Frode Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I would like to build a sub(maybe 2?) for my LS. They are only used for music, not HT. The room is around 215sq.ft. Does anyone have any suggestions? TIA Frode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanton8 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I can give you some suggestions. First, how much do you want to spend, including amplification? (HINT: a good sub will do both music AND HT well...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frode Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 The price isn't very important, if I can't afford it now, I'll have to wait. Besides, prices and availability are very different in Norway compared to USA. A RSW-12 costs ~2700 US$. But to give you a guideline I would say 600-800$ plus amplification. It CAN be cheaper. Size is more important, something like the LABHorn is too big. Frode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanton8 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 $2700 for an RSW-12?? That's totally INSANE! I see why you would want to go DIY. I would suggest an enlosure built to accomodate a Stryke AV-15, Adire Tumult, or maybe a Dayton Titanic driver (all 15" drivers). I would not even consider using a 12" driver, because the sub is going to have to keep up with La Scalas, right? You're going to have to be able move a lot of air for that. My AV-15 sub is tuned to 20 Hz, but it does great with music. You might want to have the tune on yours a bit higher if it's only for music & not HT, maybe 30-35 Hz... How confident are you in your woodworking/sub building skills? There are options available. Would you want to get an unassembled kit and put that together or do you intend to build the sub "from scratch"? There are companies over here you can buy kits from, from totally unassembled to "pre-finished" (you paint/veneer it), and for slightly more they will throw it together for you. Shipping to Norway might incur a bit of a charge, but with prices on subs like you evidently have there, in comparison it would probably be acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frode Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 I'm thinking of building it "from scratch", just like I did with my Lascala bass bins. I'm looking for drivers and designs that are suitable for me. Buying from "over there" is probably the only solution, since the Peerless XLS is about the best I can get in Norway. Pro drivers like Beyma, RCF, JBL, Eminence, Fane and B&C are available, but then the cabinet is getting bigger again. Frode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanton8 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 If it were me, I would go for dual Stryke AV-15 subs in 24" (interior) cubes (with double thick 3/4" MDF) and 400-700 watts amplification each, with either one or two PRs. These are relatively large enclosures. Mine weighs in at 140 some lbs... OR for a smaller enclosure, go for an Adire Tumult, but the Tumult will need roughly double the amplification. The Tumult is an ultra-low distortion driver (new XBL^2 technology) and would be highly "musical" I suspect, not that the AV-15 isn't. Both of these drivers are backordered at the present time (I had to wait several months for my AV-15), and as of yet there are no published performance numbers for an "in-use" Tumult. I think a pre-order may still be on for the AV-15 at Acoustic Visions. I paid $165 for my AV-15, the Tumult is around $500. You can check out the driver's specs at the Acoustic Visions or Stryke website, probably plans to fit each also. I had Stryke put mine together, so I personally haven't had to deal with the plan aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanton8 Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I forgot about the Stryke HE-15 driver. That may be a very good driver for your sub also. There's another thread going on here as we speak re: a Tumult/HE15 based sub... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Look at partsexpress.com and at their plate amps and 15" sub kits. I'd build 2 for La Scalas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 I'm not overly familiar with european DIY stores, but i did see that Adire products are available in Germany at competitive prices... take a look at places like: LSV Achenbach: http://www.lsv-achenbach.de/shop2/index.htm LS Wagner: http://www.ls-wagner.de/lsw40/haupt_frame.php4 Adire has a list of other contries at: http://www.adireaudio.com/dealers/dealers.htm#EUROPE Sorry i didn't see any Norway Shops... but you never know.... Depending on shipping, duty, taxes, and brokerage... they may be a more attractive source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frode Posted May 21, 2003 Author Share Posted May 21, 2003 I've just checked the price on the Tumult at LS Wagner in Germany. It costs 880$, so I guess it would be cheaper to buy it from Adire. I don't think the shipping would be 380$ more from USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 LSV Achenbach: 600,00 EURO it's under the "Lautsprecher Hifi" section and "Adire" but my German isn't very good... For a reference, shipping from western Canada to Eastern Canada is 65$cnd because of the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 What European driver companies do you guys have over there? Quad Dynaudio 12's (30 cm.) could be cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanton8 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 ---------------- On 5/21/2003 4:37:24 PM Frode wrote: I've just checked the price on the Tumult at LS Wagner in Germany. It costs 880$, so I guess it would be cheaper to buy it from Adire. I don't think the shipping would be 380$ more from USA. ---------------- I think you'd be better off getting it from Adire too. Adire could probably tell you real quick what shipping a Tumult to Germany would be...probably a tenth of the difference... The Tumult is the "cutting edge" subwoofer driver at the moment, so new that people are still waiting for their Tumults from the original pre-order. You'll be WAY ahead of the curve with a sub made around this . If you do decide to go with a Tumult, let us know what type of enclosure/alignment you go with, and eventually some performance numbers, of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frode Posted May 22, 2003 Author Share Posted May 22, 2003 I checked the price on the RSW-12, and it is actually 2855$. The Tumult is very interesting, and could probably work very well in a sealed enclosure of ~3.5 cu.ft. