Flevoman

I can only comfirm what you said, I also like my Decware a lot Will never sell this little amp for sure.

Soooo....i guess Khorns?

I showed her pictures of my new speakers, the La Scalas, after that. "Wow, they're huge! And can you store your LPs in here?" pointing at the bass horn. And she was dead serious 😄

Nice to see you responding in this topic Daan. And your speakers certainly made an big impression. Both the looks and the craftsmanship with which they are made, as well as the bass... it was impressively present 😄. However, for my unaccustomed ears, it was a bit too much. Love your mids though. Ohh!!!... Today, I stopped by my mother's for dinner, told her about our meeting and your speakers, showed her the pictures I took... and she thought it was so clever of you to have those handy little cabinets on the sides of your speakers to put things in. I literally had tears rolling down my cheeks from laughter. She's such a lovely person. Your suggestion to replicate the bass cabinet of the Khorn and place it on its side in the corner of the floor/wall to create a horn subwoofer was mind-blowing... Truly amazing 👍🏻 It's now on my list as a potential upgrade.

Please keep us updated with this project

Did you already have enough reference at that time to be able to assess whether the Klipschorn, as it was set up then, provided an accurate sound image? I can imagine that if you hear the Khorn playing with such a setup for the first time, you could be quite impressed by the dynamic sound, but years later, with the necessary knowledge and experience under your belt, you might judge it very differently.

If I may continue thinking about this topic for a moment. And this is purely hypothetical. The high and mid horns are the same between the LaScala and Klipschorn, right? Logically, I would assume that only the bass section makes the difference between these two speakers. If I place the Klipschorn against a long wall, not with one side against the wall but like how I currently have the LaScala set up. So, with the back of the speaker against the wall, horns facing me, and slightly angled so that the intersection point is just behind my listening position. Logically, I would think that the mid and high frequencies would sound exactly like how the LaScala sounds now, considering they have the same drivers, horns, and placement. Knowing that the Klipschorn doesn't perform optimally because it's not in the corners, it should still sound better in the low frequencies compared to the LaScala, and the mid and high frequencies would be the same. So even with this incorrect way of placing the Khorns this way it should still outperform the lascala. Is this a plausible assumption, or am I drawing incorrect conclusions?

And what are you testing in your setup when using these songs?

🤜🤛 ... Hi neighbour !!.. But yeah , that's also a way how you can see things. Perhaps some day i will be at this same point , but not for now 😉

Who betrayed this!!!!... 😡😉

Nice, I see a few interesting songs to listen to myself. But I wasn't referring to songs that sound good, but rather songs we use to test our setup 😉 Which songs do you use as test songs, and what exactly are you testing with these songs?

Which CDs/songs do you use to test your set? Specific songs to test the bass, or to test if all instruments and vocals are properly positioned, etc. I don't mean to just give you a list of songs that sound good on your setup, but rather songs that you specifically use to test a particular aspect of the sound in your setup and for what are you using this song. Personally, I use the song "Too Much Rope," track number 8 from the album "Amused to Death," as a guideline for speaker placement. You can hear a sleigh moving from completely outside the left speaker to completely outside the right speaker. By adjusting the rotation and placement of the speakers, I try to achieve the smoothest possible transition of the sleigh from the left to the right speaker.

Perhaps?.. I do remember i also noticed the same thing when i changed from CW3 to CW4 , CW4 was a bit brighter

Ummm... Well... Euhhhh... It's a bit more nuanced. Now that I know how the LS can sound without the resonance in the mid-range, I can draw a more accurate comparison. Both mid horns do indeed sound different. The CW4 sounds somewhat brighter. The LS sounds grander and has slightly more dynamics. They're not world-shattering differences, but definitely noticeable.

Thank you for your input. However, when I made the comment about finding the sound of the La Scala darker than the CW4, I was unaware that I had an acoustic issue. It turned out to be a combination of bothersome resonance and the slightly less clear sound of the LS (because the La Scala indeed sounds less bright). By placing the speakers lengthwise or reverting to my old setup with the couch pushed all the way back, the resonance/thickening in the midrange is nearly eliminated. As a result, the speaker sounds quite different, and the perception of a "dark sound" is much less pronounced. It is indeed a fact that the LS AL-5 sounds less bright than the CW4, which became immediately apparent when I recently compared both speakers. I cannot definitively say which one is better. The CW4 could sometimes sound a bit too sharp with my 2A3 tube amplifier, for example. Now that I have been listening to the LS for a longer period without any acoustic issues, I find the sound to be very pleasing and it is my preferred choice over the CW4. Regarding your treble suggestion, unfortunately, it's not possible. My tube amplifier doesn't have that option 😉

I'm still in a huge learning curve myself when it comes to this hobby. But I own the CW4 myself and have gained some experience and knowledge with this speaker (partly with the help of this forum). My personal experience is that a tube amplifier definitely sounds more pleasant than a solid-state (SS) amp. I haven't tried many SS amps, but from what I've heard, they sounded good but lacked the liveliness that a tube amp possesses. The sound, for me, sounds richer with a tube amp. As for wattage, don't get fixated on that. The amplifier I had with the CW4 was a Decware 2.3 Watt, and it sounded lively, punchy, and detailed. The volume knob never went beyond 50%, and it already played very loud. My normal listening level was around 35%. You're asking if you're chasing an unattainable goal. But what exactly is your goal, if I may ask? Audible improvement?

