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hey... it's your money... buy what you want.... you don't have to pay child support.....YET!

---------------- On 4/6/2005 4:23:29 PM playntheblues wrote: Hey Mini, Dont' go away mad, just go away. If you must persist pm me and lets not bother everyone. I am begining to think you like the spotlight (attention) here. No one is pushing anything, just trying to help friends. ---------------- you can "just go away" yourself.....

from the comments in this thread, it seems that other vendors DO have the teac amp still available.... and i can research many other choices from the sonic-T to the jeff rowland digital amps and locate them on my own... i don't need someone else to push a product on me that he offers as an "alternative" to the teac amp

from the klipsch owners manual for Reference Surround speakers: The best locations for Klipsch Wide Dispersion Surround Technology surround speakers in a typical 5.1-channel system are on or against the walls to the sides of the seating area, anywhere from adjacent to the listening position to about 20 degrees behind. http://www.klipsch.com/media/Products/Surrounds.pdf page 2 see the diagram.... klipsch recommends side placement!.... back placement is only suggested as an "alternate placement"

---------------- On 4/6/2005 1:38:18 PM playntheblues wrote: "OK. Go ahead and bother him for something he can't get." Your missing the whole point! Vinnie is spending a lot of time and effort to get people to call and email him. if the Teac no longer becomes an option, Vinnie would be able to give them a very good if not perhaps better option. To just throw up your hands and say "OK,Go ahead and bother him for something he can't get." Doesn't show the common sense and wisdom that we know you have. All the best, Guy ---------------- YOU are missing the point... people in this thread are looking for the teac amp.... no one here has expressed an interest in being sold something else if a vendor doesn't have the teac.... bait and switch happens all the time in other industries.... but it really isn't helpful to send people to vinnie if he doesn't have the product

in my room... is is not possible to have them behind my listening postion... they are setup so the sound bounces off of the backwall.... it works very well... surprisingly, i get a very good sound on multichannel SACD as well!

i have my RS-3's mounted to the side of my listening position and up about 6 feet from the floor... and this is with KLF-30's up front! it gives me an excellent surround sound...

---------------- On 4/6/2005 11:00:59 AM dcmo wrote: ....The thing that concerns me however is it has a THD of .05 at 8 ohms, while the 3005 is at .02. For someone that knows, what kind of difference in sound quality are we talking about here. ---------------- nothing you will ever be able to hear.... if anyone can hear that small of a difference in distortion levels...

---------------- On 4/6/2005 6:55:24 AM thirdeye wrote: Okay guys, I just got the 7's set up, the 100w would be fine I am not disputing this, however!!! the real issue is man this things are overly horned!!! too much upper range and even when you try to crank it volume wise the bass just never gets going enough, NOT necessarily bright just WAY underpowered at the woofer level, they are working and sound decent but can not keep up with the horns, I have a feeling yes at this point the Passive Crossovers in the Cabinet must be Stripped away to get rid of the power SUCKING inductors in front of the woofs, but if I do this I will have to just Go all the WAY, In other words What do you Guys think about the MARCHAND TUBE Crossovers to handle this Thrown in before the AMPS? And of course still attempt to use the 200w forte on the Bottom and the 100w forte on the top? I need serious recommendations if this will be worth the cost of admission... Basically If anyone is familure with the AVANTGARDE DUO system that is my favorite speaker by the way but just an insane amount of money, But anyway this in my mind would be kinda similar basically Running 200w Subs DUal 10's in each cabinet and having crossed over of course to deal with this correctly? --Now all that being said, I have not had the 7's completly broken in, but Damn KLIPSCH has to be kidding me if they believe this system was developed to take advantage of these very well built 10's , You can not even get them going in a standard hook up situation I don't care what you do , Short of #1- Putting in An EQ and Cranking Everything Under 500hz, or Try Using the standard Tone Controls and Cutting the Treble to like NON-existant, and BASS to the MAX, OR haveing a RECIEVER capable of LOUDNESS control on and off with a bunch of ROCK, OPERA, JAZZ settings to help overcome the In-Balance,, AND THESE SUCKERS do have a pretty DECENT gap in In-Balance, and it may be due to the rediculous Efficiency.... Because I have heard the RF3's in a friends system and the bass is semi-balanced with the horn..but were only 98db vs. 102 in the 7's. Here nor there, I want to make these Sleeping Giants Perform so I need the next step, as they can't be a bad speaker, but just not even close to the potential.... I think at some point klipsch put out the RF5's with Built in Sub amps at one point, im not sure but did they? I mean these may need that type treatment to make worthwhile... And no guys the Higher power of output with 2 AMPS is not needed, but Needed to maybe get some type of balance, this is a project to tame the 7's... I have 4 weeks to make some magic happen or they may be crated up and sent back if they cant stand on there own without a SUBWOOFER, and YES I HAVE a 3000.00 Subwoofer Backing them up too, and they sound Absolutely wonderfull with that sucker Fireing backing them up, but this should not be nearly as necessary as it is......... BIG towers with big Drivers should move some Pretty decent air on there own, Thats my MISSION!! THanks guys, not on a soap box just my thoughts.... I appreciate every one that has figured it out, and any opinions too. ---------------- your amps cannot handle the impedance drop in the RF-7's at the lower frequencies... as has been pointed out in more than a few threads, the RF-7's impedance drops below 3 ohms in several areas in the bass frequencies.... it is pretty obvious that your amplifier(s) cannot handle this impedance drop get yourself a quality amp that has some guts to drive low impedance loads and you will get a ton of bass from the RF-7's for music applications (two channel) you should never need to use a sub with these speakers

