Dave A
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33 minutes ago, ODS123 said:
Not everything... Just modern day amplifiers, cd-players and cables. Audible differences b/w speakers are definitely audible.
And how about PWK? Where do you think he'd stand on this??
OK I went back to the original OD comment and quoted it correctly this time.
18 minutes ago, Dave A said:Can't help myself. He would say the BS button was started with people like you in mind. So you channel PWK in your seances now?
How about this version Jason?
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Fixed again for Jason and the third time below is the charm.
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Fixed for Jason
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Soldered lug K-55-V's and the best ones ever.
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On 12/23/2018 at 11:52 PM, MetropolisLakeOutfitters said:
I mean, I'm not trying to be smart but that's kind of the dealer's job, it just comes with the territory, he's supposed to buy speakers for people to demo. If a dealer wants to have demo speakers on hand, they'll find a way to make it happen. I don't see any reason to subsidize inventory myself.
I know this is how it is currently set up and if they help one they need to help them all.
I have a set of Chorus I's in my shop right now. In the original shipping box from the only owner since new and he bought them at Hi Fi Buys in Nashville in 1990. Today the best speakers at Hi Fi Buys are these truly execrable B&W things. I believe if good Klipsch was put side by side there Klipsch would outsell B&W hands down. So the premier audiophile store in Nashville does not have even one Klipsch speaker to hear. I would like to know what incentives they were offered to carry inferior gear by the OEM. It is hard to buy something you can't hear without a large trip being involved for many.
My guess is that B&W made Hi Fi Buys an offer which includes some stock at very heavy discount or show room stock provided or larger profit margins. They had to do something Klipsch was unwilling to do and so Klipsch loses a city to the competition because they did not show up.
Hey Cory how come your Jubes don't show up in your stock picture? Those are awesome speakers and the best ones there when I came to listen.
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Playing off phone and tablets is not a good source and any demo jock showing you that is selling to convenience oriented smart phone users not audiophiles. I sell vintage Klipsch and shudder every time someone comes over and wants to use their iPhone as a source. I let them do it and then say OK now we do it my way and the look on their faces is always funny. Half of them go home, and I always follow up to see how things are going, and tell me it does not sound as nice as it did in my shop. Using the iPhone again? The ones not happy sheepishly say yes and when they stop doing that and feed the speakers the right way all is well.
You ran into two places that do not have a clue is the problem. Ask on the forum and see if there is anyone close by to you who has gear like you want and go listen to things set up correctly.
I have been to Best Buys Cool Springs in Nashville and it was all twenty some aged bored sales clerks who could not answer anything I asked about the meager line of Klipsch gear in the store that day. Sadly good Klipsch dealers seem to be few in number.
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1 hour ago, Tizman said:
I'm thinking I'm going to abandon ship on this thread. There's enough good signal among the noise to dissuade anyone new to the hobby from taking the noise seriously. Here are my Cole's Notes:
1. The original test that the OP referred to is flawed in numerous ways, and not to be taken as gospel.
2. MDF vs BB ply? I prefer the BB, but I'm not going to kick a set of La Scala II or Cornwall III out of bed for eating crackers. Also, I would still buy MDF speakers if I liked them, and have in the past, but I don't want to use MDF for DIY.
3. Start with a set of sensitive and, preferably, horn based speakers that don't require 400 Watts a channel to power properly. The more horns, and the least direct radiator speakers, the better. A nice set of Klipsch speakers, of at least 95 DB/W/M sensitivity (more is always better), is my recommendation for anyone starting up.
4. Make up your own mind about what amp and front end you prefer, but starting with the speakers recommended in point 3 will allow you to choose almost any amplifier and get good dynamics and volume. This includes my personal favourite, a SET tube amplifier. A pair of 85 DB/W/M DR speakers, on the other hand, will severely limit your choices.
That's it. I'm going to keep my eye on this thread, but unless something really annoying/ludicrous comes up, I'm not going to post anymore. Time to work on the two amps, crossover and two way horn set I have going.
Have a Happy New Year!
I think so too. This thread just needs to end although it has been amusing at times. Happy New years everyone.
