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Musical DIY sub for Lascala


Frode

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The price isn't very important, if I can't afford it now, I'll have to wait. Besides, prices and availability are very different in Norway compared to USA. A RSW-12 costs ~2700 US$. But to give you a guideline I would say 600-800$ plus amplification. It CAN be cheaper. Size is more important, something like the LABHorn is too big.

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$2700 for an RSW-12?? That's totally INSANE! I see why you would want to go DIY.

I would suggest an enlosure built to accomodate a Stryke AV-15, Adire Tumult, or maybe a Dayton Titanic driver (all 15" drivers). I would not even consider using a 12" driver, because the sub is going to have to keep up with La Scalas, right? You're going to have to be able move a lot of air for that. My AV-15 sub is tuned to 20 Hz, but it does great with music. You might want to have the tune on yours a bit higher if it's only for music & not HT, maybe 30-35 Hz...

How confident are you in your woodworking/sub building skills? There are options available. Would you want to get an unassembled kit and put that together or do you intend to build the sub "from scratch"?

There are companies over here you can buy kits from, from totally unassembled to "pre-finished" (you paint/veneer it), and for slightly more they will throw it together for you. Shipping to Norway might incur a bit of a charge, but with prices on subs like you evidently have there, in comparison it would probably be acceptable.

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I'm thinking of building it "from scratch", just like I did with my Lascala bass bins. I'm looking for drivers and designs that are suitable for me. Buying from "over there" is probably the only solution, since the Peerless XLS is about the best I can get in Norway. Pro drivers like Beyma, RCF, JBL, Eminence, Fane and B&C are available, but then the cabinet is getting bigger again.

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If it were me, I would go for dual Stryke AV-15 subs in 24" (interior) cubes (with double thick 3/4" MDF) and 400-700 watts amplification each, with either one or two PRs. These are relatively large enclosures. Mine weighs in at 140 some lbs...

OR for a smaller enclosure, go for an Adire Tumult, but the Tumult will need roughly double the amplification. The Tumult is an ultra-low distortion driver (new XBL^2 technology) and would be highly "musical" I suspect, not that the AV-15 isn't. Both of these drivers are backordered at the present time (I had to wait several months for my AV-15), and as of yet there are no published performance numbers for an "in-use" Tumult. I think a pre-order may still be on for the AV-15 at Acoustic Visions.

I paid $165 for my AV-15, the Tumult is around $500.

You can check out the driver's specs at the Acoustic Visions or Stryke website, probably plans to fit each also. I had Stryke put mine together, so I personally haven't had to deal with the plan aspect.1.gif

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I'm not overly familiar with european DIY stores, but i did see that Adire products are available in Germany at competitive prices... take a look at places like:

LSV Achenbach:

http://www.lsv-achenbach.de/shop2/index.htm

LS Wagner:

http://www.ls-wagner.de/lsw40/haupt_frame.php4

Adire has a list of other contries at:

http://www.adireaudio.com/dealers/dealers.htm#EUROPE

Sorry i didn't see any Norway Shops... but you never know.... Depending on shipping, duty, taxes, and brokerage... they may be a more attractive source.

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On 5/21/2003 4:37:24 PM Frode wrote:

I've just checked the price on the Tumult at LS Wagner in Germany. It costs 880$, so I guess it would be cheaper to buy it from Adire. I don't think the shipping would be 380$ more from USA.

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I think you'd be better off getting it from Adire too. Adire could probably tell you real quick what shipping a Tumult to Germany would be...probably a tenth of the difference...

The Tumult is the "cutting edge" subwoofer driver at the moment, so new that people are still waiting for their Tumults from the original pre-order. You'll be WAY ahead of the curve with a sub made around this 9.gif.

If you do decide to go with a Tumult, let us know what type of enclosure/alignment you go with, and eventually some performance numbers, of course...

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I checked the price on the RSW-12, and it is actually 2855$. The Tumult is very interesting, and could probably work very well in a sealed enclosure of ~3.5 cu.ft. Some EQ could be added(if needed). This is not the ultimate sub, but I think it could make me happy.

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On 5/22/2003 10:50:10 AM Frode wrote:

I checked the price on the RSW-12, and it is actually 2855$. The Tumult is very interesting, and could probably work very well in a sealed enclosure of ~3.5 cu.ft. Some EQ could be added(if needed). This is not the ultimate sub, but I think it could make me happy.

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2855$? @*%%!! Just one Tumult would eat the RSW-12 for breakfast,lunch, AND dinner. Plus you could have dual (dueling)Tumult subs for that price.

Of course it would not be an "ultimate" sub, but should be enough for any reasonably sane and intelligent person. And for the $1200-1500 you would wind up paying for it (and given appropriate amplification), I'm fairly sure it would compare quite fovorably to those "ultimate subs" in the $5,000 range (and maybe above, I do not know, I have never personally heard an "ultimate" sub...or a Tumult, for that matter...)

My ultimate sub would be dual (stereo) 2-Tumult subs in appropriate alignments to handle 3200 watts each, but something like that would probably be capable of causing multiple organ failure resulting in the death of the listener(s). And is not really a sane option. No one really needs that much bass...

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On 5/21/2003 10:02:32 AM Frode wrote:

I'm thinking of building it "from scratch", just like I did with my Lascala bass bins. I'm looking for drivers and designs that are suitable for me. Buying from "over there" is probably the only solution, since the Peerless XLS is about the best I can get in Norway. Pro drivers like Beyma, RCF, JBL, Eminence, Fane and B&C are available, but then the cabinet is getting bigger again.

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Frode,

What can you get the Peerless XLS for?

It is a woofer worth consideration. Dual Peerless 12's in a 5 cu ft enclosure tuned to 28hz XLS12's gives high output down to 30hz. You should also consider doing something like a push-pull design with two(or more) woofers to eliminate even order harmonics.

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