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Price drop to $750. Want this gone. My new receiver is in and set up (Marantz SR-8015)
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Excellent condition. No dings, scratches or anything. I have all accessories. Smoke free environment no pets. Used in my basement theater and sat in my AV cabinet entire time with proper ventilation. Purchased brand new 4 years ago from Acoustic Sound Design, an online dealer in Vegas and never had to once use the 3 year factory warranty. I run a 5.1.4 Dolby ATMOS setup and it sounds superb. I’m using the 7010 as a pre-pro with the Marantz MM-7055 5 channel amp (you’ll see in the attached pic the 7010 sits on top). For 2 channel music, listening, the 7010 shines. I also have a Denon X6200 upstairs, but the 7010 sounds better for music because of the Marantz HDAM’s. Just received latest firmware update and plays Dolby Vision perfectly from my Oppo-203. Perfect pair with Klipsch. Receiver is in excellent condition. Located in MD. Have more pics but too large to attach. $750.
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11 hours ago, Gclayton said:
Hello,
I just set set up my first ever home theatre system. I ended up purchasing the Denon AVRX4400H to power the speakers that I bought. I got everything hooked up this past weekend and it seems like I have to turn up to 75-80% volume for it to be somewhat loud. Would there be a reason I have to turn it up so much? Is that expected? I was expecting a little more boom with a little less effort. The speaker set up is listed below.
504c
2 RP-260F
2 RP- 160M—Haven’t even hooked up yet, waiting on mounts
2 R-112SW
Go in Audessy and make sure Dynamic Volume is off. Also, Audessy most likely trimmed your speaker levels below the default 0.0db when you ran the room correction.
For music, 2channel stereo, I turn Audessy off completely. Make sure your speakers are set to Large in 2 channel stero options and Subwoofer set to yes.
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23 hours ago, Boilermaker86 said:
Thought I would share some new photos....
I feel like I’m in the IMAX with these speakers!
Beautiful. I believe I got my same setup as you from the same dealer. I’m in awe of these speakers and how much more dynanic they are than my 280’s (which are no slouch). My Marantz SR-7010 paired with the Marantz MM-7055 amplifier makes my jaw drop and puts a huge grin on the face of all my friends who come to listen. I do not regret saving over $800 by not getting the III’s. The II’s are all i could ask for and more.
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16 minutes ago, merkin said:
The 3400 looks interesting especially since it has DTS:x. The 4100 doesn't have it just a little more power. Thanks for your input
Same as 3400 except HEOS (if you don’t need it).
Or:
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2 hours ago, merkin said:
I have an older system, Denon avr 3805 with no HDMI inputs. It is pushing RB 35's front center and surrounds 5.1. I would like to up grade and was wondering what you folks were happy with. Kind of like to keep it in the mid range of pricing between 500 to 1000's. I'm happy with the Denon sound but would like some HDMI connectivity, possibly some blue tooth and wifi. This isn't my best system just what I use in the family room to watch TV and a few of the netflix series.
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7 hours ago, cgolf70 said:
This might have been discussed and I just didn't find the old threads. I have a pair of 280s that I think sound great. I'm wondering about upgrading to RF-7ii or iii but for the extra price, what would I really get. Yes, I know more bass, crisper and clearer mids and highs but how much more vs. price. The 280s are very good speakers IMO...
Check out this thread as well: https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/168383-if-rf7-is-100-what-is-rf82ii-rp280f/&
I have both the 280’s and RF-7II’s. The 7’s are a significant upgrade. The 280’s are impressive for their price and hold their own but the 7’s walk all over them in regards to craftmanship, dynamics, wider soundstage/prescence and detail. They are totally a class above. Think Mercedes E-class vs S-class.
The current price of the II’s are a bargain which is why I chose them over the III’s. I do not regreet my decision, do not long for the “upgrade” in sound of the newer version since my II’s sound great as is, and actually prefer the looks of the cherry II’s over the III’s. I would get the II’s and use the cost savings for some quality amplification. Marantz is a perfect match (warm and detailed).
