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Oh, ...oak eh, well it would STILL be a tough decision! Lol!
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Those are beautiful!
Anyone looking at these and on the fence should jump fast.
I have a pair of these CW1s with the B-3 crossover and a pair of the CW2s with the flush mounted drivers and “newer” K79 tweeter.
I would not be able to decide which pair to keep if I had to sell one.
UNLESS one was WALNUT like the pair listed here!
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Hi Alexander, saw your other post about grilles.
The T-500s I had were missing grilles too.
Here is a picture of the T-5000 grilles.
If you need more pics, any questions, just ask!
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Good advice from TasDom.
Don’t do a thing until you hear back from Klipsch.
I have cracked MANY mounting holes tightening down screws...
It will get resolved, one way or the other.
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Good morning Tiz!
I see you took the leap to LaScalas! Congratulations.
Don’t you wish you had done that sooner too?!
Now, what to do with all those other non-LaScala speakers? Lol.
Looking forward to seeing the responses for this post.
Mine have the AL-3 crossover and sound very balanced to my ears.
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Here is the woofer that came from the factory sans screw.
You can see the gasket intact through the hole.
I wonder if Klipsch would send a replacement under warranty...? Ha!
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Gasketing and gluing used.
I wasn’t sure if I would fit a caulking gun inside the cabinet so I bought the small tube of glue.
One small tube did one motorboard, not very cost effective. Lol.
I will buy the large tube for the next speaker, put a bunch on a board and just spackle it into the seems with a small putty knife. I should have thought of that the first time...
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Still haven’t figured out how to shrink my file pics to get more in a single post...
This is the woofer.
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Alexander, I finally did get inside my T—5000s yesterday.
And if that is your first crack at a DIY crossover it looks damn fine to me! I have yet to knock one out, but I can’t see it looking any different than yours -looks just like the schematic, with lots of room to repiar or upgrade should the need arise. Nice.
I like the idea of outboard crossovers too!
One thing I have read HERE is that ferrous screws do have an effect on the coils if placed too close. Not sure what you used, but they look like stainless steel which would be fine.
The crossover was stamped as T-5000/T-4000. Drivers were k-75/ k-53, but the woofer was not labelled specifically(?). The woofer magnet was vented and heavy.
As I suspected, I could see my maglite through the joints of the front baffle in several spots, and there was dust around the speaker terminal cup as it was loose. One screw was never installed on the woofer(!)- gasket was tight though. The passive was not very tightly fastened either. There are povisions for floor spikes in the bottom I had never noticed.
The rest of the speaker was (very) solidly glued and gasketed though! Slight corner bracing was used and the motorboard was thicker than I expected. Two pieces of acoustic foam were on either side vertically.
I took another posters advice and used contractors adhesive on the seams that needed it.
A great choice as it doesn’t run! I used a piece of cardboard as a putty knife to push it into the seems.
I will be adding extra gasketing material to all the drivers when I reassemble them.
I plan to cut a couple of small cross-braces before that. I will likely screw and glue them as looks are not paramount with THESE cabinets.
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Just to give some props here...
CANT has been, and continues to be, a major inspiration to me. I have a pair, actually two pairs, of Cornwalls bearing a striking resemblance to the ones in the upper left side of his first picture in this post. One pair with the K-77s and the other with K-107ti’s on top. They both sound equally amazing in their own right.
I think I am following just about every post of his I stumble across.
Thanks for continuing to share your efforts CANT!
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If you have the chance to get Forte 2’s (those are what is pictured!) it is really not an option.
I had RF-3’s, very similar to the RF-82’s.
Compared to Fortes they were missing something.
Forte 2’s will make an excellent entry into the world of Klipsch!
Hurry man, before someone else jumps on them.
Good luck.
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Alexander, I am very interested in your efforts with the T-5000s.
I just lucked into a pair and they are no slouch.
In a side by side comparison with my Forte ii’s (un-modified) there is very little difference, with the exception, of course, of that magic tractrix midrange. The Forte ii’s take it a little lower at (very) high volume before distorting, but I think most of that is due to the T-5000’s less than stellar cabinet.
The pair I have definately needs crossover work.
I owned T-500s a while back and was expecting more (read punch), the T-5000s have it! As I understand it, they have the same woofer as the Heresy iii. Half the impedance for 3db more in the chest?
I had Heresy ii’s and loved them, lack of low end notwithstanding.
I see these becoming full range Heresy iii’s that are at the right height.
Even just with a little bracing and refreshed crossovers these will shine.
Please keep us posted with your progress here and thanks for your post!
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Chorus 1s or Chorus 2s?
I would not be tearing apart a working pair of Chorus 2s!
As for Chorus 1s, I seem to recall Bob Crites stating somewhere in these forums that he had difficulty telling the difference between his Chorus 1s and Cornwalls.
The Chorus 1 is a nice package.
I have Cornwalls and would prefer them a little taller and narrower (I am NOT complaining). At 6’5” I sit taller and even standing a higher tweeter sounds better.
If it is lower bass response you are after you will need to choose a different woofer, and likely extend the port tubes.
I have never used them, but there are design programs that will give you an idea what to expect based on your choices.
BUT! If you can build cabinets you may as well cut to the chase right now and hammer out a JUBE cabinet!
