Yesfan70

Thanks Amy. Can you still tell me the closest Heritage dealers near the Chattanooga area (besides Georgia Home Theater in Atlanta)? And which of those that will display the Heritage line once orders are put in? BTW....I really appreciate your patience with us. Thanks a lot for the info.

Keep us posted (and anyone else). I would love to read anyone's thoughts on the new Heritage line.

One more thing Amy (if you don't care). Can you find out the nearest Heritage dealer that has the new models on display? Mileage doesn't matter. I live in Cleveland, TN (30 miles NE of Chattanooga) and the closest dealer is Georgia Home Theater in Atlanta. It was the only one the website listed. I did call GHT earlier today, but they only display the Reference line. I'm dying to see the new Heritage and give them a good demo.Thanks.

It's not only "WAF." I prefer the smaller footprint as well. I have been to 3 "Heritage" events recently and love the way the larger speakers sound, but I don't see them catching on for multichannel (size and shielding issues), HT situations. I was told that Klipsch marketing thinks there will be a revitalization of 2 channel listening at the home. As a Klipsch fan I hope they are right, but I don't see that happening on a mass market basis. Don't know if that is true or not, but if you ask me I have thought about going back to 2 channel a lot of times. Think about it. Most of us have one system for two uses, home audio and home theater. I put together my setup around 5.1 DVD-A and SACD (4 KG5.5 towers and a KG4.5 coverted to a bookshelf for center channel duty), but the more I think about it I think I might be better off going back to stereo. Most of my system use is 2 channel stereo listening of my CD collection. I have waaaaaaaay more CDs than I do 5.1 SACDs and DVD-As. Even adding in my DVD movie collection doesn't come close. Those new LaScalas are some of the best looking speakers I have seen. Right up there with Paradigm's Signature Series line. It would be no problem selling all my gear (mainly all my speakers and receiver) and using that for a down payment for the LS2s and a good used tube amp and pre/pro. You people are going to get me divorced! LMAO!!!!

Wow.....Now the threes are out. I like the way they look compared to the Heresy IIs. They look more old schoolish to me. Wonder what the going price is for them and how they compare to the IIs or even the Heresy Is for that matter.

Have to agree......keeping the speakers timbre matched will give you the best results. Identical speakers are your best bet. The Heresys are not that high (just under 22", about 3" taller than my KG2.5 bookshelfs), so they should suffice. About the only thing I would worry about would be the weight, around 37lbs, if it is going to sit on a standard or rear projection TV.

Just a curious question, not shopping or anything. What do you all think about the Heresy IIs? For the price, do you think they compare to the RB-75s? They are about the same for a pair ($1100/pr) give or take a hundred. I know there are a lot of Heritage fans here, so I was curious as to know why the Heresys aren't mentioned more often when one is putting together a system. Not that I think the Reference line is bad (I personally love them), but do you all think an all Heresy line would be a great system to have? And maybe even go a bit further and add some used tube amps, if budget allowed? After all these are from the same model line as the K-Horn and LaSacalas. To me, that would seem like one hell of a system. Anyone else agree/disagree?

I prefer the analog too. It is "more accurate" because you can get to within a 1/2dB going by the needle than having to rely on a digit flashing back and forth to the next and/or previous number for a certain level.

I own three different Denons (AVR-3600 AVR-3803, & DVD-2200), so I feel the same way you do. They have been very reliable, so my next player would be a Denon. The 3803 I have will be my last receiver since I will make the jump to separates when that time comes I would do the same. If the Yamaha has been that reliable, then I don't think you will go wrong buying another one. My 5 disc changer is a Yamaha and I'm still using it. Bought it the same time I bought my Denon AVR-3600 (the receiver I used before getting the 3803). You are already familiar with them, so that's a big plus.

What about angling the center speaker down toward the sweet spot? Just curious.

Have to agree with the others. Unless you are wanting something like a bookshelf or center channel version of the Fortes (or other floorstanders for that matter), or just building a new cabinet due to abuse from a previous owner, I would stay with getting a used set of originals. I have always wondered about the Fortes. Nice looking speakers.

Many many thanks Dylan for posting that article. I take it that going with the 2-ply would be better since it is slightly thicker right? Thanks again fellas. I appreciate it.

I'm fixing to put in an order to Tape Ease. I see it mentioned here quite a bit on the forums, so I might give them a shot. What's the difference between 10mil and 2-ply backer? I'm guessing the veneer I need also would be the flat cut Red Oak finish. Any idea on what finish to use to get the medium oak look on my KG5.5? Feel free to add anything else that I might need to know. Apreciate the help and advice. Thanks.

---------------- On 7/20/2005 6:14:42 AM Frzninvt wrote: There is no such thing as a KV 2.2 you must mean KG 2.2 I would go with the KG series for two reasons, 1) they have 6.5" woofers vs. 5.25", 2) they were designed to mate with KG series speakers. ---------------- I agree. I would even look for the KG2.5. They are a great match for the 5.5s and can be had for about less than $150/pr on ebay.

Do you mean Paradigm's Signature Series line? The Studio Series line is priced closed to Klipsch's Reference Series. I think the Studio 40s are about the same price (give or take a couple of hundred $) as Klipsch's RB-75s.

