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8 minutes ago, Buddy Shagmore said:
Non ho un orecchio audiofilo. Sono solo un appassionato di hi-fi. Potrei essere altrettanto felice se conservassi il mio Forte. Non ho notato grandi differenze nei medi, negli alti o nel bilanciamento tonale. Come ho detto, il ritornello suonava molto simile al Forte, solo più pieno. E a seconda della musica sorgente e dell'amplificatore, le C possono distribuire l'estremità inferiore con molta autorità. Credo che la F1 scenda a 32 Hz, la C2 a 34. Correggimi se sbaglio.
Klipsch wrote 39hz for the Chorus 2 but maybe it's really not so.. idk
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23 minutes ago, Buddy Shagmore said:
I had Forte I's for about 25 years before a scored a mint pair of Chorus II's. I played them side by side to compare. While the Chorus had a bigger, fuller overall sound, the Fortes went deeper. My source music was Declan by Jeff Beck, which has some very strong and deep keyboard bass. With the Chorus', my raised foundation wood floor just did not vibrate with the same deepness and authority as with the Forte's, when those low notes were playing. The good news is, I sold the Forte's to my pal, so I still get to enjoy them when I am at his crib. I do love the Chorus's just the same.
Thanks for sharing buddy.
Aside the low frequencies response, what differences do you remember in tonal balance when you made the comparsion?
Which of the two sound somewhat brighter, harsher or less balanced than the other?
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4 hours ago, billybob said:
Decision time!
Before they are sold.
Flip a coin...
Don't worry, here in Italy there is economic crisis due to Covid, fortunately therefore I don't think someone will buy them soon, business has been slow. 🙂
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3 hours ago, jimjimbo said:
The Chorus 2 far outperformed the Forte 1 when it came to bass response in all aspects. I hope this helps, if even just a little.
Sure Jim your opinion can be helpful and can influnce for the better my choice.
You said that, so did you find that the Chorus 2 goes deeper in low frequency even more than the Forte 1?
If so this means that Klipsch was fairly rough in frequency response measurements.
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25 minutes ago, Dave A said:
Chorus I is my all time favorite. It is fun to see peoples faces when the tune up happens.
That's interesting. What is your fine tuning about on the Chorus 1's?
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On 12/27/2020 at 8:23 PM, Fido said:
Back in 1986 when my dad and I went to buy his dream speaker system we went to a local high end dealer and listened to a number of klipsch offerings.Even though my father had a large penthouse living room with space for big speakers for some reason the Forte 1s hit the sweet spot for both of us. Not that the full klipsch line at the time didn’t sound fantastic but for some reason the fortes sound just grabbed us. My father was wealthy so he could have afforded Chorus or Cornwalls or Lascalas but for whatever reason we brought the fortes home. He enjoyed them for the next 15 years of his life and listened to them every day and never gave a second thought of upgrading or changing them out.
They now reside in my house and fit nicely size wise and sound wise is my smaller sized townhome. I have changed out to Crites crossovers and changed the tweeters to Dave a Lmahls and have a large Hsu sub and now 20 years since my father passed I still enjoy them many hours every day. To my ears they sound fantastic even though they are not larger. Large speakers are needed in large rooms but the Fortes more than fill my house with music.
Thanks for sharing.
Did you ever made a direct comparsion beetwen your forte 1 and a Chorus model?
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On 12/27/2020 at 4:02 AM, nickyboy6100 said:
Most of what has been stated in the previous posts is very accurate regarding the two models. Tonal difference between the two is a very subjective matter. You really need to hear both to make a judgement for yourself. In my opinion, Klipsch speakers in general are more pronounced in the mid/high frequencies. That’s why most here are attracted to them. Not that they are void of low end, but more accurate. My experience with the Forte is that it plays well and sounds good at low to high volume with a slight change in presence compared to the Chorus 2. If you call that balance, than that’s what you get with the Forte. The Chorus 2’s play well and sounds good at low volumes, but don’t really come alive until you put some watts to them. That’s when they really distinguish themselves as the better speaker. This is just my opinion. I owned my Chorus 2 for many years and really enjoyed them.
So do you think that Forte I sounds overall better at low volumes than Chorus II? What about their differences in low frequencies response? Thanks nick.
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On 12/26/2020 at 10:05 PM, JMON said:
I have owned both. I may be the only person in the world that feels this way but after I sold the Chorus IIs, I put the Forte's in their place expecting lesser sound. That didn't happen! I think I liked the overall sound signature of the Fortes better but in very large room I may have preferred the Chorus IIs. Both were driven with a Nakamichi CA-5 and PA-5 combo. Cornwalls on the other hand are better than both of them (my opinion of course).
Do you remember about tonal balance differences beetwen your ex Chorus 2 and Forte 1? Which of the two sound somewhat brighter, harsher or less balanced than the other? What about their differences in bass response (depth, punch, resolution)?
