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My RSW-15 gets boomy if I tuck it in the corner. It lessens when I give it room to breath. 18"-24 from each wall in the corner.
Since you are brainstorming, have you tossed around the idea of not putting them behind the false wall at all. Maybe on center of your side walls. Might be a lil tight walking room I'm sure, but hey, you have a dedicated room for tinkering =+)
BTW, congrats on tracking down 2 maple RSW-15s! Quite the journey I'm sure.
I have heard different sources suggest this as well and when I did my sub crawl test my sub landed in the middle of the room along a side wall. It has to do with putting the sub in the null of the room so it hits a nerve so to speak.
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I'd stick with the KV due to timbre match. I have the SC-20 which is the Synergy,and it pairs well with them, and the ICON series. The KG's would go good with an older KSC Center better than the newer SC or C dut to tweeter build, but neither will be as good as the KV's in my opinion.
That makes sense. I think i will stick with what I have until the proper center comes up on CL or Ebay. Its like the old saying: The man who buys the proper equipment weeps once when he pays for it. The man who buys cheap equipment weeps twice, once when he realizes its no good, and again when he has to then buy the proper equipment...
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Hey guys I am currently running my KG 5.5's as a phantom center which I am reasonably happy with. That being said, our local ads posting site has a SC-1 for the giveaway price of $40 which is very enticing. Will the SC-1 blend reasonably well with the KG 5.5's? I know the kg 2.2 V or the KV-3 are said to be more ideal but the SC-1 has a Tractrix horn similar to the KG's and goes slightly deeper despite having smaller Woofers. The SC-1 has a aluminum dome tweeter while the KV-3 has polymer like the KGs, will that cause a timber mismatch?
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So I began looking around the venue for clues to why I was missing the liveness of the performance, and then I began to see some things that I hadn't noticed before:
- The symphony sounded very quiet, especially the violins, violas, and cellos: overall I would guess the average SPL at my listening chair was in the 55-70 dB© region. I was seated about 75-100 feet from the front of the stage, slightly to the left of center looking squarely at the first violins.
- Because of that low average SPL at my listening position, it was difficult to stay focused on the performance quality, instead the tendency for me was to look around on stage at the various performers and equipment, the venue architecture, etc., the backs of other people heads while they scratched, others not paying attention to the music and looking about, etc. I compensated for these distractions by simply closing my eyes to listen as if I were at sitting in my listening chair home, and then it hit me...
That would be hilarious if you sat down at an orchestra and pulled out an SPL meter to measure the reference level for your home speakers, thats dedication right there. Great thread btw.
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Bought a Denon Avr-3801 for $35 because some guy has a rich neighbor that gave it to him and he had it sitting in his garage.
Then I lost the remote which is listed for $70 to $99 on Ebay...
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That's a funny ad.
<quote>I can't be waiting around for fools to come when they say they will then don't show. The balance will be cash only. No checks or funny NYC money stuff. I know how you guys are! Paypal is OK, but you must add 4% please.</quote>
Let's see how many times can he offend a potential buyer. BTW...isn't Paypal 3%?
Yeah but his professional paint job has...
Texture.
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Fascinating way to look at music. It makes perfect sense. This is why Arena rock bands play slow ballads and the kids listen to EDM [Electronic Dance Music] on their iPod earbuds.... cause that's the only thing that sounds good that way!...Of course, this is also why a lot of audiophiles listen to nothing but Diana Krall and Jazz quartets, because their puny little speakers can't replicate dynamics like horns can.
I have to disagree with you on the EDM. If you are ever in Denver, CO check out Beta Nightclub. It features 4 Funktion One speakers that are amazing to listen to:
I watched the Funktion-One video and thought about what they were saying--and even more on how they said it, i.e., it isn't a precise discussion (but it's accurate). The discussion suffices for the audience watching the video who largely aren't familiar with why one type of loudspeaker sounds better than another one, or at least without introducing a lot of "marketing hype" and other inaccuracies into the conversation.
Tony Andrew's and John Newsham's focus on horn-loaded loudspeakers resonates with my experience, and is congruent with others understanding the "why" of horn-loaded loudspeakers (most often I think of PWK as the continuing proponent of horn-loading). This is especially so when thinking about the Tony Andrew's comment about horn-loaded bass and interestingly about cone-driver midrange horns. Clearly the focus of that company is on live music support, especially music that is played in larger venues at high SPLs. Moving the phase plug of the midrange horn/driver out into a lower SPL region and using larger diaphragm radiating areas like the Funktion-One loudspeakers use, lowers the nonlinear effects of high SPL found in the throats of live music loudspeaker horns. This lowers harmonic distortion and I'm not sure about modulation distortion, but I'd guess that Funktion-One also uses highly linear cone drivers on their midrange horns too, to lower AM distortion effects at high SPLs.
