Dave A

How about some Woofer's? Probably not MDF though.

Might not be a bad neighborhood. I went through a spell of people who would email me all the time with offers to send their "freight agent" which would be a real company and he would send a money order ahead of time or with the freight guy. Speakers leave and then the money order is cancelled and you owe on the deficiency balance if you had spent the money and be out speakers as a special bonus. That mess finally stopped and I think it might be because I turned them all in to Craigslist for fraud.

https://www.2luxury2.com/owners-of-smart-speakers-are-different-from-those-who-dont-own-one/ "The survey of over 1,000 U.S. consumers showed that 76 percent of smart speaker owners increased their use of voice assistants in the last year. The increasing collaborations with smart ecosystem providers is propelling the demand for new products in this segment in the global market." When no one else believes you there is a speaker for that

Don't forget they make great coasters to for all those you know with sweaty cold drinks at parties also. I painted a set of La Scalas black one time and put them outside next to the deck. It sounded good and the top hat was a great solar warmer for buns and cooked burgers.

I was going to comment but it's just not worth it.

When I was considering building that is exactly what I would have used for the outside and 3/4" for the doghouse. The Baltic Birch available from my supplier is guaranteed void free and you might pay extra for that but you cant beat the rigidity and strength. After the S-MWM build I am going to build a set of KPT-456's out of 1" Baltic for myself. They will be passed down to my children who will have them for many years too. Lots of old Baltic Birch built speakers still around but somehow I don't think the average life of MDF will ever be close.

Well yes but how do they intend to make money, a printing press? It is a calculated risk as to how cheaply you can make something and still have buyers. It is why a large number of people like me refuse to buy CNC anything from China because too many corners are cut reducing the value of the product. The only way this works is for all companies to do the same quality reduction so the buyer theoretically has no where else to go to beat the general deterioration of the products quality. It is a complete mystery to me why so many are willing to accept shoddy work and quality today. I have been asked to go to some expensive houses around Nashville for architectural metalwork. Big and expensive and the workmanship is appalling. Sad thing is these people are oblivious to inferior work. The nice houses from years ago have nice work in them in general. When I look at something I also consider the quality of the whole and not just the part being promoted while the deficiencies are swept under the carpet. No I am not saying Klipsch makes shoddy looking stuff before you put words in my mouth. The new speakers are beautiful but they are also MDF (just like everyone else's). And just like all the rest they depend on customers who have become complacent and willing to accept less while paying more. I build things and have done so since 1981. I see more than many who do not build and have no concept of why certain things are essential parts of quality builds. The bean counters may be right that consumers are growing less able to see quality and probably don't care so why shouldn't they make things out of cheaper goods? This whole debate over clearly inferior material and the defense of it by some who do not build things nor see why it is bad is indicative that the bean counters are probably right with the calculated risk inferior material usage can bring costing them customers. In the mean time I will build mine from good lumber and can see why so many pro's in Nashville go the custom build route. I know good quality means what you can see and hear and also what you can't see hidden away inside where you can't readily see it. I am amused by the straw man comment on the La Scala builds. Absolutely no information on what specifically was used to arrive at that conclusion. They compared what? Who knows.

You can't beat an all horn setup and the bigger the better. The LSI's I had with a recapped AA crossover with the Zeners pulled out of circuit, a set of small MAHL tweeters with DE120 drivers and a pair of soldered lug K-55-V's were awesome. You could feel the music if you were brave enough to turn them up. The all horn idea is what led me to try the MCM 1900 and is what is leading me to the Super MWM + 402 setup. People told me all horns were the way to go and hearing made me a believer. Cory had a set of Jubes I was able to hear and they are also really good. I love pipe organ music and the La Scalas didn't go low enough for that or I might have just stayed with that LSI set. The only compromise I would make today for my personal set of speakers would be for something at least KPT-456 quality and up. Those dual 15" woofers in that bin are not as crisp a bass as the La Scalas but man they do have authority. Otherwise it is pure horns all the way.

My very first Klipsch was two sets of La Scalas I picked up next to Orlando. One AA and one AL and I was doomed from then on. Sold them off when I got a one piece fiberglass with trim set of LSI's. Little did I know it was an incurable condition I had acquired.

Ha Ha I am a little slow I guess. Took me bit to realize you had actually started a thread on this.

Absolute truth.

"Objectivist and Subjectivist"🤣. This is better than the "Onion" OD. I like my bagels with Habenero jelly. Generally I just splash a hint of microwave on them and go. But to make it relevant it is the sound of bursting molecules as they rotate I enjoy the most. The hot spots as they circle produce the most sound and you can even pick out where they come from if you stand in the sweet spot. I also like fancy knobs on my microwave and I love to play with them.

Dave if you go back and read the thread it was this OP's comment that introduced MDF into this thread so ask him why he did it. But you are right this is getting tedious.

Well THIS reply will make Dave crawl back in his hole, hmmph!! Love Klipsch the sound and disagree with construction material only. Have a pair of Chorus I's here in the shop right now that are stellar along with some Forte II's, and also a lot of train terminal stuff like KPT-456's, KP-201 and 115 and 250's and MCM 1900. But then you would not know how much I like Klipsch because you do not have an inquiring mind. Every time I have had other brands of speakers I am disappointed. Happy for you that you stepped up to Klipsch finally but your ego has run away with your mind and both are lost together in elitist audio land. OK troll effort rating for trying to manipulate what I say about Klipsch construction material like I am singling them out. I talk bad about anyone who uses MDF because it is crap and don't single out any particular company. If all speaker companies use MDF then all of them suffer from beancounteritis. So what do you think about using a Xilica 4080 with my Super MWM's + K-402 horns? Think I should just do a KPT-942 set up instead? Or should I go buy shiny knob stuff and stick with the next set of Cornwalls I get in?

Well wire cloth offers more open area than most perforated metal does and being round I have to wonder if it would not be more neutral in interfering with the sound. SS wire cloth is forever and will never tarnish rip or otherwise change it's appearance.

As in flexible? I wondered what it was because it shows the same bend types as actual made from wire cloth. I have some here with a 1/2 inch pattern and have wondered what it would look like as grille material.

I wonder Jason what the vibrational fatigue limit is on MDF before it starts to crumble.

Its a shame that the new Heritage series does not offer Baltic Birch construction as an option. I would think it would cost less to build and it satisfied many Klipsch customers for decades. It would cost $72 dollars for two 18mm 60" x 60" sheets of Baltic and $46 dollars for one sheet of 25mm baltic. Cornwall's are how much for a new set? Pure penny pinching at it's finest. Now I would imagine Klipsch pays far less for material by the truckload. These are my prices for this quantity from Mid Tenn Lumber.

Ha Ha he brought out the brochure again Dean. Boy that will show YOU who is boss.

Well??

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You got that right. I have to deal with stripped out holes all the time in that junk. He can't hear you unless you agree with him.

Yes.

MDF is a better product because you like it not that you have ever built anything with it nor understand the structural deficiencies it has. Stiff and brittle subject to failure with shock or minor water exposure and because penny pinching people build expensive speakers from it you think that validates it. So I see your same old if they were constantly moved arguments surface again. Please observe the attached pictures for home use never exposed to the potential for damage superior MDF because everyone is doing it speakers. Dropped one time. Any questions? Superiority of material comments?

If she is asking that I am not doing my job.