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  1. Real data, perhaps, but relevant? Are these changes audible when the listener is not aware of which he/she is hearing?? That is the question that matters (IMHO). Again, ANYONE can test the audibility of break-in by simply playing one of their new speakers for 1-2 days, push it next to the other - then switch b/w the two while playing mono music.
  2. So you have NO interest in distinguishing REAL audible differences from those created by expectation bias? Well, you and I could not be more different in that regard. My wife and I have a combined 30 years in the pharma industry. Thankfully, there is an entire paradigm for separating real from imagined efficacy differences b/w medications seeking FDA approval. Some would find it surprising that something like 30% of patients who take a placebo experience a significant reduction in pain after experiencing a strain/sprain or contusion. No harm, no foul if the placebo is cheap and safe. ...But in the audio world, the parallel could be spending thousands of dollars on a DAC that is indistinguishable from a $50 one from parts express.
  3. Audiophiles consider themselves to be connoisseurs who possess elevated hearing skills that allow them to hear differences between..... break-in periods that extend beyond minutes into hours (perhaps hundreds!); amplifiers that measure the same (be they S/S or Tube) tone controls that are bypassed interconnects power-cords speaker cables; DACs/ CD-Players; Bit rates and lossy compression.... IMHO, the truth is that all of these combined will not add up to even 5% of how your system sounds. How a system sounds is >95% about room setup, room treatments, and speaker selection. ..Unfortunately, this doesn't leave enough for audiophiles to bicker about or for the audio industry to profit from, so these nonsensical, non-scientific notions will forever be embraced. It's disappointing because this explains why so few people become audiophiles. I know people who contemplated buying nice, floor-standing speakers from an audio dealer but elected to go with Sonos because the salesman started in with "..to get the best of these speakers you'll need this (expensive) amplifier, and speaker cables, and ....etc etc..." I find it interesting that we revere PWK as this no-BS revolutionary thinker.... yet, we embrace the very snake oil he detested.
  4. I wonder if "break-in" is followed in aerospace engineering? ...Do airliners come off the assembly line and pilots are told "don't expect rolll and yaw response to be immediate and linear for maybe 200-300 hours". so ridic.
  5. I'm all ears. Please explain why "worthless".
  6. Please do us this favor.... Let one of your speakers play for 24 hours, then push them together and switch b/w them using your balance control while playing a mono song. Do you hear a difference?? I've done this with 4 previous speakers (Spica TC-50s, PSB Stratus Minis, Vandersteen 3A sigs, and Paradigm S8 v2.) and was not able to hear one iota of difference b/w the speakers. ..And i have excellent hearing and a keen sense of musical nuance honed from years of playing and listening to live/unamplified acoustic music. I don't say this as a boast, but as response to the inevitable criticism of my hearing acuity. Speaker manufacturers (plus some component) know the break-in claim is nonsense but allow it to persist b/c it helps reduce the number of people who return speakers b/c they failed to live up to expectations (often set by wildly glowing reviews, on-line group-think, etc..). ...They know that if they specify a long-enough break-in time, people will simply grow accustomed to the sound of their new speakers and become resigned to keeping them. Do you really think PWK would support the idea of 200 hr breakin period?? Of course not. ..Nor did Bob Crites.
