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I find the idea of bringing things to play with built and or altered by Klipsch heads to be quite an interesting idea. After seeing my first Pilgrimage though I have to say the venue there is too small and crowded to allow for a leisurely stroll through lots of gear just to see what they sound like or play swap and shop. Plus you have to stand there and keep the hands of heavy drinkers off your gear from what I could see with Kevin's setup. I have to admit I was kind of disappointed about not bringing the Super MWM's because I wanted to see the look on peoples faces when they were fired up.
Truthfully a gathering of tinkerers and builders with their creations is of far more interest to me than another tour of the factory, the theater and the PWK house. How big is the hall and what are the conditions associated with it's use?
I will attend if this event happens. I have racks of electronics and I would love a chance to swap and shop with Klipsch Heads. By then I will have what I hope is a prodigious three way system and might have a set of 415's with K 402's on top. I like subtle production of sound.
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Asked for clarification on the Teleportation Tweak and got this reply back.
" Without giving away any secrets I can tell you the following.
1. There is no limit to the distance the TT will work. It would almost certainly work on Mars or the Moon is there were any audiophiles there.
2, Not only does the customer’s system not have to be ON at the time the TT is performed but the caller doesn’t have to be home. In fact, he can be calling from another city or country or from an aircraft.
3.The caller will find his reception has improved a couple of bars after the TT has been performed
4. If the customer’s system is ON and playing music at the time I do the TT I can instantly hear the improvement over the phone as I’m doing it.
5.The customer is free to listen to the TT or not. Some choose not to listen. 😬
6. The TT is permanent until the customer replaces the phone. In which case the TT must be done on the new phone.
7. For best results all phones in the house should get the TT. " -
OH they still play football? No TV for about 8 years now. I will however have a playoff today between Cello and Pipe Organ.
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9 hours ago, geoff. said:
I was wondering if anyone had pulled a woofer out of the CW4 yet to see how it was braced!
Also curious if the “shelf” port has been completely replaced by the tractrix ports...
The diagonal pattern to the two sets of two screws on the motorboard indicates some 2 x ? braces front to back at the 10:00 and 2:00 as mentioned above. You don't have to get into one to see what was done. Eventually when someone does this that will be the report they make I am certain. I see the exact same thing with pro bass boxes that I have been into so there is no doubt or question in my mind.
Yes the shelf is gone.
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3 hours ago, mikebse2a3 said:
Definitly improved mid- horn but the mitigation of the box resonance coloration versus previous versions is a game changer IMHO which brings forth a clarity and detail in recordings thats very obvious.
miketn
Darned right it is. There were two front to back braces I could see figuring the screw heads at the 10:00 and 2:00 o'clock positions were braces. Ended my number 1 boomy box complaint I have had until CW4.
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10 hours ago, Coytee said:
I see what you're doing there!
How a about Richmond VA??
Delayed reaction Coytee?
10 hours ago, Coytee said:Disclosure: I've never heard the LaScala AL5 (or whatever the newest rendition is)
I've owned LaScalas since 1979.
So we have the pair I've owned since 1979. We have the new LaScala II and now, we have the newest AL5 (or again, whatever designation it has)
Is the LaScala II better than my original? 100% yes.... but it's still a LaScala.
You're getting a speaker that has some nuanced upgrades to improve it in some subtle and some obvious ways but.... it's still built on a LaScala chassis.
Same logic with the newest version..... it's still built on a LaScala II chassis...
In the world of Klipsch, if you want to step up in sound, you generally have to go with a larger speaker (so yeah, the MWM's are Jubilee stompers!!!)
Precisely this, the latest La Scala is still a La Scala and has the limits a small bass bin produces. I have fond memories of La Scalas as they were what I first owned from Klipsch and they were awesome to me at the time. The latest La Scala I have listened to and of the Heresy, Forte, Cornwall and La Scala we heard in Hope recently the LS was the least improved. There is a legacy sound there many like and you change the bass bin it goes away. As a matter of personal preference I prefer other things now. As an aside here I made some LSI type bass bins that were just three inches deeper and it stopped almost all of that resonance at certain frequencies. I wonder if Klipsch will ever alter the bass bin at some point in time.
HEY Coytee the S-MWM's are MWM stompers and if you are ever over here you are welcome to stop in and grin.
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We have all been seeking audio nirvana in unproductive ways. Here is someone who can show you what can be done.
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8 hours ago, Marvel said:
Click on one of the pics in the middle of the page and you can scroll through his system pics, crossovers, and so on. Don't click on the yellow box that says "Some Pics" and that just takes you to Google.
Bruce
OK I will look. Thanks for the tip.
50 minutes ago, HDBRbuilder said:Roy ensured that his explanation of things would be readily understood by all of us, even those of us who "are not so much technically-proficient in horn designing methods" could understand what had happened. His goal with the mumps in the Cornwall mid-horn was to improve over-all dispersion, with heavier emphasis on the horizontal dispersion by those mid-horns. He explained how the testing measurements of even the exponential horn designs showed one thing on the plane curves, without telling the whole story about what was going on with the tractrix horns. So this meant that the mumps added to the Cornwall mid-horn were SPECIFIC to that particular speaker and its components in order to produce the desired results of increasing dispersion without adding in any distortion of the waves which would have occurred without the use of those mumps specific to that particular horn lens. Does this cover your question?
