Ol_mcdonald
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On 3/7/2021 at 5:55 PM, RandyH000 said:
Dave's horn will modify the look and the sound as the tweeter is on the side of the mids Horn , a totally different speaker -------no longer a khorn --
I realize that, and that is one of my objections to the idea as implemented. What would be the issue with fabricating a new top hat to allow the installation of Dave A's horn or the K77 above the tractrix horn? If it sounds like crap to my ears nothing more than a little shop time to restore it eh?
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Exactly, a lot more, and if I went that route I'd just want Jubes.
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If I’m spending that much cash I want the whole deal! Daves tractrix horns are $300!
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No replies to this post, I assume they have been sold??
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11 hours ago, jimjimbo said:
What’s your location?
Nashville, TN
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I have been searching for a single Belle for a center between my Klipschorns I have (thanks to this forum), instead, found a gorgeous pair of Belles in mint all original condition at what I believe is a good price.
I have seen somewhere in the past a site or post here of an index of used prices for heritage speakers and would like to review it. I have looked at eBay and a few other places and have some idea but values from a trusted source (here for instance) would be greatly appreciated.
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1 hour ago, Kjunkie said:
When I first connected them, I didn't have much time. I replaced my Cornwall IIs with the new (to me) Klipschorns. I have a pair of KLF20s also connected o the same Yamaha 2600 7.1 receiver. I didn't do anything more than just switch the wiring.
I turned them on, with the same settings which were present the last time I was in that space. The KLFs were set up so I could A/B them.
KLFs sounded great, and in comparision with the Khorns, they sounded much better.
Three weeks later, when I made it back to where the Khorns are, after checking the wiring for phase issues, I checked the reciever settings. Surround sound!#$%@. Once I switched to pure direct....MAGIC. and I mean MAGIC!!
KLFs still sound great, but not anything like Khorns.
As a side note:
I knew my Cornwalls had crossover issues, so on this trip I replaced the original 1986 crossovers with new ones from Crites. The difference is amazing. I bought the Cornwalls from a gentlemen who had them for a while but wanted to upgrade to something different. I think if he had done some research he would have saved some serious money by just renewing what he already had. (I'm fortunate that he didn't because for $500 plus the crossovers and titanium tweeters, I have a great sounding pair of Cornwall IIs.)
That’s funny..... My wife and I recently built a new home, and in the basement I have a dedicated listening room. Once I got everything in and hooked up, except the tv, I wanted a test drive. Powered up, CD in, sounded horrible, vocals were a mess and just didn’t sound right at all. I have a 2.1 system using an Emotiva 7.1 pre/pro, UI is less than optimum without a tv. Once I installed my tv and checked the setup via the UI on my screen, there it was...surround. A couple of adjustment later....NIRVANA! I feel your pain, and felt so silly! I hope you can enjoy yours now as much as I have mine!
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I’m curious if anyone here has used one of Dave Harris’ tractrix horns in a Klipschorn and your thoughts if so.
Thanks in advance!
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Glad I got mine before all this crap began. My ‘77 Klipschorns were Made in the USA!
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Glad my ‘77 Klipschorns were made in the USA before all this crap began.
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Did you also purchase the Belles? I am looking for one to use as a center for my Klipschorns.
Mine are ‘77’s and I have thoroughly enjoyed them. I can only guess you feel the LaScalas are much “brighter” than the K horns so maybe it just a loudness thang?? How do the two different rooms compare that each are in? Room acoustics and placement can have a huge impact on their performance.
Good luck sorting them out, and if those Belles are still available I’ll split the cost with you for both of us a center!
Happy listening!
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And the Belles?
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Looking for a single Belle to press into duty between my Klipschorns. Any condition considered. May consider splitting a pair with someone of the same notion.
Thanks!