Thanks JMON
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10 minutes ago, jimjimbo said:
Alex, I have had both the Forte 1 and Forte 2, as well as Chorus 1 and Chorus 2. I would easily choose the Chorus 2 over the Forte 1, no question. Both are somewhat sensitive to room placement. The Chorus 2 sounds great with higher powered solid state, and at higher volumes. Just my basic take.
Do you remember about tonal balance differences beetwen your ex Chorus 2 and Forte 1? Which of the two sound somewhat brighter, harsher or less balanced than the other? What about their differences in bass response (depth, punch, resolution)?
Thanks Jim
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On 12/27/2020 at 4:25 PM, wetowne said:On 12/27/2020 at 2:57 PM, billybob said:
Hai bisogno di leggere la recensione del forte del 1985. È qui intorno.
Quando li ottieni, ascolta per un po 'in modo che quando aggiorni i condensatori, saprai la differenza e quale hai preferito.
Complimenti per il forte 'e buon divertimento!
Yeah, I know that review well, it's the only one you can find online about the Forte 1, there is another review always by Stereo Review but about the Chorus 1.
I can't find anyone online who has ever made a direct comparison between Forte 1 and Chorus 2. That's why I started this thread.
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On 6/27/2020 at 2:59 AM, TorontoCanuck said:
Hey Everybody, I'm a noob, Canadian, lurking and reading threads for a couple of months now.
Great forum you guys have here!
I've recently decided to get a pair of current gen heritage models to use in a 2 channel setup, I have a pair of JL Audio Fathoms on standby to use as required with the speakers.
My request for the time being though is amplifier related.
I'm seeking an integrated amp to synergize with any of the current gen heritage models in my thread title.
I can utilize any of those speakers in my setup and I like them all so the priority is finding that holy grail amp
I would like to get as close as possible to a one and done amp purchase although I'm open to getting both a solid state and tube amp for a proper comparison
I have a matched quad set of still new Psvane EL34PH's on standby duty
Budget is 5k range, new or used
For all owners of these models, are you using an amp that you would consider a holy grail match?
I recommend you to look at Fezz Audio, amazing value for price. Look about Mira Ceti 300B.
Remember that in relation to speaker efficiency, the less the power, the more the accurate sound..
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7 hours ago, EpicKlipschFan said:
generally speaking, the fortes go lower in the bass freq & at "normal" volumes that will mean the bass will be deeper & sound a little fuller, 32hz forte vs 39hz chorus is not much but is noticeable. the forte is also more balanced in the mids & highs meaning they dont have an overly pronounced mid range & everything sounds more even... at least to me in my room with my equipment. thats not to say the chorus are harsh in the mids or totally unbalanced, just that they have a stronger sounding mid range as others have mentioned, & at higher volumes with more power they do produce a stronger upper bass "punch" from the 15" pro series woofer, but the low bass falls off a litte faster with the 7hz difference which is not very noticeable to most people in most scenarios.
& you do NOT need to be 4-5 feet away from fortes in your room... they will sound great at the more average distance of 8-10ft away if they are positioned properly, usually in a corner about a foot or so away from the back wall towed in a bit & ~6-8ft apart. i dont know of too many people that sit 4 feet away from their large speakers unless they are in a very small room & have no choice.
it would be better to post the basic dimensions of the room since total volume can be affected by ceiling height that wont change the near field sound of the speakers too much, granted if youre sitting all the way on the other end of the room that will matter, but for most people they dont sit that far away. i have my chorus in a ~21x13ft basement room with 7.5ft ceilings & i sit about 10 ft away from them & they sound excellent & i have had the fortes down there too with good results. but the fortes are now upstairs in a 16x14ft living room with 8ft ceilings that is open to a kitchen on one side & i sit about 10ft away & they also sound great. fortes are on a 100watt/ch surround receiver & chorus are on a 200watt/ch separate amp, fortes were on the same amp when in the basement.
thats just my results with these speakers, everyone hears different & has different equipment, rooms & goals, so what one person likes will be different than the next. all depends on your budget & goals for the speakers, fortes can go loud but chorus can go louder, both will sound excellent with any average room/system. most consider the fortes the best bang for the buck speaker klipsch offers, if you want more you gotta pay more.
That's interesting when you say "the forte is also more balanced in the mids & highs meaning they dont have an overly pronounced mid range & everything sounds more even... at least to me in my room with my equipment. thats not to say the chorus are harsh in the mids or totally unbalanced, just that they have a stronger sounding mid range as others have mentioned"
I'd like to know how many other people have found this same difference in tonal balance beetwen the two models, and on the contrary how many others maybe have found just the opposite.