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Nice video @Youthman thanks for the comparison. So, Klipsch personally sent you a pair of RF7III's to review. You essentially got them for free?
I'm happy with my cherry II's and personally feel the darker colored cherry looks better than the III's and the all front veneer and grill leaving some of the front exposed looks a little more high end. No brightness at all either. All dependent on the equipment. My Marantz amp keeps the sound warm and detailed. I wonder how much of a difference there is between the two in movie watching. Also the RC-64II and RC-64III.
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On 1/28/2017 at 9:44 PM, miliellie111 said:
I've had the 280f's hooked up a couple days now to a Marantz SR7010 in the living room. Running a straight 2.0 system. Listened to some music, TV and movies. All I can say is wow! Beyond impressed. Never knew what I was missing. I've heard my buddys RF7'iis in his basement and it had the same wow factor. I paid $850 shipped for my 280's and they sound as if they are worth more. R7-ii's are $3200 MSRP and $1800 now discounted. The 7's do not sound 4 times better in price than the 280's or even 2 times better.
Im not paying and extra 1k + for real wood and 2 extra inches of woofer surface. The cherry wood veneer cabinet on the 280's are very high quality, elegant and furniture grade enough to add elegance to any living space. The clean, tight deep bass on these speakers have made me decide that i DO NOT need a subwoofer , even for movies. The force these things produce are just that good and low. Detail in music is phenomenal.
So no, 7's aren't necessary, maybe for only bragging rights perhaps. Both speakers provide a similar smile on the face.
This was a year ago I wrote this. I must now update the post above as I have acquired the RF7-II’s in cherry in my basement powered by a Marantz SR-7010 and MM-7055. The 280’s are upstairs in my living my room.
I will happily say that I was wrong in my above post. The 7’s are worth the money over the 280’s just sitting them side by side without even turning them on. There literally is no comparison in person betweeen vinyl wrapped made in China MDF and real cherry wood veneer hand built in Hope Arkansas.
As to the sound, the 280’s are still impressive and hold their own. However the 7’s are in a whole different league of detail, dynamics, soundstage, and impact. I paid $850 for a pair of 280’s and a little less than $1800 for a pair of brand new 7ii’s. I definitely feel it was worth it.
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7 hours ago, willland said:
Not even a "willland" deal but still a great price.
Now keep in mind that the 7055 is not of the caliber of amp as the 7025 so I would drive the RF-7II's with the 7025.
http://audiovision.de/2011/02/01/test-marantz-av7005mm70257055/
Power Amplifiers: Construction
To test Marantz delivered not one, but two power amplifiers: The MM 7055 takes care of five channels, the MM 7025 by two channels. Both feature unbalanced and balanced inputs, stable speaker terminals, Marantz remote bus jacks, and twelve-volt remote switch ports. The power specifications of the manufacturer per channel are identical for both devices.
Sound quality surround
However, our measuring laboratory can not confirm that. As soon as all five channels have to work at the same time on the MM 7055, the performance drops significantly compared to the MM 7025 two-channel power amplifier: instead of 226 watts into four ohms and 194 watts into six ohms, the MM 7055 only sends 76 to four ohms Watt and at six ohms 131 watts to the measuring resistors. In absolute terms, these are good values; for an AV receiver, they would be respectable. From a pure multi-channel power amplifier without additional circuits that produce heat and draw electricity, but you expect more. Here, a performance limitation should not start so soon.
As a result of these measurements, the testers decided to use the MM 7025 power amplifier for the high-performance front channels in their hearing comparisons and to give the MM 7055 the "tamer" center and surround speakers. That this tactic was right, was the same, namely with the tow truck scene from "Terminator - the redemption" (Dolby TrueHD). The trio impresses with a precise, present but at the same time airy and pleasant midrange and high tone reproduction. She lets it really crack in the bass, the explosions and collisions shook the listening room with power, depth and accuracy. Even when it comes to music, the Marantz team does not put its light under the bushel, but stacks up the space in "They Can not Take That Away from Me" and conveys emotions convincingly.
Bill
Corrct me if I’m wrong but the MM-7025 and MM-7055 are the same amp, same wattage power supply transformer with the same components. The 7055 just adds 3 extra channels. It is not surprising that with all 5 channels driven on the 7055 it is not putting out the same wattage as the 7025 driving only 2 channels but if you are only driving the 7055 with 2 channels (stereo listening) then they should be identical.
For movies, it will only be driving the RF-7’s and RC-64 and my surrounds will still be running off my SR-7010.
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54 minutes ago, Youthman said:
Oh cmon guys. Give milie a break. LOL. Yes, I believe you did very well my friend. I think you got a great deal on that Marantz amp, especially since it's a current model and pretty much brand new. Whether or not it's a Youthman deal, is not for me to decide.
The phrase Youthman Deal was created by guys in this forum due to the many ridiculous deals I've found over the years. (ie. Mint RS-7 for $50, RF-7 II for $363.00 (when they were still current model speakers) and KLF-30 and KLF-C7 (with some cosmetic damage) for $200. It's those types of deals that simply don't make any sense to me or anyone else but are very real and are one of many ridiculous deals I've scored since my first Klipsch purchase in January of 2008 when my addiction was at it's infancy.
As far as amps for my theater room, I originally bought a Parasound HCA2205 (220 x 5) in April of 2010 for $750 (which was right at market value at the time) and sold it in Nov of 2013 for $550. But in Jan of 2014, I made up for the loss when I came across a sweet deal on B&K 200.7 (200 x 7) amp for $400 and ended up selling it in Feb of 2014 for a $1000 after being given a Sherbourn 7100A (200 x 7) amp for free.
I truly hope stories like these are an encouragement to everyone that deals are out there. I've always said that in order to score ridiculous deals, you have to have 3 things:
1) Continually looking for deals daily, sometimes even hourly (ridiculous deals often last less than a few hours, sometimes way less)
2) Have cash on hand that is pre-approved to spend on audio gear (if there is a significant other).
3) Available to either go get them immediately or send a deposit to hold them until you can pick them up
If you don't have all three of these in place, it's really difficult to score what most would consider a Youthman Deal. Timing is everything. I'm not even sure how I do it sometimes.
After reading this, I’m convinced that I still have yet more work to do in finding my first “Youthman Deal” lol
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Ever since reading the the Youthman deal thread, I’ve been envious, yet motivated to find my own.
Been looking for a separate amp to pair with my newly acquired RF7-II’s running on my Marantz SR-7010. Scouring Craigslist I came across a Marantz MM-7055 ($1200 retail). Guy had it listed for $750. This was already pretty low. I emailed him why he was selling. He ordered this amp back in November from his installer and by the time he got to installing, he realized this was not a good match for his 4ohm speakers. By then, the return period had passed on the amp so he was pretty much stuck with it. He was trying to move it so that he could proceed with getting an amp that would work with his speakers.
I told him that I was looking at other amps as well (Outlaw) and I came across an Emotiva XPA-5 for $500 (gen 1) but it wouldn’t fit in my AV cabinet. I offered him $500 for the Marantz. He countered with $550 because he had other offers but he would have to go through the trouble of shipping but I was local. I said deal.
I met up with him and he was only about 50 minutes away. Very cool guy, we chatted, had some things in common and are both building up our home audio systems. Very easy PayPal transaction done in less than 5 minutes. When I got home, he had this amp pagckaged in the original box, styrofoam and all, all original accessories, plastic, paperwork and receipt from vendor showing he paid $1199 for this amp. I was impressed that this was basically as brand new as brand new could get. The packaging and condition of this product would put Accesories4Less to shame and they are asking $720 for this amp refurbished.
Briefly hooked it up to my RF-7’s and RC-64 and I’m floored by the amount of volume, warmth, detail and dynamics.And it is a perfect match aesthetically stacked underneath my Marantz SR-7010.