It's also interesting to me that this company resides in the U.K. - a place where horn-loaded loudspeakers literally aren't accepted by the local "audiophile" population, rather this group represents a rather closed-thinking group that accept only the concept of direct-radiating cone loudspeakers: witness the UK audiophile's collective reverence towards the BBC series of loudspeaker studio monitors and their descendents to the exclusion of horn-loaded loudspeakers.
Funktion-One's cone-driven midrange horn with visible phase plug is clearly meant for filling professional venues with lots of sound power, and not really meant for home installs where the average SPLs are typically 10-30 dB lower--just due to smaller room sizes. This is a paradox that is discussed in Toole's book that describes how listeners in smaller spaces prefer lower SPLs than in larger venues.
This is also the first case of horn-loaded loudspeakers that I've seen where a horn-loaded loudspeaker design is specifically meant for very high average SPL performance in larger venues for those genres that demand high SPL, the message being that the hardware also evolves--to suit the venue and genre.
Chris
Thanks for the reply, once again I am humbled by the vast experience of this forum. I have listened to the flagship series from Funktion-One at beta nightclub in Denver. The main dance floor has 4 units in each corner and its by far the best sound system I have ever heard. Many top name DJ's have also commented it is their favorite venue to play at. After going to the club back in the day I finally looked more into it and watched some other Tony Andrews clips and thats part of the reason I got into Klipsch products. Supposedly when they were first calibrating the system in Denver they cranked it up too far and set off all the car alarms down the block.
Personally, I think they need to put in Dolby Atmos into the club environment with a modulator so the DJ can "place" layers of music in the 3 dimensional space of the dance floor in real time. Such as rain effects and 3d panning etc. This will bring back some of the live performance aspects of DJing which has largely been lost due to modern mixing software.
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The pair.
Hi if you dont mind me asking, where did you get the speaker fabric for those Heresies? Those look awesome.
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I'm guessing you didn't read his whole post. That little dayton sub-1200 is very much a cheapy sub. Now dayton HO drivers those are good value for sure. Just as good as my SI.Oh and also I'll tell you straight up if music is your goal, skip that cheapo Dayton sub. Not it's forte.
There are better ones, but I have used these in horn loaded (THT) enclosures. I have also used the higher output "HO" version of this Dayton in both pro horn loaded (T30) and sealed (custom auto sub) enclosures.
Though they are low cost, the construction and performance is great. They are high value in my opinion.
It all depends on the budget Scrappy.
BUT 100$ powered dayton not so much
Thanks alot for the advice. It sounds like the two Daytons are in different classes and its worth it to get the 15''. I think im going to get the driver and amp soon then I can figure out if I want a sealed or horned enclosure. If I went horned I will probably go with the f20 as it requires less woodworking skills.
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Hey guys I am in the market for a new subwoofer to go with my KG 5.5's. The room is fairly small, approx 12' by 18' and I currently have an Infinity 8'' sub that doesnt hope to keep up or match the KG's so I ended up shutting it off for music and only use it for LFE rumble for movies. Anyway, I have a limited budget and was thinking going big with the DIY route or just go with a decent used sub. Here are my options:
Used ($70-80):
New Dayton SUB-1200 12" subwoofer
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=32612424&cat=&lpid=&search=dayton%20subwoofer&ad_cid=1
DIY (Approx $270):
Plate amp
Yung 500w Plate Amplifier $100 Shipped
https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/150198-fs-yung-500w-plate-amplifier-100-shipped/
Driver
Dayton RSS390HF-4 15" SUB
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=32585969&cat=&lpid=&search=dayton%20subwoofer&ad_cid=2
Box
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/sealed-subwoofer-flatpacks/3-sub-flat-pack.html
I have heard very good things about the 12'' Dayton sub but the DIY will be a monster that wont need to be upgraded for quite some time. The question is, will the 12'' be enough bass for the foreseeable future or is it really worth getting the more expensive 15'' considering the small room? The main goal of the sub will be music.
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Fascinating way to look at music. It makes perfect sense. This is why Arena rock bands play slow ballads and the kids listen to EDM on their ipod earbuds.... cause that's the only thing that sounds good that way!
Of course, this is also why a lot of audiophiles listen to nothing but Diana Krall and Jazz quartets, because their puny little speakers can't replicate dynamics like horns can.
