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---------------- On 4/19/2005 8:53:33 PM wheelman wrote: I am looking for a pair for my brother. ---------------- Good Luck with that swap. The best I was offered for my brother was a tired set of Bose 301s with a pair of headphones to be named later. I decided to keep him.

Misspelled and mislisted speakers could be a bargian for a Forum member. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61378&item=5767782596&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Craig- Your AKFest room with the Altec VOTs was great. With your amps they played loud and clear. The room with the Heresies was also fine. The center room with the newer issue Klipsch speakers with copper colored cones was too loud when I was in it. I confess a bias toward Heritage and total ignorance regarding the later Klipsch offerings. After listening to the system, I am unable to formulate an opinion regarding the speakers (what were they?) due to excessive volume. I agree that a setting like AKFest tends to produce higher than typical volume level. When I said most people tend to listen at too loud a volume, that is with the understanding that most people don't listen to Klipsch. In almost any endeavor, "most people" do something other than I would do. Frequently doing what most people do is a mistake.

You type faster than I do.

Michael, If you have already located the them, would you please cut and paste the links to Andy/HDBRBuilder's threads about cleaning the H/K 430? I've done a search using H/K 430 and/or HDBRBuilder, but the results are too voluminous to be of much use.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/17/2005 3:54:56 PM Klewless wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I have found that the smoother your system, the louder it can be played without sounding loud. ---------------- Agreed. If the system can handle it, loud is not synonymous with bad. Remember how dreadful the 6 x 9 speaker in a 66 Chevelle would sound when played "too loud?" It wasn't as loud as Khorns being driven by PWK's "1 clean watt," but it was distorted which made it sound bad and loud.

Won't the spokes need to be shorter due to the "deep-section" rims? Will they then work with the Campy hubs? What about the brakes, will they work on the new style rims? As you can infer, I'm hoping that someone will say, "Yes, I've done that, no sweat."

---------------- On 4/17/2005 11:57:06 AM psg wrote: "...but beware that costs quickly add up when you ask the shop to do the work for you." ---------------- I know about paying someone else. I've always done the work (including re-spoking) on this bike. I'm leaning toward replacing just the rear rim, but I'm still in the dark about the possibility and cost to replace the vintage sew-up rim with the modern style that Tom Mobley suggested. I've no intention of ditching the Campy hubs, but can they be mated to "modern rims?"

At times I had two of the Khorn knockoffs in service in my parents' basement. From upstairs the bass coming through the floor sent the message that the music being played in the basement was extremely loud, i.e., too loud. When you went into the basement, where you were able to hear the entire frequency range, the music was still loud, but not too loud as anticipated from upstairs.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/16/2005 12:59:14 AM Tom Mobley wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Neil, why not consider replacing the rims so you can use inexpensive and easy to find tires? Especially if you're 200# or so, the modern deep-section rims are really much stronger. Or you could replace the wheels completely; get new bearings and hubs in the deal. Set the original wheels aside, keep them on the just-in-case plan. This doesn't have to be a bank-breaker either. ---------------- Tom, Do you, or any other Forum member, have experience replacing vintage sew-up rims with modern deep-section rims? The Campagnolo Record hubs have 36 spoke holes. Where could I locate modern deep-section rims and spokes that would mate to the Campy hubs? This 31 year-old bike is ready to ride immediately. Put 120#s of air in the sew-up tires and away we go. Nevertheless, I want to explore the option of replacing both rims and tires with modern rims and tires versus only replacing the compromised rear rim. The well intentioned suggestions to replace this bike with a Trek or $15.00 Fuji dont address my dilemma. Ive already got a gas pipe curb pounder and a mountain bike. But, just as 30 year-old Klipsch Heritage speakers are special, so is this bike. The attachment shows the bike and one of the 84 Cornwalls I got through eBay for $475 with local pickup.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/14/2005 12:45:44 PM DeanG wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> "The Heresy was originally designed as a center channel speaker..." ---------------- Although often later utilized as a center channel speaker, I dont believe that it was originally designed for that purpose. I recall an article (probably in Dope From Hope) in which PWK described being asked by the minister of his church to design a speaker to be mounted up high over the proscenium*. PWK's initial reaction was that to use his horn loaded speakers in that setting would be heresy, hence the name. The fact that a speaker initially designed for use in a church was christened "heresy" was, IMHO, an intentional play on words on the part of PWK. He had a well developed, but frequently irreverent, sense of humor. Unfortunately, I cant confirm the foregoing, as my complete set of Dope From Hope was tossed many years ago when one of my beloved sons thought it time to recycle the binder in which newsletters were kept. *The American Heritage Dictionary: "The area of a modern theater that is located between the curtain and the orchestra."