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On 12/24/2020 at 12:14 PM, Dave A said:
That's a big price difference but the Chorus is much more musical and the definition of the bass much more precise than the Forte. I have had a few Forte 1's and 2's and numerous Chorus 1's and 2's for a reason. Fortes are OK but the Chorus speakers move me when I listen to them. Somewhat muddy bass that goes lower is not exciting to me and I would rather have the fidelity of the Chorus.
Do you remember about tonal balance differences beetwen your ex Chorus 2 and Forte 1? Did Chorus 2 sound somewhat brighter, harsher or less balanced than Forte 1? What about their differences in bass response (depth, punch, resolution)? Thanks Dave.
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5 hours ago, moray james said:
small toe in or out adjustments will deal with top end level one way or the other so that is not an issue. The Chorus uses the exact same drivers and horns but the Chorus ll runs the mid horn lower and this results is it holding its polar pattern to a lower frequency. aside from low end extension the Chorus ll is a better loudspeaker than the Forte ll in my opinion it is more efficient more exciting and more fun to listen to. You are going to have to listen to a pair if you want to know for yourself.
PS: you can adjust the tuning of the passive on a Chorus ll to lower it a number of Hz by adding 2.5 oz. of dead weight in the form of some large steel flat washers. You are looking at 3 - 4 Hz does not sound like much but it is a big deal to hear.
I understand that Chorus II is a technically better speaker since is more efficient, but I'm also looking for a pleasant tonal balance, the sound should be organic, I don't want mid-highs emphasized along with shy mid-lows recessed. You know what I mean?
What exactly do you mean by "small toe in or out adjustments will deal with top end level one way or the other so that is not an issue"? Are you talking about crossover, wiring or diaphragm upgrades?
Anyway thanks for the tip about the tuning of the passive.
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@Southern Yeah, whether I get Forte I or Chours II, I'm going to replace all their caps with Miflex KPCU-01 caps.
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11 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:
Based on your current speakers , the klipsch RF7 series --is pretty close
I don't know the RF7 series but there is an audio comparsion on yt beetwen RF7 II and Forte III. https://youtu.be/VCyZJAGSp14?t=58
Forte III sounds clearly better, deeper, fuller and less HT.
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@JMON Could you tell me the tonal differences you remember between the two?
Did Chrous II sound brighter and less balanced than Forte I? Any differences in bass response? thx -
6 hours ago, RandyH000 said:
I have the impression that the OP has never bought a pair of speakers -
I come from Dynaudio, I own both Contour 2's and the latest Evoke 50's, I used to drive them with Roksan amps, they sound pleasant but I am reselling them, I also have another amp, Musical Fidelity A120, it belonged to my grandfather, it has sentimental value to me.
But I think high efficiency along with low power are on another level of listening in terms of details.-
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50 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:
The Forte 1 would require you to be very close to the speakers 3-4 feet - while the Chorus 2 would be 6 feet away , in 20sqm , I use at least 2 pairs of speakers , in this case , go for the Chorus 2 , it's not a huge speaker either , but the horn is wider , and the bass will fill the room better than a Forte 1 , as it would sound thinner -
Thank you, instead do you have any idea about differences in tonal balance beetwen the two?
For example, I can see in the Chrous 2's frequency response curve that it progressively rises in treble while in Forte 1 it stays flatter.What does this mean? That Chorus 2 will tend to sound more open and wider, but brighter and more unbalanced towards the mid-high frequencies than the Forte1?
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6 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:
due to the size of the room , I would have opted for 4 speakers for good sound , the Forte 1 would be overwhelmed in such a room unless the speakers would be 4-5 feet away , the Chorus 2 is the sole option here , skip the Forte 1 -
I mistake, It's exactly 20sqm.
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On 12/24/2020 at 5:51 PM, EpicKlipschFan said:
ive owned/own forte & forte2 as well as 4 pairs of chorus2 & i agree on the chorus2 being the better speaker... however the forte is no slouch & is usually regarded as the most "balanced" speaker klipsch made of that era. the bass is not muddy at all & unless you plan to listen at rock concert levels that needs the higher power of the chorus, the forte is an excellent speaker all around.
& for the price difference, im not sure the chorus2 is $600 better than the fortes. all depends on your budget & their condition/veneer finish... cant go wrong with either one.
What differences did you find in tonal balance and bass response between your forte 1 and chorus 2? Now the the price is 700€ for forte 1 and 1200€ for chorus 2, very similar conditions.
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On 12/24/2020 at 8:18 PM, tigerwoodKhorns said:
Uh, how big is your room?
Chorous II has the nicer midrange horn and more bass, but are these in a small bedroom or a living room? The Fortes might be better in a small bedroom.
My room is about 20sqm
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20 hours ago, RickFL said:
I bought both the Forte II and Chorus II at the same time and
did an A/B comparison. No question i kept the Chorus II. There
is no replacment for displacement.
What differences did you find in tonal balance and bass response between the two? Thanks Rick
Chorus III Experiment
in Technical/Restorations
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Hey any news about your chorus II project?