I have to disagree with you on the EDM music. If you are ever in Denver, CO check out Beta Nightclub. It features 4 FunktionOne speakers that are amazing to listen to:
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If we where putting it to a vote , I vote yes . if your going to be with . He will remember it forever . And that is very cool .
My Dad took me to a Grateful Dead show when I was about 7 and it was an awesome experience. I am 26 now and got to brag in College that I saw Jerry Garcia play before he died.
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One conception is that people with manual transmissions drive their car HARDER than folks with an automatic, therefore hurting the value of the car. I don't know about that one.
You are wise to be skeptical. To me, the way an automatic performs is harder on an engine due to more lugging and rpms that never get high enough compared to a well driven manual transmission paired engine. The human brain with just a little practice is far` superior to an auto trans when it comes to proper gear selection.
Not to mention the grin you get on your face when you nail a downshift on an off ramp or into a back road corner. With manual its more than just choosing the gears, its the experience of feeling the rpm's in the shift knob and knowing every spectrum of the engine's power band and the muscle memory of all the shift points. You eventually get to where your car in an extension of your body and thats something I believe you can never get with automatic or flappy paddle gear boxes. There have been a number of times where I avoided a serious wreck by being able to downshift in an instant and control the vehicle instead of just mashing the brakes and hoping for the best.
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I agree. I have always been disappointed in non manual transmissions. True manuals are a dying breed however.
I am still speechless that Porsche is not making any true manual gearboxes anymore. I want to DRIVE my own car, not flip a paddle and have a computer do it for me. I have a Subaru Impreza 2.5i (non-turbo) with a manual and there is nothing more fun than blasting around on dirt roads and downshifting into corners while drifting sideways.
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I am selling this amp because I dont have subs in my car anymore and I would like to get a new HT sub.
Here are the specs on it:
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/t3002
Its in great condition, if you want pics etc let me know. (Its still hooked to my car to demo for CS sale)
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He told me he took a picture of the flag being raised on the island.
my friend Mr Colley.
I thought you were going to say his name was Joe Rosenthal there for a minute.
I'm actually shocked that anybody who was there would own a Japanese car though. My grandfather's best friend was in WWII, fought the Japanese in the Philippines I believe. He HATED them and all things Japanese. He was what people nowadays would call a huge racist towards the Japanese. I doubt he would have owned a Japanese car.
My mom's brother was a prisoner of the Japanese in WW II. The horror stories of their cruelty. He escaped to the sea and watched other escapees get eaten by sharks. He was an alcoholic the rest of his life, basically ruined him. You should look up and see what they did to the Chinese.
Anyway, I designed 4 electronic modules for the Honda Accord many moons ago. It is built in Marysville, Ohio, and is one of the most "American" cars you can get based on parts content, not brand.
I heard that we actually made a deal with Japan after the war that if they didnt make too much noise about being nuked then we would help brush over the atrocities they did in Manchuria, some of which were worse than the Nazis ie vivisection etc.
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He told me he took a picture of the flag being raised on the island.
my friend Mr Colley.
I thought you were going to say his name was Joe Rosenthal there for a minute.
I'm actually shocked that anybody who was there would own a Japanese car though. My grandfather's best friend was in WWII, fought the Japanese in the Philippines I believe. He HATED them and all things Japanese. He was what people nowadays would call a huge racist towards the Japanese. I doubt he would have owned a Japanese car.
My Grandpa was in the Navy on a Sub chaser in WWII. He then worked for Chevy his entire career until his retirement. Finally a few years ago we convinced him to by a VW Passat but he would NEVER even consider a Japanese car. Its kind of interesting, he is having some memory problems that come with age but if you ask him the story of how he got home from the Navy after the war he will tell you every detail like it was yesterday.
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This thread reminds me of a great lecture from the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest:
Personally, I think the enjoyment is two fold. I really love buying equipment on Craigslist as I am on a budget and I love the thrill of seeing a component I want, researching it and negotiating a good price then going out and making the deal happen. So far, I got my KSB 1.1's for free, KG 5.5's for $400, My Denon AVR 3801 for $35 and inherited my Thorens TD-214 turntable for free. Even the setup is enjoyable as you have to measure your room and the speaker angles and get all the calibration correct. Then when you put everything together and it sounds incredible its that much more rewarding. You also understand the mechanics behind the quality and can listen for it when you hear your favorite music or movie. As far as being satisfied, it will probably never happen because there is no end in seeking that perfection in your hobby. There is always a DIY project or equipment upgrade that will make the puzzle fit ever more clearer.
