Micklipsch
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Heads up mods, @Jason31 is a fresh scammer. Just IM’d me with the typical MO message, replete with the scammer calling card word, “kindly.”
These idiots never learn.
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5 minutes ago, hogwylde09 said:
Now if I could only be as lucky. I’m missing one also. Also think the factory copyright one looks better.
I’d call it nothing short of luck that I located one with one post in under a week, within an hour’s drive. Damn thing could’ve been anywhere in the world, lol.
Big shout out to @Iteachstem. Great guy to know. We ended up chatting most of my way home.
This is a great community and I’m glad to be a part of it. One of the best forums I’ve joined.
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1 hour ago, Iteachstem said:
I have one available. It does have a blemish on the "s". Perhaps someone got a little too excited with the vacuum cleaner? It's not noticeable from a few feet away. Let me know if you're interested and we can go from there... my guess is if it needs to be shipped, it might cost more than it's worth. I'm in Illinois. 60511
Wow! What are the odds...
Not only am I also in Illinois, but I used to live close to you, in St. Charles, out by Lily Lake, now known as Campton Hills.
I’d say it’d be fine in a padded shipping envelope, but I could honestly just drive out to you. You’re less than an hour away, lol.
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Anyone else personally own or heard these subs and can elaborate how they may stack up next to say, Klipsch R-12SW?
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Just now, RandyH000 said:
If You're buying a pair of LAVA LSP12 for 250$ ---------1) it's a great deal , no question about that -----and 2)- they would be an excellent fit for the EPIC CF-4
Thanks, Randy!
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I can tag a pair of these for $250 (msrp apparently was $338/each). Opinions overall? And if they’d do justice complimenting Epic CF4s?
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Cool guys, thanks! At first I got excited about those eBay ones, but they could be better. The color looks off as they’re a bright gold vs the original’s subdued tone, and the letters sit in the background opposed to the original’s rising above it. Would have to tear off my good factory one and stick on the eBay ones just to match.
Not attacking at all, just noting the dissimilarity. I’ll keep my search going for a rogue OEM logo. Thanks again!
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Title pretty much says all. I'm thinking the logo is exactly the same across the CF line (1-4), if anyone would like to confirm. Thanks!
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Just now, billybob said:
You could if want, start a wanted to buy advert here. Lots will see it.
Even the CF-1s may be exact.
Yeah, can't hurt.
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Just now, billybob said:
Think at the time they could have went with the woofers entirely.
Or maybe there still but doubtful.
Have made mistake by posting those in alerts as entire speakers 2 or 3 months ago.
Recall now.
Hope you get your Logo.
Thanks brotha. They have a dozen or so different logos on eBay, of course not for the Epic line. Suppose I could commission it to be 3D printed. Meh, maybe if I become desperate enough if I don't find an original.
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14 minutes ago, billybob said:
Actually recall now that was just the woofers. A decent deal.
Thanks!
I'm a derp. I didn't realize the listing was that old. I just figured things that populated in that app would be up to date. Yikes..
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1 hour ago, billybob said:
Yes that deal in Miami probably gone by now.
Unless I’m reading that sale wrong, it looks like he’s just selling a pair of C1 woofers only. If I were a C1 owner I’d probably just buy them to have on the side, out of principle.
Or make a custom center out of them, and print my own “Micklipsch” emblem for the grille. lol
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50 minutes ago, billybob said:
Thanks!
No prob! I almost wanna buy the CF2s just for the grille emblem I’m missing on one of my 4s 🤪
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Just farting around OfferUp and saw these. Figured I’d throw them up. Not affiliated to these sales.
Check out this item on OfferUp. https://offerup.co/hJWqFhwLYcb-
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On 1/9/2021 at 11:51 AM, wvu80 said:
You have CF-4 version 2, 1995. These are highly sought after in the Klipsch community and sound very similar to v1.
So far what I’ve gleaned from all the reading is that the versions or revisions are all over the map and are really skewed.
