M.H Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 Hello.. Sorry for my sad english,but i will do my best.. I have just bought a set Klipsch RF-3 speakers,, I'm really glad with it..great sound.. But when i read some forum's i hear that most people have there speakers about 1 meter from the back wall.. Because of how i have put my furniture i can put the speakers maximum 25 centimeter from the back wall.. What distance must i use at least??? Is 25 centimeter enough?? I have moved the speakers more away from the wall just for testing.. And i think the low frequencies sounds a little better.. Can any one help me??? What is the best distance for these type os speakers?? And are there any tips for better soundquality?? Hope u can help me Thx so far.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowooo Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 M.H.......Your well on your way now....There's no magic number/distance for any speaker. Every room is different therefore the best thing to do is what your doing now. Try a few different positions and do some listening. It might take awhile to find the best spot and some recordings might sound better with the speakers closer/farther/etc. to the walls. Experiment a little. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.H Posted April 16, 2001 Author Share Posted April 16, 2001 Thx for responding There is 1 problem.. How i put my speakers now is basically the only option i have.. My room is 9m long and 5.20 m width.. When i listen there is a gab of 5.20 m between me and the speakers... But my room is filled with furniture.. So i dont have many options to replace my speakers... Thats why i can set the speakers 25 centimeter at max from the wall.. I was just wondering if this distance was terrible wrong.. And i dont think there are any more options to upgrade the sound quality?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Garrison Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 The best thing you can do is experiment. Even small changes in the position of the speakers may make large changes in the way they sound. It depends upon a lot of things - how solid your room is, what type of furniture you have, how much the sound reflects off the walls, how loud you listen, many other factors. If you try moving the speakers much further out into the room, or much closer to the wall, even if this is only temporary because you cannot leave them there, you will get an idea of whether it is changing the sound a lot. Without knowing a lot more about your room and the things in the room, it is very hard to predict what will happen. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huub Hierck Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 En nu in het nederlands. Welkom op deze site. MH uit eigen ervaring heb ik geleerd dat je je speakers niet direct in de hoek neer moet zetten. Ook haaks op de muur geeft een zeer vreemde bas. Het beste wat ik nu heb is dat de beide speakers wat naar binnen gedraaid staan zodat de bass onder een hoek op de muur kan reflecteren. Bij mij viel het vooral op als ik in het midden dicht tegen de muur ging staan dat had ik een zeer onnatuurlijke bass. Door de RF-3 te draaien naar de luister positie werd dit effect verminderd. Als je ook een RC-3 (center speaker) hebt dan kan het effect nog vermiderd worden door deze er bij te gebruiken. Maar zoals andere reeds gezegd hebben is het moeilijk om een kant en klare oplossing te geven. Experimenteer met de opstelling. Mijn speakers staan vrij dicht tegen de muur aan, en dit is naar volle tevredenheid. Yamaha DSP-A1 RF-3 RC-3 RS-3 Monster kabels Sorry guys I did this in dutch because it is a bit easier for me as well. I explained in dutch how I placed my speakers and which difficulties I have encountered with the placement of the speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 huub, you're english is still much better than my dutch (sorry, love that line ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Favog Posted April 16, 2001 Share Posted April 16, 2001 M.H. Try starting with the speakers closest to the back wall (about 2cm.) and move them out 2cm at a time and listen to them between moves. The magic number for my KLF-20's is 7 inches (about 17cm.). The distance from the side wall can matter too. For mine that number is 8 inches (about 20cm.). After that there is the amount of tilting in that sounds best to you. When you sit and listen to them you should be looking down the center of the speakers. I know what you mean about wanting them to sound better, I would start off with better speaker cables. It's the least expensive and if you get better equipment in the future then it will be one less thing to worry about. I recently found that isolating your equipment from vibration from the speakers can help a lot. I found a sheet of very dense foam rubber about 2 cm thick and cut it in 6 cm. circles with a sharp X-acto knife (No. 11 blade) and put a circle under each foot of each unit. This made a big difference with the tweeters sounding better. But now I have a little less bass. Time to experiment some more!! Some people like making all these adjustments but I don't. I just like to play music and be impressed. Have fun!! ------------------ Tom KLF-20 Mahogany Carver Receiver MXR-150 Yamaha PF-800 Turntable/ Sure V15 Type V Cartridge Carver TL-3100 CD Yamaha K-1020 Cassette dbx 1231 EQ dbx 3bx Series Two (mothballed) H.H. Scott 830z Analyzer Monster Interlink 300 mk II Original 12ga. Monster Cable dbx 200 (mothballed) dbx nx-40 (can't believe I still own this thing! Mothballed) Technics R&B Series SB-7 (mothballed) Technics R&B Series SB-3 (mothballed) Yamaha NS-W2 (mothballed) SAE 5000A (mothballed but perfect shape) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 tblasing is "right on" when it comes to isolating vibrations. If you have difficulty finding appropriately dense isolating material, try www.dynamat.com and make your own pads. I like a double layer... try not to get any air pockets while joining the adhesive layers. It also does well with a layer of heavy felt on the sticky side. A double layer provides an acoustic loss factor of 0.42 at 68F. It is good for insolating stacked speakers such as the center channel above a TV. Note that the product was intended to be used against sheetmetal in auto installations... so be forewarned before you attach it directly to your speakers, gear or furniture. HornEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.H Posted April 18, 2001 Author Share Posted April 18, 2001 Thx again for all youre help =)).. Yesterday i have removed my rubber spikes and replaced it for real metal spikes.. I think it sound's more clearly now.. The low frequency is better detailed.. It doesnt make that big differend,but it help a little.. In the near future i will buy better speakercables.. Now i use the most cheap 2,5mm cable i could find =)) (sorry guy's..i am a newbie..didnt knew it would make that big difference).. I shall try what u told me. Isolate the vibrations..