---------------- On 4/6/2005 9:05:33 AM NOSValves wrote: Scott, I'm going to refrain from saying to much because it may cause a fuss. I'll just say I've heard the Audio Note amp you have and your findings don't surprise me at all. Craig ---------------- LOL nice slam on the audio note amp and the teac amp in two little sentences! too funny!

---------------- On 4/6/2005 8:47:35 AM Frzninvt wrote: I agree with Tom the Stage One is certainly far from being all that, I think the B&K Ref 50 is a superior unit myself. Take a good look at the Aragon amplifiers they are wimpy! You have a chassis big enough for a V8 with a 4 cyl under the hood. A 7 channel amp with a single power supply that weighs 45lbs and is supposed to be 200W X 7, gimme a break! Want to see what a quality amp looks like check out the Sherbourn 7/2100A the Aragon amp does not even come close. Those that own them seem to be happy with them, but they don't breathe quality to me. ---------------- you're right.... let's not judge an amp on what it sounds like..... but rather on how much it weighs!!!

---------------- On 4/4/2005 4:50:19 PM SteelerFan wrote: Thanks again Russ, I've added the page to my favorites and will wait patiently until 4/23 when they become available. ---------------- do a google search for "RCA XLR CABLE" and you will find many online sources selling those cables

the RB-75's are great speakers... but the WDST design of many klipsch surround models do work very well in certain room situations.... addtionally - if your room does not allow a 7.1 setup, a pair of WDST speakers can actually sound better than using traditional bookshelf speakers for the surrounds...

---------------- On 4/5/2005 8:50:24 AM Colin wrote: I do not know if all digital amps sound the same..... ---------------- just like all tube amps, class A amps, class A/B amps, etc. don't sound the same.... all digital amps don't sound the same correct implementation is the key to expect that this $100 amp sounds the same as a jeff rowland amp is just being silly... you would need to take a leave from your senses if you actually believed that.... http://www.jeffrowland.com/Model%20302%20Amp%20Page.htm or even as good as the bel canto amps.... http://www.belcantodesign.com/prod_evo2.html

---------------- On 4/3/2005 5:00:55 PM SteelerFan wrote: Thanks Russ, I didn't even know there was such a thing as an RCA to XLR cable. I'll investigate further. ---------------- http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5Fid=2029&sku=40046

---------------- On 4/2/2005 6:49:25 PM karm4h wrote: I have just purchased, and have not yet received, the Reference 35 series surround speaker system. I have a KSW-12 sub. I have been researching on the internet for an answer to my question of which brand of AV Receiver would best compliment Klipsch speakers. There is no one answer. The Yamaha is too bright. The Denon is softer. Does softer mean muddy? I have narrowed it down to two personal choices, the Yamaha 2500 and Denon 2805. I briefly looked at Pioneer Elite 54. Does anyone have any information or experience that they can share. I am very open to any suggestions at this time. Thanks, Karl ---------------- all of the name brand receivers in the price range that you mentioned will do an adequate job.... pretty much the same from one brand to the next - with slightly different features and remotes... the old "yamaha is bright" is not true anymore... it was in the past, but not with the last couple of generation of receivers.... marantz, h/k, yamaha, denon, and pioneer elite all make great receivers... i would definitely recommend a receiver with some sort of auto eq feature... it can definitely improve the sound in your room.... i use a pioneer elite 55txi but i have added outboard amplification to improve the sound... (see my profile for details) pick a receiver that has features you feel comfortable with and a remote that you like.... good luck!

---------------- On 3/31/2005 5:39:23 PM SteelerFan wrote: You have run into the exact same issue I have. Trying cheater plugs did me no good. First be sure to isolate where in the system the hum starts. That means starting with your amp by hooking up your speakers and nothing else. In my case there is no hum there but as soon as I hook up the preamp I get the hum. I suspect being able to use balanced interconnects might cure it. Unfortunately while my amp supports balanced connections, my preamp does not. I may have some grounding issues with my house electric and should probably call an electrician to check it out. The fact is I'm pretty much used to the hum now and it doesn't really bother me that much. One day after I've finally made all of my upgrades I might try these: http://www.jensen-transformers.com/ci2rr.html Good luck. ---------------- you might be able to solve the problem by using an RCA to XLR cable between your preamp and amplfier..... try it with the #3 pin disconnected... most unbalanced to balanced cables/adapters will tie pins #1 and #3 together.... lifting (or disconnecting) pin #3 might solve your hum problem.... good luck!