For example this person’s story about colored crossover wiring in his v1s. https://silverfacestereo.com/2015/05/13/epic-klipsch-cf-4/
Are you able to definitively tell mine are v2 based on the S/N?
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17 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
I have run my speakers with bi-amp and without. I would say there is a slight improvement in mid-range clarity but it's very subtle. If I simply played the speakers I doubt if I could tell if they were bi-amped or not.
I have come to like the speakers better without the bi-amping because I think they are more dynamic, more live! sounding.
Bi-amping does not double the power to the speakers. Rather it tends to cut the power because there are more drivers which need power. Any excess power is converted to heat by the crossover (XO) and is not used.
I see no problem with you bi-amping. My biggest concern on your behalf was that you were having problems with the volume. Eliminating bi-amping would cut down on your variables when trying to troubleshoot.
Now that you have the sound problems worked out, go ahead and try it if you're curious. See how it sounds to your ears, in your listening room with your speakers.
Good stuff. Once the bananas are in, swapping around wires will be a helluva lot less tedious.
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On 1/9/2021 at 11:51 AM, wvu80 said:
Welcome to the Klipsch Forums. Welcome to the CF-4 club. You have one of the greatest speakers Klipsch ever made, but as a fellow CF-4 owner I'm biased. Let's get to the volume issue later. I just read the thread and I have a couple of comments/observations.
- Everybody ^^^ has given you excellent advice.
- Your buddy gave you CF-4 speakers worth about $1000.
- You have CF-4 version 2, 1995. These are highly sought after in the Klipsch community and sound very similar to v1.
- The 18 awg wire is adequate. If you upgraded to something larger I doubt you could hear the difference.
- That being said, the next time you order wire go to 12 AWG, OFC (not CCA). This is overkill. We like overkill.
- When you upgrade your wire get some banana plugs. They won't make the speakers sound better, they are more convenient.
- I use Mediabridge locking plugs. The ratings on Amazon is 4.9 stars. Highly recommended.
Here is the "everything you ever wanted to know about the CF-4" thread.
About that sound:
I assume you have the sound now balanced, L to R.
I assume you are bi-amping. I suggest you use jumper wires on the binding posts and ditch bi-amping. I can expand on "why" if you want me to.
Volume: I assume this is your first new AVR. They work very differently from the amps from the old days.
Back in the old days, turning it up a quarter was loud, halfway up on the knob would run you out of the room it was so loud. The newer AVR's don't work that way.
Assuming a range of 0-98 what you will find is the AVR is almost dead silent at 40. At 60 you can barely hear it. 70 sounds good and at 80 or above, NOW it sounds loud! This is the new normal.
I'll stop here. -Dave
Hey Dave, thanks for the insight on the volume. I think I may have addressed that as well with some internal settings. Either way, what you say about the volume range is consistent with my observations, so I’m probably just getting senile over here.
Nah, it’s not my first new AVR but I am familiar with the now-vintage stuff. My dad had a pair of Heresys, Onkyo amp and turntable, etc. Actually wish I had that stuff today but it wasn’t to be. Anyway...
Yes, I would be interested in your opinion regarding not bi-amping. Because I’ve only come to understand that it’s a neutral to positive benefit; I haven’t read about downsides.
Lastly, I had some fun last night doing some sound testing. It would seem though, that this AVR is getting punked out, for lack of a better description. It cut off a couple times during some louder sampling, like during the end of the intro drum sequence of Dire Strait’s “Money for Nothing”. Made a couple adjustments and played it safer with the volume and it wasn’t a problem. The AVR did heat up quite a bit; stuff sounded amazing considering not being a dedicated amp.
I did read that there could be an issue with wiring, and it’d seem possible considering I didn’t use connectors. Waiting on those banana plugs, and beginning research on amps and preamps.
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4 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
Welcome to the Klipsch Forums. Welcome to the CF-4 club. You have one of the greatest speakers Klipsch ever made, but as a fellow CF-4 owner I'm biased. Let's get to the volume issue later. I just read the thread and I have a couple of comments/observations.
