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Quite honestly, your room is so "open" - multi-use, windows, appliances, irregular, I have to ask - what do you expect to accomplish by adding dedicated acoustical treatments?
FWIW, most "listening" spaces have the most problems in the bass range. If that isn't bothering you in any way then there's probably very little you can do to audibly improve your situation with specialized acoustical treatments.
Good (the best) listening rooms start by having not only adequate size and appropriate proportions, even many angled surfaces (which you already have although this preferably should be symmetrical), they also have a very low noise floor. So, for instance, having an appliance like a refrigerator near by (essentially in the same space) which is generating at least 55dB of midrange noise 80% of the time................. not good.
If you want to try something "acoustical" you might try some large floor to ceiling bass traps in some of the corners as a starting point.
IMHO, running REW on a room like this is a waste of time. If you don't like the way something sounds just use the tone controls, or move your seat a foot or two. Way less time and low cost 😉
As an example - just FYI - in my listening room (purpose built) the noise floor is around 30dB. Even then, that's with the HVAC turned off. The air flow through the ducts will easily add 5dB of noise and that's with the HVAC set the slowest fan speed. Even lights - especially low voltage lighting or anything with transformers, add noise to the room.
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10 hours ago, Bubo said:
Orchestras & Symphonies & Operatic singing were a solution to a problem
No electricity, no electronics and no amplifiers
Well designed theaters and amphitheaters help, but still limited
My observation is individually micd instruments produce the best recordings
Would be interesting to either have live with no electronics or
Reduce the Performance to one amplified instrument of each kind producing a much clearer sound, also eliminating all of the group synchronization problems.
A real feat of composing, conducting and performance would be to divide the orchestra evenly, and have them play inverse to each other, exactly.
Surely you jest 😄😅😂🙃
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On 7/16/2021 at 2:04 PM, Chris A said:
John Eargle (former PWK employee and long-time JBL/Harman engineer) is really the only recording engineer that I can think of that actually did use lots of microphones--and assembling the final mixdown stereo tracks:
Once I demaster one of his albums, I can't believe how good the finished tracks really are. I'm talking about perhaps a dozen albums of his that I've demastered and found some real gold.
Chris
Sorry.
No such thing as "Demastering" - at least not the way you are doing it.
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Yeap. Still available.
Just to clarify the description. These have two plate-like (mirror-like) top getter. I don't know if technically this qualifies as "one" getter or "two".
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On 6/7/2021 at 10:41 AM, Bil said:
OK. I found this ancient thread. Are these tubes still around?
Actually, yes, they are. At least I'm pretty sure they are. Don't remember selling them. I'll check.
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Oh, here we go again. Chris making comments that show how much he really doesn't know (again). Lots of conjectures with little or no evidence to support his conclusions. Chris, I'm sure a guy you has read Danley's patent on the Synergy Horn but just in case you haven't, please do so. If you have, then I have to say that you don't fully understand it. Your very poor attempted execution of trying to make a Synergy Horn out of a K402 with some drivers tacked onto the horn sides proves this. Just like your "de-mastering" BS. If anything deserves the BS button it's your idea of "de-mastering".
The Hyperion looks very similar to the SH50 + Epik subs combo that I've been using for a number years now.
What I'd like to know about the Hyperion is how much of the performance (ie: flatness & smoothness of frequency response and phase response) is achieved through use of DSP (as opposed to physical configuration of drivers/horn design). The built-in amplifiers might also be a draw back for lots of people. We shall have to wait and see I guess.
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Been too way much of this the last year.
See ya at that great gig in the sky, man!
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On 1/14/2021 at 12:18 PM, Shakeydeal said:
When your system "comes together", so to speak, it allows you to listen to less than stellar recordings and still enjoy them for what they are. I accept the bad with the good without the desire to "eq" them. If your system runs you out of the room with mediocre (not horrible) recordings, you have more work to do.
Just be sure not to fall into that age old audio(phile) trap of listening to only excellent versions of terrible music just because they sound good on your system. You know the guy who has a 50K stereo and 100 records. Don't be that guy.........
Shakey
another BING
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On 1/14/2021 at 11:12 AM, jimjimbo said:
Sorry, but have to disagree. It's all related, gear, music choice, recordings, room configuration and acoustics. It's not just one thing.
BING
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On 1/14/2021 at 10:40 AM, babadono said:
Yes Sir this has been the subject of many a post and thread here on the Klipsch Forum. Because Klipsch speakers are very revealing especially of bad recordings. There is a member here who "de masters" recordings to the best he can. Sometimes recordings especially the final mastering is so bad there is not much that can be done. I'll try and find his de mastering thread and post a link to it.
"That member" does not "de master" anything.
It is not possible to "de master" any modern audio recordings using the methods he describes. As a matter of fact, his description, definition of what he is doing merely shows how little he actually knows and how little experience he has regarding audio recording and mastering. This same member obviously loves to spend more time attempting to tweak things he can't do too much about rather than just listen to music. Do what you like. But please, stop this "de mastering" non-sense. You need the original master recording to do this.
Furthermore audio systems which are not properly balanced (in other words have some kind of bias) will tend to exaggerate (or attenuate) certain aspects of system performance. The closer your "system" (which by my definition includes the room) gets to neutral the less annoying so-called "bad recordings" sound.