  7. More likely, disappear entirely. I suggest the OP makes his/her own speaker if that is so important. Personally, I'm satisfied that my speakers were assembled here in the US. ..Couldn't care less if some of the components that go into the speaker are foreign-sourced. ..It's a global economy. Accept it or DIY. ..Just make sure that every tool you use to do so is ALSO entirely made in the US from US-sourced parts. ..And that the car you drive to go get the parts is made entirely in the US from US-sourced parts. ..Or the trucks that deliver the parts you buy off the internet are made entirely in the US from US-sourced parts. And the computer you use to order the parts is made entirely..... etc. you get the point
  8. I love this endorsement of tone controls. ..I feel the same way. ..And I feel similarly about the glorious Mono switch. Many older records (50's, 60's) had stereo micing that bordered on comical - the singer comes entirely from the left channel, instrumental accompaniment from the right. In such cases, these recording are so much more realistic sounding and enjoyable when played back in Mono. Hence, I would recommend any modern day S/S Integrated amp that offers tone controls (or multi band eQ, like some Macs), and a mono switch. I personally don't see any advantage w/ separates. Indeed, I've had fewer hum/hiss grounding issues with my Integrated amps than with my separates over the years - probably owing to fewer cables, and common grounding. Unfortunately, there aren't many choices these days: McIntosh, Accuphase, Luxman, and Anthem are about the only brands offering Integrated amps that feature both tone and mono controls. Go to their websites, see which strikes your fancy visually, feature-set wise, price, etc.. I seriously doubt you'll hear a significant difference b/w them as they are all engineered to be linear, quiet, and produce tons of power with distorting. Audible differences b/w such amps are so small that there is considerable debate as to whether they truly exist or are merely a product of expectation bias. And if you go with new McIntosh, don't bother with tubes. McIntosh's tube amps are so linear that they are sonically indistinguishable from their S/S gear - which to my thinking is a good thing. If you don't believe me, go to a Mac retailer and ask if any of the Sales people would be willing to do a "blind-folded" comparison of their Mac S/S and Tube amps. Mac designs their Tube amps to be linear, not "euphoric" or whatever warm/fuzzy term one wants to give to intentional distortion. And no need for gobs of power. My Cornwall III's aren't as efficient as the Belles (I think) yet I can't get the wattage meters to go beyond 10 watts without inviting a visit from angry neighbors (over an acre away!). It's crazy, ridiculous, stupidly loud at that point. Way past flirting with hearing damage.
  9. Absolutely LOVE the features of this integrated! Viva La MODE, TONE, BALANCE Controls and Wattage meters! ..Sadly, these are all but gone these days.
  10. I totally agree with your surprise and disappointment. ...I have a McIntosh MA6600 which has a few more inputs and an audio-output but it is still pretty bare bones compared with the Yamaha receiver the OP pictures. And while I do LOVE the fact that McIntosh continues to include Bass/ Treble/ Balance/ and a Mono switch on all (as far as I know) Integrated Amplifiers, it's a disappointment that you have use a push/scroll know to access some of these features. ...Gone is the day when these worthwhile features - all intended to make the listening experience more customizable thus enjoyable - were accessed via dedicated single purpose switches and dials on the face of the amplifier. These days, only Accuphase and Luxman offer Integrated amps or pre-amps with these tools. And again, the idea that these features are to be avoided b/c the damage the audio signal is (IMHO) nonsense.
  11. Curious to know what problem has been solved by all of that contraption 🙂 if after all of that metal work it still does not have best-in-industry low wow and flutter and rumble then I would think all of that is a waste. Not to provoke but it looks like an exercise in over engineering
  12. A shop returning a moving coil cartridge to better than new is a big claim. Before I would buy one, I would want to first make sure that is true.
  13. Did you mention that moving coil cartridges generally have non-replaceable stylus's? ...I just bought a new turntable (Technics SL-1210GAE) and a new cartridge (AT VM760SLC). ..I considered a MC cartridge but opted for a MC instead b/c the stylus can be replaced.
  14. My gripe about new gear is the scarcity of features. The Yamaha you show has a wonderful array of features that are incredibly hard to find in new gear these days that can make listening so much more enjoyable. ..Like you, I have a McIntosh Integrated (MA6600) and I chose it b/c it has a Mono switch, Bass., and Treble Controls. Heck, even a balance control is becoming less and less common. ..And the reason often cited in audio salons is that these features force compromises to be made to the audio signal. ..This, IMHO, is completely nonsensical. Some of our most cherished analog recordings (e.g., Steely Dan) was made using mixing boards that had literally hundreds of signal breaks, sliders, trim pots, etc... ..There's no way the relatively small handful of similar signal breaks needed to incorporate Mono, Balance, Bass, and Treble into an integrated amplifier is doing any audible damage. ..But the narrative lets gear companies of the hook for including them.
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