Everybody ^^^ has given you excellent advice.
Your buddy gave you CF-4 speakers worth about $1000.
The 18 awg wire is adequate. If you upgraded I doubt you would hear the difference.
That being said, the next time you order wire go to 12 AWG, OFC (not CCA).
When you upgrade your wire get some banana plugs. They won't make the speakers sound better, they are more convenient.
I use Mediabridge locking plugs. The ratings on Amazon is 4.9 stars. Highly recommended.
Here is the "everything you ever wanted to know about the CF-4" thread.
(more coming, stay tuned)
The Notorious WVU! I’m not gonna lie, your resto thread initially brought me to the forums. Thank you, and thank your son for his service on my behalf.
Funny you mention the bananas, I have every intention of picking up few dozen. In my excitement, I forwent them to get stuff going quicker, to the detriment of my kids nearby as I spat a few colorful words while suffering the close-quarters twisting method with the posts on the back of the receiver.
Look forward to me harassing you on restoration advice as I probably will do so sometime down the line. The satin black has seen better days. I’d rate cabinet aesthetics at a 6.5, maybe 7 after I finish cleaning. The sides aren’t bad, the tops could be worse. A couple befores and after the lemon oil.
I’ve also learned the site hates portrait shots, and I’m almost always a landscape shooter but given the vertical rectangular nature of the speakers, portraits work best. With all that said, I’ll be taking landscapes from now on.
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@billybob if you’re ever around Chicagoland, I’d like to buy you a drink. Your attentiveness is much appreciated.
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Heya! Ok, solved the unbalanced issue. So there’s a test tone feature, and I turned down the test volume of just the right (problematic) speaker to -11db. I thought that was only so that that bad reception-sounding test tone would come thru quieter. Nope. It was my issue. Brought it back to 0 where the left speaker was, voila—equilibrium!
Kind of embarrassing but outlining it in case someone on here or across the web hits the same bonehead issue.
As far as the volume issue I outlined last night, that’s still there, and I’m still trying to find out if it’s to be expected or if there’s a remedy. Cheers!
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Thanks @billybob. Something else I’m contending with besides that, is the right speaker isn’t putting out as much sound as the left. At first I thought maybe speaker placement was the reason why I felt more sound coming from the left, but, not the case. Physically confirmed via touching each woofer during bass.
Before hooking them both up, I was testing them one at a time with a single channel and both seemed equal during that, otherwise.
Thought I was onto something finding this setting like this, but changing it from -11 to 0 did nothing.
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Ok! Bit of a breakthrough! Going through the settings I set it for Bi-Amp A and wired as so. Sound is normalized.
Issue I’m having and the same issue I was having with previous Sony bookshelf speakers, is that I need to crank the volume up pretty high to start getting anywhere.
For example, sound scale begins at -80.5db. Sound becomes apparent at ~-55. Agreeably loud comes in around 0. Maxes at +18.
I don’t remember this always being the case, and felt “damn loud” came in way before 0. Is there possibly a setting to rectify this?
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4 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:
be careful with the volume dial here , if you crank them too high and they come on , all of a sudden , you can risk blowing a driver , do your testing at a lower position on the volume dial-
what is the model brand of the Receiver ---? ---we can look it up and get you rollin here -
@RandyH000glad to make your acquaintance, sir. It’s a Denon AVR 1910.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AV1910/Denon-AVR-1910.html
Good call on the volume, because I was getting frustrated turning it way up just to hear anything.
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@billybobI’m actually trying to run them bi-wired or bi-amped, so as I understood I wouldn’t need those straps or to otherwise bridge posts. I’m screwing around with the receiver now. I might need to enable bi-amping vs me just hooking the stuff up Willy Nilly.
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Warning: Beware of Offers to Sell by PM
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Good times...
I bet "Jose" has some sweet 1942 Khorns and knows where Jimmy Hoffa's at, too.