I agree with Frizninvt and Sfogg. Go into your receiver's menu and turn off the center speaker. This is what is known as running a phantom center and, to me anyways, is your second best choice. Another thing you could do is toe in your speakers and have them aimed toward the listening position. I think you will get better results than going with a different speaker from another model line. When you are about to get the funds, then get the SC-3. I used to have a KV-2 center speaker with a pair of KG5.5s for the front pair. It worked "ok" for a while, but I tried the phantom center route and also toed in my speakers and was floored with how much more detail the front end has. Dialog was much more clearer too. It worked great until I finally came across a pair of KG2.5s. I used one of them as my center until my custom one was built. Try the phantom center route. I think the change will surprise you. Another thing you could do, is look for the bookshelf verison of your speakers and use it as the center speaker. Just aim it down toward the listening position and you are golden. Hope this helps.

If I had the funds and the room for them, that's probably what I would do. Just buy another pair of the RB-75s and go 7.1. I agree with the others though, that it is not as dramatic as going from stereo to 5.1, but it is still noticable none the less.

---------------- On 7/6/2005 8:20:52 AM dboxmeyer wrote: Any guess what Klipsch speakers these are? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61378&item=5786410414&rd=1 ---------------- Those look like a pair of KLF-10s. They look identical to the KG5.5, but sound totally different. They would make great surrounds if you have KLF-20s or 30s upfront. If your system has speakers from the KG line, I would probably look elsewhere.

Wow, I didn't think they went for a grand brand new back then. Thought it would be less. I figured they were cheaper than the KLF line. Didn't the KLF20s or the 30s go for about $1200/pr? I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that was the line that replaced the KGs. Dylan, Yes, I still hang out at the S&V forums. Somebody's got to keep those guys in line, though I think it's really the other way around. Oldtimer, I love the sound of Vinyl, but don't have much of a collection or a good turntable. I do have Chris Squire's Fish Out of Water on Vinyl (as well as CD), but all my Yes stuff is on CD. The DVD-A of Fragile is pretty good.

Just wondering what the retail value of a pair of KG5.5 were back in the 90s. I think I paid around $650/pr for mine. I was skimming through Ebay and saw where this guy has a Buy It Now price for $1250! Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5789405897&category=61378&rd=1

Man, that looks pretty cool! Love the poker table too. Nice!

---------------- On 7/14/2005 5:57:06 PM nuclearay wrote: One trick I remember reading is to put the sub in you listening position then find the spot in the room where the bass is the loudest. Once you find that spot, then put the sub there. That is certainly the cheapest solution (and since you have time on your hands). ---------------- I was going to say the samething, but I assumed he might have already done it. You feel kinda awkward and stupid crawling around on the floor while your sub is in the sweet spot, but it sure does work. Just try doing it before the mrs gets home.

I think Rick B's got it right. I have the same receiver as him, but Denon's 2200 DVD player. Just make sure you have the "Ext IN" selected on your receiver (they should be the same on the 3803 and the 3805). Due to bandwidth issues, you can't get the hi rez 5.1 and stereo tracks so you are forced to use the analog connections. Hope this helps.

It might be possible that you have an "audio only" DVD. Is there an indication that the disc contains "Advance Resolution" sound? If so, then it is a DVD-A. If not, then you may just have a "DAD" or Digital Audio Disc. A couple of years after the release of DVD, you could buy a few discs that were audio only DVDs. The audio on some of these discs have 24 bit/96kHz stereo only tracks. I'm thinking you could still probably use the digital (optical Toslink or coax) connections since the tracks are stereo and not 5.1. Either way whether you have to go analog or digital for the connection, they should be able to play on a conventional DVD player. These discs are different than DVD-Audio. DVD-A (as what has already been said) uses a hi-resolution stereo and 5.1 audio tracks that requires a capable player with a 5.1 output and a receiver or pre/pro with a 5.1 external input. You would need three pairs of RCA cables to hear the Hi resolution 5.1 audio on DVD-As (as well as multichannel SACD discs). Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS (most of the time) tracks are also on DVD-As so they can be played back on conventional DVD players. The difference between these two discs (DAD and DVD-A) mainly is the hi-rez audio on DVD-As is referred to as "Advanced Resolution" sound. Every DVD-A should have that on the back on the jewel case. It is compressed using Meridian Lossless Packing just like Dolby Digital and DTS are used on regular DVDs, but you get 100% of the signal back when it is uncompressed for playback. It is not lossy (hence the name) like DTS and Dolby Digital. The single 24/96 track on a DAD is uncompressed (like CD's 16/44.1 track) since there is no need to conserve space for other tracks, video material, etc. Hope this helps.

---------------- On 7/12/2005 7:01:19 PM scriven wrote: Yesfan, They are measuring an electrical signal using 0dB (the max) as a baseline signal level. That is why all the values are negative. It is not an SPL measurement so asking how "loud" it is doesn't make any sense. ---------------- Appreciate the clarification Scriven. If you go by the graph, what would be the "safe zone" where the change in signal wouldn't be audible?