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4 hours ago, wvu80 said:
Oh, I know. It just caught my funny bone the way all us "regulars" have our own language.
It also tickles my funny bone that this post was kind of a "heads up" to newbies not to put too much credibility in how much a speaker costs when picking out good sound and the thread has deteriorated between knowledgeable posters about the merits of one building material over another, as if ANY new user would give a crap.
That's not a shot at anybody who has weighed in on the subject. It's just that as a group we men are such right fighters! We can't help it, it's just our nature. 🤓
Gosh Dave and here you go picking on us all. Must be the chromosome thing eh ;D
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Emile if this continues you might need to get an intervention going and join Audioholics Anonymous.
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On 12/24/2018 at 8:41 PM, Oicu812 said:
The thin sound was caused by AV8802A setup and bad cables.
Glad you found the problem. I have had 9 sets of those bass bins now and anemic is not a word I could ever use describing them. I can take the same wattage that makes a Forte II sound good and switch them over to a set of KPT-456's and the volume increases dramatically. A 200 watt per channel amp is more than enough for me and I rarely even get past half way on volume. Those are life time keeper speakers when you get them set up right.
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1 hour ago, pzannucci said:
Fantastic summary. Stick around for more (or possibly not as you said).
This isn't too bad yet.
Add to it
"mine is better than yours"
"No it isn't better"
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16 hours ago, ODS123 said:
Dave.. You haven't answered my question. Why come to a Klipsch sponsored (and paid for) User Forum and essentially trash every speaker they make except the line you happen to own?
Sorry OD for neglecting this. I though you were making leading comments to try and cause trouble or obfuscate what I believe in. I had no idea you were serious
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3 hours ago, Wolfbane said:
that does not stop me from looking for deeper Nirvana.
Indeed how true. I am hoping to be close enough in a month to not hunger for more. But if things never got any better I could live with a smile on my face for a lifetime.
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Never been to Vegas but I know fraud has reached out to me in rural Tennessee.
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As Dean says on the capacitors.
I just got in 4 Kp-101's which are right at the age of the KLF's you have. Every capacitor in all four but one measured at least .3 ESR although the capacitance was in tolerance. First thing I did was replace them all for an immediate more musical sound. Sometimes I like Ti sometimes I don't and since the crossovers all get rebuilt I have to suspect some horn lenses and drivers get shrill with Ti while others don't seem to act that way. If it is a speaker problem my experience has been the only cure for shrill has at times been to replace the tweeter. I also like those old phenolic diaphragms too. Mid range has not been the shrill culprit for what I have had here.
1 hour ago, Deang said:The problem is your rock and metal recordings, not the speaker.
As Dean also says above. I just swapped a music library with a guy who had a TON of albums in there and the total file size per album was typically 70 to 80mb. None of them played well and all have to be redone through Audacity the editing program to be OK. Some seem to be hopeless and I don't know what his source was but I would have quickly looked elsewhere. Look up "Audacity" on the forums and Chris A has excellent information on this.
I tell people to bring their music here when they come to buy speakers so they have a reference point they can relate to. Then I take their files and run it through Audacity and normally they are 44kbs. I jump that up to 96 or 192kbs and go to effects and normalize it with the settings to "0" and export the file with the highest settings which are level 8 and 24 bit. 3/4ths or more of the music just comes alive and it is funny to see the look on their faces. Audacity is a free program and is the #1 cheapest way to improve your sound and find out if your file is even worth keeping. #2 is capacitors which I always do now before I seriously fire them up since nothing that old has measured well here in dozens of sets of speakers. #3 replace the tweeter diaphragm gives improvement normally but replacing the tweeter always does. My experience for what it is worth.
Westcoast also makes good points. Many think crossing your speakers to focus just before or after your sweet spot seat is best and then there is another thought about this and see the attachment. Also "RF-7 III...Trying to achieve better off-center imaging" search for that thread. Good sound is the sum of more than one part.
When you get into more musical speakers they reveal the ugly just as well as the pretty except unlike cheesy speakers they make the ugly sound really ugly.