So, is $550 for an essentially $1200 brand new Marantz amp considered a @Youthman deal?
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Anyone with an Emotiva XPA-5 gen 1? What do you think to power rf7’s? Found one in mint condition for $600. Should I pull the trigger? I’ve read of noise issues.
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On 12/23/2017 at 11:21 AM, Youthman said:
If your tweeters are starting to distort, your Receiver is running out of gas. I use an Acurus A200 (200 x 2) and it’s awesomre. Plenty of clean power for the RF-7 II. I paid $275 for mine
Did you run your 7's on a regular avr before and if so, how much was the improvement once you hooked up the Acurus A200?
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On 12/23/2017 at 3:58 PM, willland said:
Sure, there are plenty, used and new. Here are just a few.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/solid-state-2-ch-reference-power-amp-2017-12-04-amplifiers
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=109&cp_id=10919&cs_id=1091903&p_id=30875&seq=1&format=2
Bill
That Marantz would be a perfect match to the SR7010 I just moved on my 7II's. In your opinion, how much better would they sound since the SR7010 is pushing 125 watts and the MM7025 is only 15 watts more at 140? Will I notice a big difference in sound?
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9 hours ago, vasubandu said:
Just out of curiosity, did you consider the RF-7? I mean the original. That's what I am getting, and so many people have told me that they prefer them to the RF-7 ii. Just saying that you might want to see if you could listen to them. If they worked, it would be so much cheaper. I am totally new to this, so I have no opinions of any value to offer.
Never considered the original. For one, they are not being sold anymore and are hard to find. And also everything I’ve read is that the version II is an improvement over the originals especially for music listening. Plus they flat out look better with the all front wood veneer.
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17 hours ago, robert_kc said:
IME, RF-7II sound great with tube amps, except KT88 sound too bright (which can be mitigated via the treble control on my McIntosh MX110Z). I prefer RF-7II with 6L6GC - beautiful sound quality playing classical and opera - no harshness or listener fatigue. (I don’t care for RF-7II paired with solid-state amps.)
Here's my basement system: Front, center, and left speakers are Klipsch RF-7 II. A single rear speaker is a Klipsch RF-7. Subwoofers: SVS SB16-Ultra, Klipsch R-115SW. Source: Oppo UDP-205 universal player. Amps: Scott 272 (EL34), Inspire “Fire Bottle” SE Stereo Tube Amplifier HO (single-ended-pentode (SEP) power amp equipped with 6L6GC), Scott 222C (7189), McIntosh MX110Z tuner/preamp, Fisher KX-200 (7591), Scott 296 (6L6GC), Pilot SA-260 (EL34), Scott LK150 (KT88). A patch panel allows me to connect the speakers to whichever amp I want, and F/F RCA cables enable me to connect an amp to the Oppo, and (optionally) a power amp to the MX110Z. I can use this system as 2.0, 2.2 or 4.2 (i.e., single rear channel).
FWIW, a great “minimalist system” is the Inspire “Fire Bottle” SEP power amp equipped with 6L6GC, connected directly to the Oppo UDP-205 (i.e., no pre-amp), driving Klipsch RF-7II. The Fire Bottle SEP amp equipped with KT-150 also pairs well with KF-7II.
I've not heard the RF-7III. I’m intrigued. I considered upgrading, however since I have my system with the RF-7II voiced to my satisfaction via tube rolling, I've decided not to change. I can’t justify the expense … for now. Plus, in order to have LCR match, I’d have to buy 3 RF-7III, and I think I’d have a difficult time selling my 3 RF-7II. (I imagine that most people would want to buy a stereo pair.)
I’m looking forward to reading someone’s assessment of RF-7II vs. RF-7III side-by-side – hopefully playing non-electronic music, such as classical music.
Happy New Year everyone! One of my resolutions this year is to spend more time riding my exercise bike listening to my basement system, vs. sitting in a recliner listening to one of my other systems!