Similar to driving, I love Forza 4 and play it all the time. Simply racing stock cars gets old pretty quick but once you start tuning and realizing all the aspects that go into making a 1,050 hp monster controllable around a track you have a better appreciation when you play with your buddies. In your head when playing you intermittently think, 'Ok good thing I set the rear diff to lock at 85% so the back isnt slipping out right now'.
Its the same satisfaction with setting up your own sound system. When the flying Ringwraith circles over the dead marshes rattling the room and you can still hear Gollum tweaking out and throwing himself under bushes you remember the hours of subwoofer setup and speaker calibration and it makes that moment even better.
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Well first I go to Frostwire (because Limewire got shut down). Then I search for the song I want and have to filter out all the ones that have porn words added as they are usually viruses. To get the most audiophile quality I make sure to only download the 320 kbps. Make sure you also turn off the option for people to download from you because thats how the Feds come after you. Once I have them downloaded I then run a few free trial software virus scans as I probably picked up something anyway.
If for whatever reason you cant find it on Frostwire then you download free software that rips Youtube videos to your computer then you simply Youtube search the song and rip it, its important here to ONLY do 720 or 1080 p or the sound quality wont be good.
Then you put the music into an itunes folder so you can put it on your ipod. After that you simply plug the headphone jack into your iPod and your receiver and you are good to go...
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Besides, even the best DAC on the market wont impress your Hipster friends...
I could not disagree more...
I think he is recognizing that vinyl is in with hipsters. Its not a comment on DACs not being cool!
Just to be clear at what age does one become a hipster ?
Usually around the age of 19 to 20 or after a good year or two of Liberal Arts classes and gender neutral bathrooms...
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Besides, even the best DAC on the market wont impress your Hipster friends...
I could not disagree more...
I think he is recognizing that vinyl is in with hipsters. Its not a comment on DACs not being cool!
Haha yes I was just making fun of Hipsters. My Aune T1 DAC and Spotify revolutionized the way I listen to music.
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http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=32651087&cat=&lpid=&search=klipsch&ad_cid=9
It looks like a pair of KG 4.5's.
The center looks interesting, do you guys know what model it is?
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Besides, even the best DAC on the market wont impress your Hipster friends...
which is why i don't have hipster friends..
Wow, so you actually dont like sitting around at Starbucks with your ipad while complaining about corporations, meat and how gender differences is actually violence or how you knew all the Indie bands before they were cool and sold out before going on to debate how much hops and fresh chlorophyll you can shove into a microbrew?
Nope. As in the case last night, I sit around my 42" fire pit, burning cedar cut down from my property, smoking my pipe, drinking WinCo coffee with fresh cookies made by my wife, and enjoying direct conversation with a few buddies - mostly circling around classic video games of our childhood, the celebration of one guy finding out his unborn child is a girl, and just general decompression from time focused on family, work, and life.
Damn that sounds pretty awesome. Ocarina of Time definitely tops my list with Mario Kart 64 and the original HALO coming in as a close second and third. There is nothing like cussing out your buddies in your basement playing Rockets on Boarding Action, good times...
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Skip the r-15. They are just a copper synergy line. Pay the extra and get the RB-41ii for 200. Plus you want your front three to match no matter what if at all possible.
Also another thread below about how terrible he thinks the r-15 is and he was just like you bought them cause they were on sale.
Didn't really think this through well enough when I first replied....... I was worried about timbre matching your center and mains more than anything else. Unless the speaker I am buying is on sale for $20, I am going to listen to it first, especially when it comes to mains. I have a nice center channel. It is a Belle that matches (reasonably close, anyway) my Khorns. However, my Hitachi TV speakers sound almost as good (they actually are good sounding speakers for a TV though) as the Belle just for TV dialogue.
When the music comes on though..... it is a different story. My mains need to perform...... the center channel is simply "there." Having said all of that, my ears are much more tuned in to music than some movie or TV show. Listen to the R-15s and see if you like them.....I have never heard them, so I can't give an opinion. What I am saying is that my initial speaker investment would be in the mains I like the best, because TV dialogue and even movies are much less demanding on the sound quality of the speaker.
Bryant
No to mention that if you have some great main speakers that are well placed you can simply run a "Phantom" center and save some money. The first thing this forum taught me was to turn off my old JBL center speaker that had a horrible timber match to my KG 5.5's and I was amazed how much better movies sound now. The voices even sound like they are coming directly from the TV because the KG's image so well.
11 year old son wants to go to Santana concert. What do you think?
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Thats awesome. My dad took me to the Grateful Dead when I was 7 at the Seattle Center Memorial Stadium in 1994. Holy crap, they played for your daughter the exact show after the one I saw.
http://www.dead.net/show/june-14-1994