Roy discovered that the new tractrix mid-horn lens for the Heresy IV, OTOH, actually had no need for mumps in order to achieve a wider horizontally-heavy-weighted dispersion with minimal distortion. This is just one of the reasons why the Heresy IV and the Cornwall IV now have differing mid-horn lenses.
This was explained in both the listening room as we were exposed to the identical voicing "show", and again when we went back out into the lab where he went over his decision matrix for cross-over points in both speakers as he compared stored curves on the computer and explained how the desired "best points" for the crossover to happen was reached.
As for the decision to port the Heresy IV, he explained that numerous times, PWK had expressed a desire to do that, but never got around to it during his lifetime. So Roy decided to do it for him....simply because its time had FINALLY come...and with the tractrix porting now being possible, it could happen with minimal outside dimensional changes of the cabinet being REQUIRED to make it happen!
Numerous people have already expressed a "worry" about how the Heresy IV, with its slant riser and rear-porting, will perform in different applications at different distances away from a wall or corner at its rear. Let me just say this about the demonstration of its performance: The Heresy IV was quite a distance out from its nearest wall or corner (at least a good FOUR to SIX FEET or more!), and it was READILY APPARENT that its performance was much better in its bottom-end than ever before! Hearing is believing! So, IMHO, what will happen with it in its "ideal distance out" from a wall or corner in a home listening environment SHOULD be even MORE AMAZING than what we ACTUALLY heard!
I can say the same for the Cornwall IV being out about the same distance from its nearest corner or wall! But due to the Heresy having REAR-PORTING, I just want to emphasize this! We weren't SUPPOSED to take any pics in the lab building, so I don't personally have any showing how far out they were from the nearest corner or wall...sure wish I did! Sorry!
Excellent summary. Mumps are patent worthy. The time spent with Roy made the expense and travel worth while. The rest of it not so much.
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Say Allhartfidelity I went to your web site to see your system and there is nothing there. Whats up with that?
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11 hours ago, glens said:
"...without the DIY group here, there would be no CW4 at all" (I am assuming Glens did not say this but quoted from someone else. Perhaps he will get attribution in here to clear this up)
I have no possible way of anything but surmising that that statement is likely as far out in left field as it can get. I've only been a Klipsch fan for roughly one year, but I can readily see that they've been very busy over the last several years updating everything Heritage. The Cornwall has to have been on their list ever since they brought it back with that wimpy mid horn.
Any good technology out there gets a look at by Klipsch since audio is an evolving art. Now I say art because for instance internal baffles to stop standing waves has no modeling software so experience has to determine where you start and how you move forward. Some things are measured like output from drivers/horns but then integration has to go from there. There is nothing out there that is not based in large part on prior work from everywhere and this is true with all speaker builders. I saw Roy's sound lab and it was littered with examples of research into product improvement and I think the DIY group here might bring ideas to the table Klipsch considers but by far it is the whole industry and dedicated hobbiests world wide that have contributed to ideas that move things forward. Those mumps for instance. Simple thing when you think about it and corner treatments on horns have been done for some time but Roy took it further and made something of it. Roy also has a superb testing environment to see exactly what each thing does.
I believe the Cornwall has been undergoing research and testing for some time and yes Klipsch pays attention to the outside world for ideas but the sum total was designed and built by Klipsch. If there was no forum at all advancement would still go on.
Yes the new port has a tractix flare inside and out and it is claimed that the overall efficiency of the speaker is slightly improved. The less the drivers have to work to get to X db the les the distortion so like all the rest it all adds up.s
6 hours ago, Allhartfidelity said:Tractrix porting? No one I'm aware of. I've been keeping an eye out for sure. I've heard the port itself is some kind of ring add on. I look forward to actually seeing it, and hearing what it can do.
The tractrix mid horn, and mumps though, that's been around a long time as I'm sure you know.
I did read on the facebook Klipsch about the product demo of the New Heritage line, and I think if there that would have worth some airline miles to hear. I had no idea there was an identical voicing between the New Heritage though. Given the size of the horn in the Klipschorn/Lascala that sounds quite a feat for the Heresy. Meaning similar tone but not output?
I dont really understand all the xover stuff, I just install what my wallet provides and see if I like it. Sounds like I might be pissing up a rope modifying my CW 1. But, it's a bit less expensive, and they will voice well with my Belle.
I'm leaving the Khorn stock accept the xover.
Perhaps in time the New Heritage line will be complete. For now there seems to be only 1 missing from the new production. Come to think of it, it's the only one without a version 2 even? The Belle?
The process of research and elimination at Klipsch is not try this and see if it works if they are lucky. It can easily take years to make the final determinations and juggle that with how many ongoing projects at the same time. I think I have one of Roy's first examples of traxtix horn and if I am correct it was the 506 on the KPT-456's and that goes back some years so Roy has been a proponent of them for some time. The Mumps are new corner treatments which is why Klipsch was granted a patent just like they were with the K-402. If they did not provably do something different then the patent would not have been granted.
I like to build stuff too but I don't for one second think I do more than just dabble compared to people like Roy who design with standards in mind and accountant restrictions on quality of ingredients allowed and must come up with superb sound for dozens of speakers.
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How about three of them. It was a progression and each was an eye opener to dramatically better audio. First was the KPT-456's. Huge sound stage and presence. Then I lucked into a set of MCM 1900's and it was a big leap up but lacked some deeper bass I had with the 456's. Really fine speakers though and the powerful clear MWM's made the bass they produced really nice and in truth was deep enough for most all my music but the 456's had teased me with deeper pipe organ notes. This led to the Super MWMs which fulfilled all my needs. I had gone through many pro boxes and everything but KHorns and Belles here and many were nice but the three that made my audio world change were the ones I mentioned above. Each one when I finally had them set up right was a revelation. I have some 415 bass bins coming in soon and I might try those 402's on them for the heck of it.
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I never grow tired of reading the various ways the audio gullible are parted from their money by inventive minds.
How ever I still want to know whats under the tar and now I want to know what secret audio principle is being revealed here.
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You are from Detroit so you know Hoffa is in a NJ land fill.
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Whats buried under the tar?
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Hey Carl, wasn't this the thread that was going to get the breathalyzer?
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I heard a set of them in Hope a few weeks ago in Roy's sound room. They were pretty remarkable and up until now I could care less about Cornwalls. The CW4 had none of that boomy box sound I so dislike and was very musical. They had the latest Heresy, Forte, La Scala and Cornwall there and my favorite by far was the CW4. If I remember right you have a CW of some sort and unless you did some serious mods to it up to and including cutting the motorboard for a better mid horn there is no way you could ever make the old stuff sound as good as this CW4.
Everything was balanced appropriately to me and every component was well match to all the others. I saw two sets of two screws on the front which I assume means they have finally run braces front to back and it killed the boomy box completely. While the LS was more efficient the CW4 was far more musical than the LS for my tastes. I could be OK with a set of these as my daily listeners if space was an issue. Although I have to say all that pro gear you just got rid of would skunk these. You really have to stop making a career out of speaker of the week you know.
Sadly it is MDF + veneer so no where near as durable as all that pro gear you gave up. What really are you looking for anyway?
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38 minutes ago, DizRotus said:
Thanks for the waning. When I go to audition speakers I come prepared to play them. I never rely on the seller.
True and I have a little amp I can run off my van power point if need be. It never got that far though as I tuned out when he told me how many of these he had handled before implying I did not know what a deal these were. Forgot to mention those K-55-M's were in there too.
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OK I have seen these about 7 months ago. I have no idea when that picture was taken but since then they have been poorly stored in a portable storage unit. When I went there to see them they were sitting in his driveway ON THE DIRT and no way to play them. AL crossovers and dirty filthy with water damage on the grilles. You go there and waste your time don't say you were not warned. I would not let this dude sell me anything and I left there commenting to him I would not believe a word he said. Total waste of a 200 mile round trip.
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3 hours ago, dtel said:
Just normal oxygen free #14wire, no long runs.......just another opinion......
Connectors/terminal ends I don't bother with, it's not like I am going to change out things often, bare wires are a single connection, nothing in between.
I know wire type can probably make a difference in sound, but to me there re so many other variables in reproducing music I am not really concerned with better wires. I say this because source alone can range dramatically, not even counting electronics and speakers.
Amen brother. There are so many things of greater import to fiddle with. One of my favorites are people with bad music files trying to make electrical or new super duper equipment correct the problem. I know what I have in my shop and see the looks on the faces of first time listeners and it all went through that lovely zip cord. Speaker wire is the last thing I worry about other than guage although the connections at the ends do matter. If I can I use fork end crimp connectors on typical Klipsch inputs and they wont come loose until I make it so. Most of those screw in end banana plugs work loose for no evident reason and if you don't catch it will give you problems.
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5 hours ago, dtel said:
You just need to be very careful doing that, a friend did that with some Mexican dish he was cooking and now everything he plays to has a slight mariachi sound.
I boiled a set in Carolina Reapers one day when making hot sauce and it kept burning my speakers up.
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7 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
Super Tweeter.
No it's a coffee maker, you can't fool me!
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2 hours ago, MechEngVic said:
I LIKE THEM!!! I love anything horn...
Hmmm, I bet they will sell you some and report back to us when you get them:D
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34 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
Looks like phase aligned horns to me. I heard the Sadurni Horns about 5 years ago, and they brought tears to my eyes. It was the best $40,000 speaker setup I ever heard. Looks can be deceving when the laws of physics are followed, first and foremost.
OK whats that tube thing in the middle, a phase aligned espresso unit?
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Power could be a problem too.