I can also attest to the fact that the amp makes a big difference in sound. I originally had a Denon X6200 on the Rf-7II’s. It sounded good and dynamic, however it was pretty bright and at times shrill. In my living room I am running a pair of 280’s off of a Marantz SR7010.
Some say the Denon and Marantz sound exactly the same. Others say the Marantz has a warmer sound and is better for music due to using HDAM in their amps. I decided to see for myself. I moved the Marantz to the RF-7s and the sound is a perfect match. I played the same songs on each amp and the Marantz is a noticeable improvement. These were with equivalent settings to the Denon 2 ch stereo with no Audyssey. The Denon seemed to have a bigger impact on the lows than the Marantz but the Marantz definitely sounds warmer. I moved the Denon to the 280-s and it sounds good there perhaps because the 280’s tweeter has a more laid back sound than the 7II’s to help offset a bright amp.
So basically, some complained about the 7II’s being bright and harsh at high volumes which makes the 7III’s more appealing based on the new horn modification. We always don’t know which equipment others have hooked up to their speakers. Put the right amp on the 7II’s and they sound beautiful, warm and detailed.
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25 minutes ago, kayno said:
Hi Everyone,
I just joined this community. I just wanted to ask you guys your experience with Reference premiere system
I kind of pieced together my current system. My newest addition was my pair of RP280f.
Currently I have Klipsch sw112 (going to add another in the future), rp-240c , rp-240 surrounds and a pair rp250f (which I placed at the back) powered by yamaha rxv1083.
Specifically, are the rp 240c and 240 surrounds not a good matchup for the larger rp280f .
Should I sell them and go for the rp 250c and rp 250s ?
I know people running rp 260f and rp 240c and rp 240 surrounds and they are happy.
Any thoughts guys?
Thanks!
There is no rp240c. For center channel, there is the RP-250c, RP-440c, and RP-450c. For surrounds there is the RP-240s and RP-250s.
You probably won't notice the difference between side surround effects with the RP-240s and RP-250s . I would save $260 and go with the RP-240s and put that extra savings towards the RP-450c.
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Update: All is well. Receiver caused distortion to RF7’s it was getting too hot. Pulled a little farther out from cabinet and kept doors open also turned on ECO mode. Playing loud all day long and no distortion at high volumes. This Denon X6200 is a workhorse and sounds great.
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17 hours ago, adam2434 said:
Just curious...any idea of the SPL in dB where you heard distortion?
I once tested our RF-7 II's up to 106 dB peaks at 12 feet with music, and there was no audible distortion. That was louder than I would ever listen.
Also, were you using any EQ or treble boost?
It was loud consistently for about an hour around -5db. Perhaps the amp was getting too hot. I have it in an AV cabinet but probably needs a little more space around it in the back by pulling out from the wall more.
Treble was set to 0 and bass at +2
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48 minutes ago, Youthman said:
You have to double your power to obtain a 3db gain in volume. The Denon X7200 is only 10 watts more over the X6200 so you would not hear a difference between the two.
How many speakers do you have connected? I discovered awhile back the more speakers you add, the less per channel your receiver can effectively output.
I was disappointed when I found out my 130 wpc Yamaha RX-V1800 was only 103 wpc with 5 channels and a measly 55wpc according to this Benchtest - https://www.soundandvision.com/content/test-bench-yamaha-rx-v1800-av-receiver
I am currently only running the RF7-II’s. Everything sounded good it was pretty loud for an extended period of time as I was doing a listening session. It was not ear piercing loud I kept it around -5db.
I felt the Denon and it was hot but not scorching. No question on whether or not it can drive them but perhaps it is just a matter of the amps getting too hot?
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The Denon X-6200 arrived from Accesories4Less. Do I need more power? I was listening to some pretty demanding instrumental and vocal tracks for over an hour around -5db and began to hear distortion from the tweeters. Should I have gone for the X7200, or do the RF7-‘s need more power and can anyone recommend a good external amp around $500?
Thanks
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Also, looking forward to playing for an extended time and posting my views.