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I spent many an hour and dollar in Audio Systems, they were on 22nd Ave. Jack Tinzel owned it an Alan Burrus was the manager (at one point). Ray Elkins was my favorite salesman. I believe Jack passed away a few years ago and Alan went on to own and operate Hi-Fi Buys in Nashville. I would be shocked if Nicholsons picked up Klipsch, they always flew the Mc flag proudly. They, like most of the dealers of that era, no longer exist. Audio Systems is where I heard Klipsch first, but originally started my hi fi journey there with JBL after my dads shop (in the alley off Elliston Place) had built a pair of JBL studio monitors for Bobby Goldsboro and left the plans from JBL behind. I built a pair but soon had to replace them with a pair of Cornwalls. Audio Systems hosted an event there with Paul Klipsch as guest speaker, as luck would have it, I had to work. My nephew was able to atend and still has a yellow bullshit pin he got there.
I will submit my serial numbers for further info from @JRH Thanks in advance!
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I’m baaack. Sorry for the long hiatus, holidays, family. I did in fact buy them for $1000.00 cash from John Prine, who at that date had just returned from Hawaii on honeymoon.
I learned about them from a salesman at Audio Systems in Nashville, TN who I had bought other Klipsch Heritage speakers from....he knew I would buy them. I had to wait for him to return from Hawaii, the longest week of my young life! I left a message for him to call when he returned with his “house sitter”.I remember him calling and having a quick, nervous conversation about the how’s, where’s and when’s of the transaction and setting an appointment, so to speak. I arrived at his home in my Ford p/u and knocked on the door. Again startstruck (I know, not Elvis but I was a Prine fan already) he answered the door and invited me in where I met his house sitter...Roger Cook. Wiki his name if you aren’t familiar with him. We talked about them for a few minutes and not wanting to seem like a Stan didn’t want to outright ask for his autograph, but in a moment of pure genius (lol)I asked for a receipt. He gladly complied. John Prine, Roger Cook and I loaded them in the back of my truck...almost 40 years ago.
I have no desire to sell them and the story I just told could be as fake as a “made up” receipt. I’m a Klipsch fan, have been since the first time I heard them. I’ve owned several pair, visited the Klipsch factory in Hope, had the keys handed to me to what is now the museum to go drool over all the historical goodies inside because no one was available to show me around. I asked to see the anechoic chamber and the lady there respectfully declined saying it was in use. I’m a fan who owns the speakers of my dreams at the time I bought them, who happened to have been owned by a somewhat famous singer songwriter. I’m a fan of Paul W. Klipsch and his legacy, my listening room is modeled (dimensionally) after his in building 116, I read in Dope from Hope he referred to as Studio 116.
So why? My own personal satisfaction as to the chain of ownership, which I believe to be short, and to further establish their authenticity so when the day comes for me to pass the torch this isn’t just so much here-say, another tall tale from Nashville. My hope is my son would cherish them as much as I do, and I would like for him or their new owner to be able to tell the story.
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I own a pair of 1977 vintage Klipschorns I purchased in 1984 from a singer/songwriter who recently passed away and I would like to establish their provenance by identifying the original purchaser, beyond my own legend, such as it is. I have a receipt memorializing the sale written in his hand, with his signature, transferring ownership to me. I lived it so there is no doubt in my mind the receipt is authentic...but you know, "anybody could have written that". I got a response from Klipsch back in the day ID'ing them and their vintage, but I am curious now if it is possible for Klipsch to identify the original owner, the ethical and legalities are above my pay scale so I defer to those better versed in those matters.
I have no intention of selling them (unless offered stupid money or Jubes lol!) but would like the information to determine the speakers provenance and add it to my collection of memoribilia related to them. Merry Christmas everyone and THANKS in advance!
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Yes, I am using a dbx Driverack PA2. Entire setup is solid state. dtel also mentioned the Duke and I am interested in more info. I would like to use this amp and have interest in upgrading it before it is deployed. Thanks for your input.
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Just gauging opinions on using a vintage Crown D-75A to drive the top end of bi amped Klipschorns.
I have access to one I can purchase cheap enough to have it gone through and upgraded as necessary as I know it has some age, but then so do I!
Thanks in advance for your input. Opinions have varied wildly (as I expected) in other forums. I anticipate more rational responses here!
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I wish all speakers had Neutrik speakOn connections. NEVER had one fail, can be connected and disconnected over and over and no worse for the wear. I modded my Klipschorns and did away with the binding posts entirely.