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nice looking amp! i'm not an expert on the price, but the story is very plausible.... selling from hudson, wisconsin which is about 30 miles from the audio research factory in plymouth minnesota i have heard some audio research amps - very impressive!!!

---------------- On 4/2/2005 7:46:18 AM dcmo wrote: First I would like to thank everyone that responded. That being said I do have another question which springs to mind. If I have two amplifiers with different output (such as the Pioneer with 100 watts, and something else with 200 or more), how does the setup get done. Would some speakers be louder than others, or if not would the ones with the greater amplification have the amp brought down to the level of the weaker amp, or would the weaker amp somehow be brought up as much as possible to try to meet the more powerful one. For instance say in a track (movie or music) the volume is set at a level that 150 watts are going thru the more powerful amp, how does the weaker amp reconcile this. Thanks again for your help. ---------------- the entire issue here is not "volume".... but rather the ability of the 200 watt amplifier to handle the peak levels that dynamic music and movies demand... as well as the better bass control that an outboard amp will give you over you speakers...because at most "average" listening levels you will be only using 1 to 5 watts per channel.... (some peaks in dynamic movies may require up to 30 times the power of the avearge listeing level) as for different gain levels - you have a 53 tx which has the MCACC system to automatically equalize the different gain levels with the auto level, delay, and equalization system.... plug in your amp (or amps) to the preouts on the 53 tx, hookup your speakers, and then run the MCACC i am curently using my Carver pro ZR1000 to power my mains (225 watts per channel), a Carver pro PM125 bridged mono for my center (125 watts), and the internal amps of my 55txi to power my surrounds (100 watts per channel).... with the MCACC it sounds great and all the channels play at the appropriate levels on movies and music!!! Enjoy!

$800 or so (brand new) will get you a two channel Carver Professional ZR1000 digital amp that will give you 225 watts per channel into 8 ohms http://store.yahoo.com/djgear/cazrseam.html i use one to power my KLF-30's and it is the best amp i have ever had in my system as well as one of the best amplifiers that i have ever heard - tube or solid state! this is a digital amp based upon a tripath chip.... you can read about the teac and sonic impact digital amps that everyone is going nuts about in several different threads on this and other forums.... those little digital amps are nice and probably sound very good... but they are low powered and IMHO will not do a very good job for home theater applications.... http://www.carverpro.com/zramps.html i do plan to buy additional ZR amps for the rest of my channels as funds allow... good luck!

---------------- On 4/1/2005 6:06:26 PM Fish wrote: I'm gonna 2nd what Indy said,"a good pre is what makes an amp do its magic".I had a 53tx in my house on 7s and it was not even in the running for consideration after a good inhouse audition.It was bright and very unpleasant to my ears.I also had a 3805 which was alot better,a HK 630 that was even better than the 3805.These were all run through a Parasound 1205a and tested under their own power also.Thats when I decided no avr would do what I wanted in the music area,HT was fine on all units.The best amp will sound bad on a bad pre/pro,a decent amp will sound great with a good pre/pro. ---------------- i do agree that a good pre/pro can improve the music aspect of a system...... but considering the application (large size of the original poster's room and that it is carpeted with a suspended ceiling).... an outboard amplifier will be the best way to improve his overall sound... unless you get a top line receiver ($3k to $4k), there is not ANY receiver out there that can do a good job in an area of that size - even with klipsch speakers bottom line: 1. you will need a good separate power amp to give you quality sound in your room.... a receiver's internal amps will not cut it.. 2. your pioneer elite 53tx is an excellent pre/pro for home theater use and very good for music use... you will need to spend well over $2000 for a separate pre/pro that will outperform it in music AND movie use... 3. you biggest "bang-for-the-buck" right now is to add a good quality outboard amp first... and then as funds allow - upgrade to a separate pre/pro... btw - i would personally recommend getting at least 200 watts per channel in a good name brand amplifier.... one lower cost option is to buy a two channel amp for your mains and then add more amps as fund allow.... good luck!

---------------- On 4/1/2005 2:50:08 PM sunnysal wrote: thanks russ for the link for carver pro amps, I may pick one up to try. also thanks for the cables I have not found any like that at those great prices! have you used them? regards, tony ---------------- tony, i actually made my own cables out of belden RG-59, neutrik XLR's, and switchcraft RCA plugs

your elite 53tx is a fairly recent receiver with all the bells and whistles of any processor out there.... and it has very low noise floor and will work very well with an outboard amp... and a quality amp will definitely improve the sound of your speakers... the internal amps of the pioneer do not like low impedance dips in the RF-7's (as well as my KLF-30's).... your bass response will be noticeably improved... i have the 55txi and i use several outboard amps right now with great success...

wow!!! 125 watts! good for you!