samcat Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Thank-You for your input with my original post(Need Help With Entire System).I learned alot for a beginner.Unfortunately my taste is bigger than my $6,000 can budget.I was going for the Klipsch Reference. Front,rf-3 Rear,rb-3 Center,rc-3 PW-2200 Denon,3802 Now i am looking at the Synergy. Front,sf-2,Tower Rear,sb-2 rc-3..? KSW-15 or PW-2200...? Denon,3802 I would like to keep the Denon 3802.My questions are: How big a diff.between ref.& synergy? Should i upgrade my center to rc-3? Also which sub do i go to? There's about $700.00 diff.This would keep me within my budget. Thanking you again.Samcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Get an Outlaw 1050 and the Reference speakers .... you will be very glad you did. ------------------ Soundog's HT Systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aab3rd Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I would not go with the RC-3 with the Synergy set-up. I would opt for the Paradigm sub. It is a better sub than the KSW-15. The only thing else I would say is that even if I had to hold out a little longer I would get the Reference line. You will be happier in the long run. One way to save some money at first is to not get the center and use phantom mode for center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggs Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by soundog: Get an Outlaw 1050 and the Reference speakers .... you will be very glad you did. Ditto. I'm surprised that when someone mentions purchasing a receiver that hardly anyone ever mentions the Outlaw. IMO, it's a fantastic buy. ------------------ Denon AVR-2800 KG-4 mains (too bad the rest of my speakers aren't this good) Polk C-175 center (it's ok) Infinity RS-10 Surrounds (suck) Audiosource SW-15 subwoofer (excellent sub for it's price) Pioneer DV333 DVD Sony 5 disc CD player All in a 12x12 apartment bedroom. "What?! I can't hear you!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 Outlaw isn't such an amazing buy for us canadians, when you factor in the cost of shipping, the exchange rate, and duty... ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/sebdavid - go laugh at my crappy website/equipment http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mc.asp?alias=Sebdavid - go laugh at my puny little DVD collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samcat Posted February 19, 2002 Author Share Posted February 19, 2002 Thanks for the suggestions.I would like to keep the Denon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samcat Posted February 19, 2002 Author Share Posted February 19, 2002 The Reference system is over by $670.00I could drop down to a lower model Denon 2802,it's $600.00 cheaper or go without the center $525.00 for now?Damm this 15%...... Thanks Samcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samcat Posted February 19, 2002 Author Share Posted February 19, 2002 Thanks for the suggestions.I would like to keep the Denon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 Are you paying list for the 3802? I got my 3801 a year ago and and paid $800 for it.Do a price search,mysimon.com and such. It was $1200 new.Then go with the Reference.Budget or not,get what you want anyway you can or you will be upgrading and paying more later on. I have 3 Denon recievers and have never had any trouble with them,AVR-2000,2800&3801. The Outlaw I have heard is nice,but I have Denon and hope to up that to Aragon. ------------------ Main HT:'77 Klipschorns w/ALKs, '75 Heresy center,modified with,K-Horn sqauwker & AA network. KSP-S6 at sides 2 KSP-S6's rear. Denon AVR-3801 2 Denon POA-2800 200X2 1 driving the Horns 1 driving the bi-wired Heresy center. 2 DIY 12"4ohm subs,Carver A500x 400 watts per ch.feed. Sony DVP-C650D. Dishnetwork Echostar 4700 w/DD JVC S7600U S-VHS Pioneer CDL-D501 laser Music in "Direct"only! DH Labs T-14 speaker wire to the front 3. Room size;15.5 X 25' opening into dining room. Old RCA 52"RPTV w/matching cabinets Bed room HT: KSB 2.1 mains,SC-1,SS-1's,2 SW 8 II subs. Cornwall Is for music only Denon AVR-2800, Dishnetwork,Sony SLV-975HF VCR,Panasonic DVD-RV31. 27"RCA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samcat Posted February 20, 2002 Author Share Posted February 20, 2002 Thanks Steve I am going with your advice.The 3802 list price is $1,950 & 2802 is $1,450 The prices i have are $1,799 for the 3802 & $1,299 for the 2802.These prices are canadian also on top are 15%.I've just found a store that has both Denon & Klipsch.Hopefully getting everything but the pw-2200 i will be able to get a better price! Samcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 yes you should. ask them to drop the price of the receiver by at least 50-100 bucks, and to lower the price of the speakers as well. You are buying the speakers at the same time, and the markup on speakers is huge. If you need cable, that's another thing that adds to your bargaining power, markup is huge on that too. email me if you need more info on that kind of stuff. sebdavid@email.com ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/sebdavid - go laugh at my crappy website/equipment http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mc.asp?alias=Sebdavid - go laugh at my puny little DVD collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Other options NAD T751 or 761 HT receivers I hear are reasonably priced in Canada Outlaw 1050 is still a good deal even in Canadian dollars. A tough competitor to Dennon. HSU VTF2 or Adire Audio Rava or DIY kit from Parts Express sub can be had for $ 400 or $500 USD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffgeorge Posted February 23, 2002 Share Posted February 23, 2002 samcat, You could go with the reference speakers and Denon 3801 and hold off on a sub for now. I have made the mistake of going for the lower line of Klipsch in the past (older Synergy series). I can't say they were not good, in fact, compared to most speakers on the market, they are excellent, but they just were not the Reference series. The Reference series has a refined quality that is impossible to find at anywhere close to their price range. I find that the RF-3's are very satisfying for music and movies without a sub. Granted, movies do sound better with the sub, but I think if you are wanting an excellent system from the start and you need to save a little $$, go with the full Reference line minus the sub. That of course is mt 2 cents. ------------------ RF-3's : mains RC-3 : center RS-3's : surrounds KSW-12: subwoofer Receiver: Denon 2801 DVD: Panasonic DVD-A120 CD: Yamaha CDC-765 Cables: Tributaries Sat Receiver: Hughes Direct-TV DD5.1 ------------------------- Family room: RB-5's (Mahogony) Receiver: Denon AVR-2000 (2ch.) Amp: Onkyo M-5000 (2ch.) CD Player: Yamaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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