Good looking and good price. Some Forum member should be fortunate and grateful.

Is this like, Find the Cornwalls hidden in the picture on the back of the cereal box?

There seem to be Forum members with expertise about bicycles following this thread. Your advice would be appreciated. This is not, Very nice Campy equipped Bike for sale." $220 to Forum members or $199.99 BIN with Fast & Fair or Free Shipping to eBay members. Instead, a Forum veteran with a vintage road racing bike is genuinely curious about its present value and best use. It's not for sale! But first a little background. In 1974 I wanted to buy a Schwinn Paramount for $375.00. If you're old enough to remember 1974, you will recall that Nixon had a price freeze in place, i.e., Schwinn could not sell Paramounts for more than $375.00. Schwinns response was to not sell them. A local bike peddler put me onto Legnano, an Italian bike with Reynolds 531 tubing, Campagnolo Nuevo Record, gear, etc. It was essentially the same as the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Paramount, but the price was $425.00. I bought it, and still have it. I love that bike. Friends and I made long rides on the rural roads around East Lansing, Michigan. The difference between it and a gas pipe bike was palpable. Whenever I made the mistake of switching bikes with someone else, they would be reluctant to switch back to their nice, but less lively bike. I often said that Id sell my stereo before Id get rid of that bike. Much audio gear has come and gone but the bike remains. But I digress.again. The bike is in excellent condition, except the rear rim bears evidence of an insult from a curb or pothole. Its not terrible (it trues up ok) but it thumps on braking; its not right. Sew-up tires are harder to come by, with fewer choices than in 1974. Should I replace both rims with the current state of the art in rims and tires, or should I replace only the rear rim and buy new sew-ups? At 61 and 200#, the bike is being asked to carry more weight than the typical 140# Italian racer/Lance Armstrong type rider. Should I spend serious dollars to update this vintage bike? It would not be difficult to spend more than I paid for the bike in 1974.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

What was the Item #? I can't locate them in a search of recently sold Klipsch Cornwalls. I'd like to see what they look like.

DTLongo- Your memory is better than mine. My 901s must have been Is or IIs, as they were definitely the straight sided sealed types. That mystrey solved, my guess regarding the "gargling" you experienced must be incorrect; it can't be related to the efficiency differences between the sealed and ported varieties. In any case, I never experienced a similar phenomeon with mine. That Dyna ST-400 would play the 901s loud and clear.

---------------- On 4/13/2005 11:56:11 AM CaptnBob wrote: Actually, the 901s are relatively efficient - it's the equalizer with its tremendous amount of bass boost that sucks up the power. ---------------- Agreed. The unequalized nine 4 1/2" drivers are "efficient" if you want the sound of a clock radio on steroids. If you want some highs and lows, then you need the equalizer, which "sucks up the power." The orginal versions with sealed enclosures and the equalizer in line were very inefficient. If I recall correctly, Bose recommended a minimum of 60 watts RMS per side to drive them properly. The later versions with ported enclosures still require equalization, but they do not suck up as much power.

Russ, The point is I don't select the font. I pay no attention to the font, unless it's illegible. The default font in the Forum form appears to be Normal Tahoma 2, which is fine by me. The deault font in my Word program is Times New Roman 12, again fine with me. Sometimes in the cutting and pasting process and in editing posts, the fonts seem to change on their own. I've NEVER selected any specific font, because, "... it don't matter to me." Living in Oakland County, Michigan, and still being a Detroit Lions fan even though they abandoned Oakland County for Wayne County, the only font preference I might have is the Oakland fonts instead of the Wayne Fontes. As I recall, you were gracious enough some time ago to instruct me as to how to use Rich Text to paste links and photos directly into posts. The random fonts seem to have emerged since then. Perhaps it's all your fault.