It is where we are all going to wind up, or die trying!
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What a timely re-incarnation of (another) worthwhile Klipsch project.
I too am pondering the route to take with my walnut Forte ii’s.
This is the third pair I have had the pleasure of auditioning.
I sold the first pair, un-modified/refreshed, prior to REALLY digging into THIS forum. They were painted black by the original owner and I never really gave them a chance as I was looking for house-shaking performance at low volume. Almost, but not quite what my naive ear was expecting.
The second pair came with Crites titanium tweeter diaphragms and were oak. They seemed noticeably more appealing sonically than the first pair and I had every intention of keeping them. UNTIL I lucked into my first pair of Cornwalls! Enough said.
This third pair matches my walnut Cornwall iis. Never say never, but I expect they will be staying.
The Forte ii goes lower, tighter than any other speaker I have and fits anywhere, attractively.
Bob’s titanium diaphragms are a no-brainer at this point. Having heard them, they are conspicous in their absence.
Re-sealing the driver gaskets is not optional.
Bracing and gluing the cabinet seams stands to reason.
It is the crossover options that have me in a wonderland of possibilities.
I will start with new caps on the original crossovers and PRAY it stops there!
One question that keeps nagging me...
Would a tractrix tweeter not be the preferred route in the Forte ii. Why was it not used originally? OK - two questions.
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Thanks for the clarification Garyrc!
This IS a great forum to learn and share on.
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“Horn speakers are fast and sensitive and sound good at low volumes.”
Absolutely true.
The higher the sensitivity, the better they sound at low volumes. All things being equal.
I had Heresy 2s on stands - AT EAR LEVEL, the impact and detail up close was nothing short of immersive. I was using an old restored Pioneer SX2000 tube receiver (40 watts a side). With the loudness button on and the bass dialed up I could have forgone a sub for music. Acoustic suspension speakers deliver tight punchy bass that seems lower than they are spec’d for at low to moderate levels.
I found the same experince with Forte 2s at slightly farther distances. I did not feel the need for a sub with these. As a matter of fact when I first hooked them up I went to turn the bass DOWN only to find it at defeat on my (modest) NAD 372 integrated amp.
Cornwalls sounded even better (read BIGGER) at low volume but needed to be toed in A LOT at the same distance to image as incredibly as the Heresys and Fortes.
I sold the Heresy 2s shortly after I brought home the Forte 2s.
I sold the Forte 2s shortly after I brought home the Cornwalls.
“There is no replacement for displacement.” And I had JUST enough room for Cornwalls, literally inches to spare. BUT, I really missed the tractrix midrange, so “open” and unstrained. Missed the tractrix so much I modded my Cornwalls to accept the tractrix horn from the Forte 2.
The Forte 3 is priced right in the middle between the Heresy 3 and Cornwall 3, AND it has an “improved” tractrix squaker!
I don’t think placement of the Forte 3 would be a problem in the room you described, not any more so than Heresys. They are the same width and depth, but you won’t need stands for the Forte 3s.
In $US: Heresy 3 - $1000, Forte 3 - $1800, Cornwall 3 - $2200 (each).
That would leave $800 for a sub from your budget, IF you find you need one!
I have since picked up another pair of Forte 2s to play with, but when I sold my last pair I referred to them in the ad as “floorstanding headphones.” And the Forte 3 is vastly improved.
You owe it to yourself to audition a pair of the latest iteration of this audio masterpiece.
This is a great forum to learn and share on.
You CAN’T go wrong with any of your options, but hearing is believing, always. If you have a chance to hear your choices first, or the option to return your purchase, that is the way to go.
As a final note, your English is better than most high school graduates now. It was a pleasure to read your summary and your observations are spot on with my limited experiences so far. That is precisely how we have wound up with Klipsch in our lives.
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I think the question about warranty was tongue in cheek making reference to their age.
And matter-of-factly pointing out the “NON-CONSECUTIVE” serial numbers was discretely objectionable.
I also noticed the most horrible of all possible crossovers (AB) and the metal K-400 horns. Less desireable to be sure.
The sound from these would be enough to send the less mechanically inclined running from the room.
This very combination in respective LaScalas and Khorns are responsible for most, if not all, of the negative reviews over the years. That and crappy amplification...
There were also many scratches and chipped veneer visible in the subjective pictures.
As a project pair of speakers, my offer would likely be insulting.
But these may be just the pair of Belles someone else has been searching for at twice the price!
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"Don't judge a book by the cover."
And then back-paddle when it does a better job than the cover alludes to...
Did that reviewer say that "compressed music" sounds really bad through the Forte iii?
...get a haircut, and get a real job...
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Welcome to the game changing world of LaScalas Becky!
...don't you wish you had done that sooner?
I know I do!
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Mmmmmm.... Sandwich.
Er, I mean FORTE IIs!
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Agreed!
What started as a lark is staying for effect.
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10 hours ago, Md5150 said:
That was my add. My profile has one of the pics from the add.
New add will be going up later tonight. With more pics.
Btw, stacking them is better than any other arrangement.
New Cornwall Issue: 2nd Pair! Feelin' snakebit
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Man, I feel your pain.
New means NEW.
You have paid for that satisfaction.
What is the discount on a “scratch and dent” pair of Cornwall IIIs these days?
It has got to be 20% or better!