Ha ha.. I'm not the one who squeezed the Jubilee into the corners of my room. So who's the intense one here 😉 I live in Almere, which is a city bordering Amsterdam. But are we Dutch people intense about our audio?... Seriously, I have no idea if this is true. Coincidentally, a few days ago i got in touch with another Dutch person through this forum , and I definitely see him as intense. He builds and modify his own La Scalas and Klipschorns and seem to have a tremendous amount of knowledge.

😂😂... I'm already struggling with the acoustic and my new lascalas

How large should the space be at a minimum for such large speakers? I expect that an average-sized room won't suffice.

Well, the thing is I own them both. So I can give it a try as long as I want. No need to rush things to come to a conclusion. There are still some options on the table. And the problem is an acoustic problem, has nothing to do with the speaker itself. But your correct, it is possible that I will end with the CW4 and I have to sell the LS, or store them in the garage for the "who knows what will happen in the future".

Thank you for your response. I understand what you're saying, and I share your opinion. However, I also notice that you seem to be drawing some incorrect conclusions (or maybe I'm misunderstanding you). I do hear things in the La Scala that give me a WOW feeling. They can sound incredibly dynamic with certain songs (which I love). Well, I've already mentioned some more things above about how I think they sound. But they are great speakers. I'm just dealing with an annoying acoustic problem, and indeed, as you said, if I can't solve this, it would be better for me to keep the CW4 (which I also think sounds great). Unfortunately, returning them to the audio store is not an option. I would simply have to offer them as a used item, but that's not a problem. The price I paid was fair, and I hope it won't come to that, but if necessary, I can sell them again without much loss. If what you're saying is true and it takes 500 hours to fully break in the speakers (honestly, I'm not quite convinced of this myself), then they still have 250 hours to go 😉 Regarding your amplifier suggestion, thank you for the tips, I will definitely keep them in mind!! However, coincidentally, I tried a solid-state amp briefly this weekend. I have to be honest, it wasn't an expensive amplifier, priced around €800, but I wasn't really impressed. Everything sounded good, but I felt like it lacked liveliness. When I reconnected the Decware Zen triode afterwards, I immediately had that feeling of "Yes!!... This sounds so much better." I will certainly give a solid-state amp another chance in the future, but for now, the tube sound is what makes me the happiest 😁

Nice that you're asking. Coincidentally, I tested the speakers against each other today and was already planning to do an update. Exactly one week ago, I rotated my entire setup 90 degrees to hear how the speakers would sound that way. The speakers were now playing in the lengthwise direction, and I had more than three meters behind my listening position. As I mentioned before, in my normal setup, I have a very annoying resonance in the midrange. The music also doesn't separate from the speakers. What I noticed when the speakers were placed lengthwise was that my biggest problem was almost gone. I still felt some form of resonance in certain songs, but I can't say for sure if it's part of the recording, due to the acoustics, or simply cabinet or horn resonance. I had already received many tips and help from @mikebse2a3 to assist me with the acoustics and speaker placement. I decided to leave everything as it was for now. Unfortunately, this cannot be a permanent setup because I'm limited by my living space. But I decided to do nothing for a week and just listen. This way, I could get used to how the Klipsch La Scala sounds, which will be useful when I test and experiment again. And that moment was today, listening to the La Scala for several hours every day for a week. And although I feel they're not performing optimally yet, they sound very pleasant... absolutely. Today, for the first time in a long time, I connected my Cornwall speakers again. First, I listened to the La Scala for an hour, and then the CW4. By the way, this was also the first time I heard the CW4 playing with lengthwise placement in the room. What struck me as a difference between these two speakers: - The CW4 sounds definitely fresher, crisper... As if the treble knob is turned up a bit more. I still think the La Scala sounds a bit dark in terms of sound. I'm getting used to it, but as soon as I switch to the CW4, it becomes immediately noticeable again. - The CW4 definitely creates a better holographic image for me. The speakers disappear, and I hear a stage of instruments and vocals. The La Scala presents a fine midrange and then gives a strong sense that the rest is coming from the left and right. I have no doubt that this can still be improved, but I am convinced that the CW4 is simply better in this regard. - The CW4 naturally goes deeper in the low end, you can hear it clearly... but the low end is also much more present. Honestly, for my taste, it's too much. I'm not a bass head, and it would be nice if the La Scala had a deeper low end, but I definitely prefer how the LS low end sounds. - The La Scala has a noticeably larger midrange, and it also seems like the resolution is slightly higher than the CW4. It's just a bit more open. When listening to the CW4, it sounded slightly less open (these are big words for small differences, by the way). - I found the La Scala to sound more lively/dynamic than the CW4. Now that I heard the CW4 again, it sounded a bit dull (again, big words for small differences). If I can solve the annoying resonance issue and allow the speakers to perform better by fine-tuning, as @mikebse2a3 has given me a lot of information about, then the La Scala will be the ones to keep. It may sound bizarre to say this about speakers that cost 17k, but I hear the potential they have; now I just need to fully realize it. I do share the opinion that I read somewhere before in a review: these are not easy speakers. The speakers are now back in their original position, in the middle of the long wall because someone from an audio store is coming on Friday with bass traps and acoustic panels to see how it will turn out. I'm very curious, and of course, I'll let you know

It does indeed seem that I have an acoustic problem. I pushed the couch back quite a bit, sitting about 50cm away from the back wall now. The speakers are positioned farther apart. And it sounds noticeably better. The music has gained a bit more air. The bass goes slightly deeper. And that resonance I occasionally heard seems to be gone now, or at least significantly reduced. I'll listen again tomorrow with "fresh" ears, but this already gives a very positive first impression.

Exactly, I said it wrong I think, that's why I tried to be more clear. Sorry, language barrier sometimes 😉

I have tested two powercords combined with a filter. I really could not hear any different.