(does it really make any difference???)... I will let u know the results.. Thx again for the reply's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 18, 2001 Share Posted April 18, 2001 i found putting the spikes into the feet of the rf-3 works best (as opposed to screwing the spikes directly into the cabinets). just in case. ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster S-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.H Posted April 18, 2001 Author Share Posted April 18, 2001 Hi Boa12.. Thx for youre reply =) I see u have the KLF-30?? Amazing..i am thinking of buying that speaker =)).. Because the FR-3 is brand new now,i can bring them back and get my full money back.. They dont have those speakers in the show room,so i can't listen to them.. I know that i have to listen them by myself,but can u pls tell me youre opinion is of those speakers??? They cost over here almost 3 times more then the RF-3.. So i am in a little conflict with my self.. Is the stap forward big enough to spend such a lot of money So is there a very big difference between the RF-3 and the KLF-30??? I hope u can give me youre opinion about the good and the bad of those speakers.. Greetings Melvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 18, 2001 Share Posted April 18, 2001 m.h., in my opinion of course (our ears, tastes, preferences may vary) these klf-30 will rock, roll, & slam u to a much greater extent than rf-3, especially if u listen to something like AC/DC "shook me all night long" or about any explosion w/ HT. the specs also show that these are louder more efficient speaks. i think the extra $ are more than worth it, but of course u should listen & try em before committing. though it looks like the legends are being phased out for the new reference this summer, so they may not be available new for much longer. ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster S-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huub Hierck Posted April 18, 2001 Share Posted April 18, 2001 BOA12 and MH, If I look to my setup with the Reference speakers RF-3, RC-3 and RS-3 if I play my amp DSP-A1 on little less than half power the music is overpowering. If I play Jazzanova it is simply not possible to stay in the room because the sound is to loud, no distortion what so ever. The same applies to DVD's. So I would suggest to MH stay with the RF-3 and spend your money on CD's or DVD's. So BOA12 my question to you would you hear the difference between a KLF-20 and a Reference RF-3 on low volume settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 18, 2001 Share Posted April 18, 2001 hey i now have both so i'll just say they have their differences. have to listen more at low volume & i'll report back - for me low volume is less than 100db. & i like loud rock & loud everything. a downside of course is the cost of the klf-30; about another $1k (msrp). plus the legends aren't shielded so i now have glue on my hands everybody has a different sense of value & hearing. they both are great sounding speaks. ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster S-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.H Posted April 19, 2001 Author Share Posted April 19, 2001 Again thx for the reply's.. But what Huub Hierck is saying is also what i would like to know.. I dont care how many decibel a speaker can produce.. I am very happy with the RF-3..great speakers.. But what i am looking for is a more "real life feeling" in a speaker (if u know what i mean). I had that feeling when i heard the La Scala playing by a friend.. It really impressed me... That same guy told me that the KLF-30 came close to the La Scala with that sound.. So next week i go the another shop and listen to the KLF-30 and the Heresy.. I'm curious what i will hear =) I will let u know.. Greetings M.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 20, 2001 Share Posted April 20, 2001 ok, i've spent some time listening to both the klf & the rf-3 & imo the klf has more presence at lower volume (like 1 watt). whether it's an additional $1k worth of presence is up to the listener. & it is for this one - i'll keep the rf-3 in the smaller room. remember, all I ever said was the spike/foot thing. m.h. asked my opinion. ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster S-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.H Posted April 21, 2001 Author Share Posted April 21, 2001 Thx again Boa12 I'm happy u gave me youre opinion... But i have to confess that i am a little surprised.. If i get u right u dont hear that much difference between the RF3 and the KLF30???.. No better details?? No more space feeling??(dont know the right word for it ).. No better detail in low??.. No better sound quality at all??????????... Because that's what i had in mind.. I have red some other forums about the KLF30 and what i thought whas hat the KLF30 had a overall better sound quality.. But if i get u right it only beats the RF3 at at lower volume... Hmm...No5t what i had in mind .. Well tuesday i go to the store to listen for myself.. I'm curious now what i will hear... Thx for helping me... Greetings Melvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 melvin, what??? - see my previous posts on this thread. best to hear for yourself in your listening room using the same inputs (A/B comparison). ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster S-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.H Posted April 21, 2001 Author Share Posted April 21, 2001 Yes..youre right about that,, If have to listen for my self.. But first i go hear it in the store.. And when i am still interested in the speakers i try to test them at home.. .. Maybe i did understood u wrong but how u told me,it sounded like there was not much quality difference between the KLF30 and the RF3...(shoot me if i am wrong).. I hope u are wrong .. Greetings..Melvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted April 21, 2001 Share Posted April 21, 2001 yes mh I think u misunderstood me. all in all i said, in a nutshell & imho, the klf-30 have more slam, presence & better sound quality than the rf-3 at any volume level & whether listening to AC/DC or the 1812 Overture. but they cost about $1K(american) more. i wouldn't try claiming the klf-30 sound better than khorns which cost thousands more in the same regard. but don't let my opinion bias your hearing ------------------ Klipsch KLF-30 (front), KLF-C7, Cornwall I (rear) Velodyne HGS-18 sub woofer Monsterbass 400 sub interconnect & Monster S-12 cable Sony STR-DE935 a/v receiver Sony DVP-C650D cd/dvd player Sony Trinitron 27" stereo tv Toshiba hi-fi stereo vcr Technics dual cassette deck Technics direct drive turntable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2000 digital cable box 2nd room: Klipsch RF-3 (front), RC-3, cheap little Technics (rear) Kenwood KR-9600 AM/FM stereo receiver (vintage '75) Teac PD-D1200 5-disk cd player Sega Genesis game player Sub: None yet rock on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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