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18 hours ago, geezin' said:
. Man I missed that sound. Digital stiff is clean but it's cannot compete with analog to me.
No offense. But that's because I'd be willing to bet you've (like most people) never actually heard an all-digital recording/playback system.
That being said, I understand where you're coming from.
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Obviously this depends on YOUR needs and requirements. Nowadays I'm in the less is more state of mind.
IMO the MA5300 would be a great match for a simple Cornwall IV system. The main caveat for me though was no outputs - analog or digital. And for hi-res streaming you'll need to add something like the NAD/Bluesound Node2i.
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I added Dolby Atmos a number of years ago - when Gravity came out on 4K BluRay.
I only have Atmos speakers in front on top of the RF7ii.
I can't say that it adds much. In this configuration it seems a lot like stereo - I have to be in the sweet spot to get the best out of it.
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2 hours ago, billybob said:
Killer Clowns From Outer Space
This is one of fav's.
But I like it so much I often watch it anytime.
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The real James Bond
🎲👈🏎️
Who among us never fantasized about being 007?
Peace be With You, Sir
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I'll start with
IT............and
Death Becomes Her
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I didn’t see this until just now (unfortunately).
Rocco Prestia, bassist for Tower of Power past away September 29, 2020.
This one hits me a little harder than most, for several reasons.
1) We’re about the same age – months apart.
2) A number of years ago one of the best musicians and guitar player I ever knew and played with said to me “Man, you smoked it! That was just like Rocco Prestia!” when we finished the set and left the stage.
Personally, I don't think I've ever played as well as Rocco, and never will. But, it's nice to get that kind of respect.
See you at that great gig in the sky Rocco!!!
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5 hours ago, Chris A said:
Now this is a more involved discussion than just "having a subwoofer vs. not having one". The La Scalas roll-off at too high a frequency for my tastes, and many others here, too. This is about 60-70 Hz at the -3 dB point if located near room corners, and almost 100 Hz if pulled out onto the floor of the room away from the walls. This isn't what I'd call a typical case in hi-fi circles (i.e., we're not talking about home theater-type of setups that require subwoofers and then cross over the fronts to the subs at 80 Hz or higher).
Additionally, I would not use Tom Petty's music as a standard to compare for anything but rock music, which is generated on-stage or in-studio (mostly) over loudspeakers having a great deal of distortion--in fact it's deliberately introduced into the music creation process (but not the music reproduction process). To say that I would use that standard for all the music that could be used for hi-fi comparisons, I don't believe that I could agree with that. I could check the output capability of an unknown set of loudspeakers to make sure that they have the low-distortion dynamic range necessary for something like Tom Petty, but not for the "most hi-fi" music capabilities of the loudspeakers.
If that's where you set your bar all the time, I can see where you might go for something less than what I'd call "hi-fi". I know you're not alone on this forum. I just don't consider that a hi-fi reference music genre. You might.
Chris
That's because you've never played that kind of music. Professionally, or otherwise. Never been in a recording studio, recording it, either, have you. Nor are you a bass player. I am. And I agree with Carl on the Tom Petty thing.
Good subs help full-out the bottom end and give the "added weight" to the bottom that even an acoustic upright bass produces.
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19 minutes ago, Gilbert said:
What's a famous/popular song that includes a Rickenbacker?
Lot's of Beatles songs - You Can't Do That - Ticket To Ride - If I Needed Someone
The Byrds used them extensively too - Eight Miles High
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20 hours ago, BigStewMan said:
black beauty
This one does it for me ❤️
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Man, another one!
I'm a man. Gimme Some Lovin'
See you at that great gig in the sky!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I saw a YouTube video with a guy reviewing new Klipschorn AK6 (closed back) and complained about a the same thing. And from the look of those grills something went awry at quality control.
IMHO Klipsch make a mistake by making those grills project out from the front of the cabinet. Seems like an excellent way to tear and bruise the edges of the grill.
I know some here disagree about the need for using subwoofers with the large Heritage speakers. But, after having used Klipschorns for decades in a near optimal acoustically tuned room the addition of subwoofers (four 2x15) really made for a much more realistic listening experience - provided the recording has this kind of low frequency program material. Most LP do not because of acoustical-mechanical-tonearm/pickup resonance problems encountered for "most" people. On a lot of more recent recordings, even C&W stars like Emmy Lou Harris (Spyboy) have synthesizer sounds that go WAY DOWN.
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On 10/19/2020 at 3:00 AM, Avbryt said:
Hi, it is the first version!
I will check the 390 out!
I wonder if there is a mode so I can use the power from both 3020s that I have...?
There is - sort of. But probably not what you're looking to do.
"The innovative split of pre- and power-amplifier sections allows the use of the pre-amp stage to drive multiple power amplifiers in parallel, or use long signal cables to connect to remote power amplifiers or powered speakers.[14] This facility became hugely popular with audiophiles, who would seek to isolate this "remarkably fine-sounding preamp section", to use with one or more external power amplifiers" - Wikipedia
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On 10/7/2020 at 10:57 PM, dwilawyer said:
Help, what's NAS drive?
Network Area Storage (unit). Hard drive storage that connects directly to your home network without a "computer".
Room treatment
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Ditto 👍