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  1. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    Though it would be hard to find KI-396's to audition, I would strongly urge you to do so before choosing them over the Cornwalls. Though the CW III's aren't exactly full-range speakers, the KI-396's don't even come close. They are reasonably linear (+/- 3db) only to like 60 hz. They extend deeper than this but aren't very linear (to 35hz but +/- 10db). This is pretty good for a 2-way design. But for use with rock or jazz I would think they'd require a subwoofer. These speakers strike me as being intended more for PA and small theater applications than they are for audiophiles. The engineering priority was more about brute power and durability than refinement. So make sure this is your priority too. Keep in mind that unless your listening room is the size of a banquet hall and you plan on sitting 40 feet from your speakers, the CW's can also play loud enough, without distorting, to destroy your hearing w/ less than 10 watts. Also, note that the 396's have an MDF front baffle (motorboard). This wouldn't bother me at all but there are some here who think MDF is incompatible w/ quality speakers.
  2. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    I own CW III's and love them. ..I couldn't fathom modifying them in any way. I haven't heard earlier versions of CW's in years and never in the same listening environment as my CW III's
  3. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    This is such a gross generalization I don't know where to begin. You seem to have an ax to grind for successful companies. So you provide on example of a poorly run company and extrapolate from it that all companies run by CPA or MBA's are somehow out of touch with their customers and discount the importance of a quality product. ..I know several CPA's and MBA's and they are every bit as conscientious about these things as, say, an engineer or market analyst. If a Board of Directors approves a CPA or MBA as COO of a company and he or she does a terrible job then the Board chose the wrong person, that's all. Good lord, I would think the shareholders of MOST companies would want/ expect that a chief operation officer has an MBA. ..Probably half or more of successful large companies are run by someone with at least an MBA
  4. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    So bean counters have stood in the way of every speaker sounding it's best except, not surprisingly, yours. Besides, I wouldn't be so quick to denigrate bean counters (ie., managerial accountants). They are every bit as essential to keeping Klipsch in business as are engineers and product planners. That is true today and was true when your speakers were built.
  5. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    I think we're past the point of changing any minds here and are well into navel-gazing territory. Still, I can't help but reply to the above. Your comparison is utterly nonsensical. Because one material may be better for a house doesn't mean it's better for a speaker. Have you been reading the posts above yours? You seem to be ignoring the convincing arguments for why MDF is better for speakers: less resonant, far more consistent from one sheet to the next, easier to router/ mill, etc... etc.. You and Dave seem convinced it's the "bean counters" fault. I find that hard to believe. I seriously doubt Richard Vandersteen choses MDF over Birch plywood for his $40,000 speakers because it reduces construction costs by $75. ..Besides, isn't MDF much heavier? Wouldn't that mean the small savings in construction costs are negated by the greater expensive of shipping them out dealers? More likely, plywood is a pain in the butt to work with (ever try routing plywood?) and each sheet is different from the next. Even with my limited carpentry experience I have seen plywood sheets with warps, and inconsistencies in thickness and density. ...Not a good thing if you want each product rolling off the assembly line to be the same, etc...
  6. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    The above Wilson Audio video seems to suggest they use a fancy form of MDF.
  7. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    Dave I'm not trying to harsh you. But your suggestion that people who buy speakers made from MDF have basically been suckered deserves a pointed reply. To my knowledge, pretty much EVERY wood speaker these days (Harbeth being the only exception I know of) is made from MDF. ..Are they all junk??
  8. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    IMHO, the great thing about Klipsch speakers is that they are easy to drive and therefore don't need anything beyond an affordable integrated amp or A/V receiver. So, IMHO, buying inexpensive electronics allows you to spend more on what accounts for 99% of the sound - the speakers. A well treated used pair of CW1's and a 40+ watt A/V receiver would make for an awesome sounding and awesomely affordable system. I can't think of any hobby where the law of diminishing returns is more apparent than audio.
  9. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    I did see the comment about difficulty in repairing. But why should this be such a huge consideration for either the manufacturer or consumer? I mean, who the heck is exposing their multi-thousand $$ speakers to water?? I listed all of my speakers over the last 30 years and not ONE of them ever needed to have the cabinet fixed. In fact, I don't know anyone who has had to have a cabinet repaired. So why make ease of cabinet repair a priority? And you suggest their use of MDF is b/c "they're getting cheap on their customers." Well, I tend to believe the reasons offered by Richard Vandersteen: MDF is more consistent, easier to route/shape, less resonant, more stable, etc...
  10. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    And what about all the brands I have owned (and pretty much EVERY brand in existence these days) that use MDF w/out speakers falling apart or screws coming loose. ..So then, how exactly is it inferior? Interestingly, back when I owned Vandersteen 3A Sigs Richard Vandersteen promoted his use of MDF as being ideal b/c it's more consistent from sheet to sheet, fewer voids, less resonant, and easier to router. Not saying he's right on those counts but they seem to make as much sense as your gripes to the contrary.
  11. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    okay, so it seems you're saying the MDF used is high grade and engineered for stability and consistency. ..A far cry from the "particle board" derision some have used to describe it. Again, every speaker I've every owned was made from MDF and have never had a problem w/ cabinet integrity or screws staying put. .
  12. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    I know Klipsch states that the Cornwall is made w/ MDF, but looking at this picture of a Cornwall III being built, I'm not sure what it's made of. ..I doesn't look like typical MDF. ..And look in the background at the cabinets on the table behind her..
  13. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    Why the problem w/ MDF?? Every speaker I've ever owned - Polk Audio 5jrs, Spica TC-50's, PSB Stratus Minis, Vandersteen 3A Sigs, Paradigm S8 sig v2's, and now my Cornwall III's - have been made w/ MDF and I've never had any issues with them. I keep them well away from water and don't mess with the screws.
  14. ODS123

    Best Cornwall....?

    Find a dealer with Cornwall III's on display and listen for yourself. It's predictable, btw, that anyone who has ver 1 will say it's the best, those w/ ver 2 will say same and so on. ..I think you just need to listen for yourself. ..And for the love of god, don't buy new then start customizing. ..I think it's ridiculous for people to think they can out-think all the engineers who had every tool available to them when designing a speaker and spec'ing parts. Not only do you void the warranty, you also ruin their resale should you one day have to sell them.
  15. Exactly... I absolutely love my Cornwall III's and do not find either mid or tweeter horn to be deficient in any way. ..But if you do, then buy a different speaker. ..Lord knows there's hundreds to chose from. I can understand swapping out components in a speaker that's out of production. But the idea that one could improve on a current design is something I can't quite fathom. The designer who chose the drivers for the CWIII had the benefit of lots of testing equipment, an anechoic chamber, blinded listening trials, etc. By comparison, what does the tweaker have or know that the designer did not as they embark on deconstructing what is a proven and successful design?s I would guess that the chances of screwing things up is far greater than actually improving it's performance.
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