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Yes I bet they bark back at you.
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While I could not find exact construction details I feel that for tonal quality and superior strength it is certain MDF was in use here. All the best speaker makers have gone to it.
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13 hours ago, windashine said:
. in what some beginner's may consider over mdf… or is it mfd... or sawdust … or pnoe moon beam's ?... or
How about some Woofer's? Probably not MDF though.
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Might not be a bad neighborhood. I went through a spell of people who would email me all the time with offers to send their "freight agent" which would be a real company and he would send a money order ahead of time or with the freight guy. Speakers leave and then the money order is cancelled and you owe on the deficiency balance if you had spent the money and be out speakers as a special bonus. That mess finally stopped and I think it might be because I turned them all in to Craigslist for fraud.
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https://www.2luxury2.com/owners-of-smart-speakers-are-different-from-those-who-dont-own-one/
"The survey of over 1,000 U.S. consumers showed that 76 percent of smart speaker owners increased their use of voice assistants in the last year. The increasing collaborations with smart ecosystem providers is propelling the demand for new products in this segment in the global market."
When no one else believes you there is a speaker for that
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10 minutes ago, Wolfbane said:
Not to mention the significant number of women in the world that think Klipsch built these to hold their plants to be admired at eye-level.
Don't forget they make great coasters to for all those you know with sweaty cold drinks at parties also.
20 minutes ago, jimjimbo said:I leave mine out year round. No tarps, no nothin'......adds character and that special "patina".....
I painted a set of La Scalas black one time and put them outside next to the deck. It sounded good and the top hat was a great solar warmer for buns and cooked burgers.
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I was going to comment but it's just not worth it.
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1 minute ago, Marvel said:
I belive someone on here got a pair of LSII prototypes that were made from one inch BB. I'm sure others remember seeing them. They would certainly be solid.
Bruce
When I was considering building that is exactly what I would have used for the outside and 3/4" for the doghouse. The Baltic Birch available from my supplier is guaranteed void free and you might pay extra for that but you cant beat the rigidity and strength. After the S-MWM build I am going to build a set of KPT-456's out of 1" Baltic for myself. They will be passed down to my children who will have them for many years too. Lots of old Baltic Birch built speakers still around but somehow I don't think the average life of MDF will ever be close.
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33 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
I think that is a very valid point. Klipsch is not in the business of making speakers, it's in the business of making money.
Well yes but how do they intend to make money, a printing press? It is a calculated risk as to how cheaply you can make something and still have buyers. It is why a large number of people like me refuse to buy CNC anything from China because too many corners are cut reducing the value of the product. The only way this works is for all companies to do the same quality reduction so the buyer theoretically has no where else to go to beat the general deterioration of the products quality. It is a complete mystery to me why so many are willing to accept shoddy work and quality today. I have been asked to go to some expensive houses around Nashville for architectural metalwork. Big and expensive and the workmanship is appalling. Sad thing is these people are oblivious to inferior work. The nice houses from years ago have nice work in them in general. When I look at something I also consider the quality of the whole and not just the part being promoted while the deficiencies are swept under the carpet.
No I am not saying Klipsch makes shoddy looking stuff before you put words in my mouth. The new speakers are beautiful but they are also MDF (just like everyone else's). And just like all the rest they depend on customers who have become complacent and willing to accept less while paying more. I build things and have done so since 1981. I see more than many who do not build and have no concept of why certain things are essential parts of quality builds. The bean counters may be right that consumers are growing less able to see quality and probably don't care so why shouldn't they make things out of cheaper goods? This whole debate over clearly inferior material and the defense of it by some who do not build things nor see why it is bad is indicative that the bean counters are probably right with the calculated risk inferior material usage can bring costing them customers.
In the mean time I will build mine from good lumber and can see why so many pro's in Nashville go the custom build route. I know good quality means what you can see and hear and also what you can't see hidden away inside where you can't readily see it.
I am amused by the straw man comment on the La Scala builds. Absolutely no information on what specifically was used to arrive at that conclusion. They compared what? Who knows.
Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club
in General Klipsch Info
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NPC stuck on replay Dean.