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10 hours ago, Raider said:
In the early 70's, I had an internship at WMOT-FM in Murfreesboro, TN, while studying for a degree in Recording Industry Management at MTSU. The chief engineer at the station also worked in several studios in Nashville, and was a member of the Audio Engineering Society. He invited me to attend an AES meeting with him in Nashville at a studio that had just opened to hear some guy named Paul Klipsch speak.
I now realize what a privilege it was to hear a legend in the industry, really just by happenstance on my part. Paul spoke for a time about his speaker line and the engineering behind them, and patiently but directly entertained questions from what was a well educated, experienced, and tough crowd to impress. After he spoke we all went to the control room for a demonstration. The studio had mounted two Klipshorns upside down in the corners of the control room so that the bottom of the speaker was in the upper ceiling corner, and the mid and tweeter horns were aimed to be at ear level for the engineer sitting at the board.
Paul had set up the Klipschorns to be driven by a 60 watt Crown amp, and had rigged a power meter to show the actual output to the speakers. All attending were either musicians, producers, or recording engineers who were accustomed to loud playback. Paul put some program material on, and began at a very soft level, and asked everyone as he slowly increased the volume to cover their ears when the volume became uncomfortable for them. As he did the the power meter was covered by a cloth, and when all ears were covered, Paul removed the cloth to reveal that the amp was averaging only about 1-3 watts, only occasionally peaking at 10 watts. His point was that with these speakers, headroom for either the speakers or the amp, would never be an issue in this work environment. I clearly remember the reactions among the group as they considered the implications of this information and experience.
Egos in the music industry are common, and it was indeed interesting and entertaining to watch the clash of some of these egos in the room with Paul's no-nonsense, no BS demeanor as he confronted myth with fact and knowledge. After that I acquired a Klipsch belt buckle, which I still have, and also a few of his yellow No Bullshit buttons which sadly got away from me through the years.
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A few months later I was in a hi fi shop off Elliston Place in Nashville, and as I walked past a demo room I thought I heard a live piano. I discovered that it was actually a record being played on Klipsch horns and they had just become a dealer. I always wanted to have a pair of these but never had a house conducive to their proper placement. But for the last several years I have enjoyed two different sets of Klipsch Reference and Reference Premier speakers in my home. For years I searched for the right combination of hifi gear and speakers to recreate the clarity and power of the studio systems I was around in college. When I was finally able to get my Klipsch towers, the search stopped. The thing I love the most about Klipsch is the nearly limitless, distortion free headroom I enjoy at all volumes I listen to, from whisper-quiet up to my limit of about 100 db, whether listening to music or HT.
And the thing I notice most about my Klipsch speakers, is that I don't notice them. I'm just immediately absorbed within the acoustic experience itself.
Great story. My first experience with Klipsch speakers was at the very place you heard them, Audio Systems on 22nd Ave. my favorite haunt for years. I heard the BEE GEES Stayin Alive playing on K horns and fell in love. It was several years on before I bought a pair used...from John Prine.
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Slightly off topic, but I have a pair of Dave A’s smahl horns and DE120 drivers in my Klipschorns and love them. Beautiful build quality and sound great too. Dave is a treasure!
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Never been good at pouring on praise or able to describe “the sound” But they do sound better, cleaner I’d say. Having just moved into a new home and making numerous changes it’s difficult to say which one was most influential in the current setup but will say I am very pleased with Al’s work. I didn’t have to suffer the entire cost of the paired networks for LF and HF since my LF Xover is handled by DSP. I have the ES5800T built for bi amping which saved me a little 💵 from Al but do have the cost of the DSP.
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I have the ES in my bi-amped 77 Khorn’s waited 3 months for them. All I can say is they sound great and are a work of electronic art. The adjustable taps are great too for the MF.
Tractrix horn for Klipschorn
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My OP was solely about Dave H’s tractrix mf horn. A comment was made about the tweeter being off center, which I also dislike, so now I AM talking about both Dave H’s mf and Dave A’s hf horns since I have both Dave A’s horn with B&C DE120 driver and K-77’s and one or the other may be a natural.
I’ll look at Greg’s horn driver combo also.