In the gone, but not lamented, thread about the "Very nice H/K 430 for sale" I posted two corrections of my earlier posts within that thread. Almost immediately that thread and the "BEN" thread that it spawned were mercifully the subjects of threadectomies. It's doubtful that beemrmax had time to note the corrections, therefore this mea culpa. Within that thread I posted a summary of recent eBay sales of H/K 430s. I mistakenly indicated that most of the then 797 100% positive feedback comments regarding beemrmax were as a buyer; in fact, the vast majoirty of the transactions were as a seller. Also within that thread I several times referred to my own recent purchase of a Harmon Kardon 430 off eBay. The price I mistakenly recalled to be $52.00. In reality, the price paid for Item #5754418176 was $58.27.

---------------- On 4/13/2005 10:00:24 AM minn_male42 wrote: neil, do you have an obsession with different fonts? honestly, some of your posts are difficult to read because you feel the need to play around with the fonts all the time..... ---------------- Russ, On the contrary, I care very little about the font used. I do care about correct spelling, capitalization and punctuation, i.e., posts are typically done first as a Word document and then pasted into the forum. If you find unexpected fonts difficult to read, you have my permission to skip the post.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />4/13/2005 8:15:32 AM DTLongo wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> "...I don't know how Bose did it, but they somehow fixed the "gargle" problem." ---------------- I suspect that the gargle problem might have been caused by too little power which resulted in clipping and distortion. The early incarnations of 901s were sealed enclosures and the black drivers had paper/cloth surrounds. They were terribly inefficient and demanded huge amounts of clean power. Mine from the Seventies (Series II or III) did not gargle when played loudly with a Dynaco ST-400 SS amp. The later series were ported enclosures and the blue drivers had foam surrounds (a whole new can of worms). Those speakers were vastly more efficient and needed less power to play loudly without gargling. Remember the days when we cranked up the radio in the 63 Impala until the single speaker rattled like crazy. Intuitively we thought the radio was sooo powerfulll that it was over driving the poor speaker. In fact, the amplifier section of the radio was so anemic that it could not play that inefficient 6 x 9 paper coned free air speaker at high decibels with clipping and distorting. My guess is its a similar phenomenon with the 901s.

Ok. I confess. Before I was exposed to Klipsch and before I used four Speakerlab SK-Horns in a mobile DJ business (75-76), I owned a pair of Bose 901s (Series II, I think). Now understand that audio memory is extremely unreliable, but the 901s were not bad, not as good as my 84 Cornballs . I mean Cornwalls, but still pretty good. As you know, 901s are extremely inefficient and very power hungry. The Dynaco ST-400 solved that problem. The 901s were at their best hanging from the beams in a large room. They were approximately 2 from the rear walls, approximately 6 from the side walls and approximately 8 apart. Although Ive never been a real opera fan, the live NPR broadcasts of the Texaco Opera Theater were amazing, as were the Doobie Brothers at high decibels. I have to agree with the Bose owner/reviewer. Most 901 owners do not know how to place their speakers. A friend of mine from college recently bought 901s based upon the recommendation of his college age son. He did so without consulting me first, despite the fact that, for thirty+ years, he has been pleased with the Dynaco A-25 speakers that I recommended when his college student budget was tight. While at his home to watch MSU (football) lose yet another bowl game, I noticed that the 901s were stuffed into a bookcase/entertainment center with the 8 rear drivers firing into a space that was barely large enough to accommodate the enclosure. I suggested that he at least turn them around so that the 8 drivers fired into the room. He tried it for a while, but the next time I was there they had been turned around again and were being played without the obligatory Bose equalizer turned on. He loved the sound so I guess its ok. You can lead a horse to horn loaded speakers driven by quality gear, but you cant make it drink in the superior sound.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

---------------- On 4/12/2005 3:04:53 PM dalcorn wrote: "...how might they sound on an HK AVR 125" --------------- No experience, i.e., no opinion. Perhaps a forum member in your area (SC) will invite you to bring your receiver to their Heresys for a listen.

http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=63955&sessionID={E2DF9BED-FA1C-4EE0-816B-EDA2328F2192} "Midwest Klipsters" There!

---------------- On 4/11/2005 4:29:31 PM johnyholiday wrote: it has to be loud so the fog,smoke,laser,pyro,water cannon,bubbles, an spinning drum kit, dosen't distract the listener---------------- If you're referring to the mobile DJ business that paid my tuitionand stole my high frequency hearingnone of those distractions was present; just four huge fully horn-loaded speakers, two turntables, a mixer, hundreds of adolescents and a pile of sweaty one dollar bills. The "music" was so loud they failed to notice the absence of "fog, smoke,laser, pyro, water cannon ..."