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Happy to report my RF7-II's and RC-64II arrived in perfect condition from Acoustic Sound Design. I also ordered RP-280's from them earlier on in the year and Mike is top notch. 7'II's in cherry are pretty much out of stock everywhere(black is still available) and I believe I received one of the last pair sitting in the wharehouse. I was able to get an even lower price than earlier advertised closeout deal on these 7II's which increased the gap further over choosing the III's. However, Cory @MetropolisLakeOutfitters has the best price on III's and provided great advice. Also thanks to @Youthman and the others who contributed advice.
As soon as I got the II's out of the box I was wowed by the sheer elegance of stature and quality workmanship of the cherry wood veneer. These are brand new A stock(or at least was told to me by Acoustic Sound Design). To my eyes, the styling and color of the wood veneer on the II's convinced me to pick them over the III's (even if the III's have an improved sound) and I am not one bit disappointed with my choice. I will enjoy the visual appearance on the II's for years to come. I briefly hooked them up to my Marantz SR7010 while I await delivery of a Denon X6200 and R-115SW. Played for about an hour. They are not broken in yet but I can definitely tell more detail and presence coming out of these than my RP-280's in my living room on the same songs. Slightly cranked them up a little and I was floored. Dynamic to say the least! Had to turn the treble down a few notches and that mellowed things out but I think I will enjoy these for a long time. I'm sitting about 12 feet away from the speakers and these are in a basement which will be used primarily for movies and casual music listening. Enjoy some pics.
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I'm happy with my cherry II's and personally feel the darker colored cherry looks better than the III's and the all front veneer and grill leaving some of the front exposed looks a little more high end. No brightness at all either. All dependent on the equipment. My Marantz amp keeps the sound warm and detailed. I wonder how much of a difference there is between the two in movie watching. Also the RC-64II and RC-64III.
My Thoughts After Comparing the RF-7, RF-7 II and RF-7 III
in 2-Channel Home Audio
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Thought I’d bump this after moving from a Marantz SR-7010/MM-7055 combo to a Marantz SR-8015 beast powerhouse AVR with Toroidal transformer on my RF-II’s.
I’ve had a few months of listening. My first Marantz setup sounded outstanding, however the 8015 has taken it to a different level in power, headroom, precision, dynamic range, midrange, vocals, musicality, warmth and overall presentation of sound.
I watched @Youthman vids comparing the RF-7 lineup and read reviews on the 7-II’s comparing the 7-III’s citing the improvements in a smoother top end. I will just say that what I experienced with my 7-II’s on my previous setup, I could somewhat understand the sentiments of brightness (although less than the version 1’s), even though the first Marantz setup was still less bright than Denon, Yamaha etc.
The final verdict…. With the SR-8015 running Direct mode via HEOS Amazon Music Ultra HD and FLAC, the RF-7II’s sound like totally different speakers at mind blowing volume with no harshness or distortion whatsoever. I am now hearing background voices and subtle nuances I had not heard in tracks before. I’m enjoying re-listening to my old collection of tracks. I feel like I am not listening to music but experiencing it. Music no longer sounds loud as if it’s screaming at you through the horns, yet enveloped in the sound even at high levels. Ear fatigue is no longer there. I now run downstairs to listen to music instead of 4K movies as the 7-II’s have now turned into "musical" speakers instead of just "home theater" speakers perfect for movies. I could put up good money that they are now on par with the Polk LSI series, B&W, and other speakers that have been dubbed "musical", yet have that deep impact and visceral slam down low the others can’t match!
Some is contributed to the powerful flagship built in Japan piece of machinery that is the Marantz SR-8015, some is HEOS which streams higher bitrate than Airplay, and some is Amazon Music HD which by the way sounds better than Apple Music lossless. My point is that I wouldn’t trade these 7-II’s in for anything now, I believe they are perfect, not bright like the version I’s yet clear and precise but not mellowed out like the version III’s. Your equipment and source has a profound effect on your speakers.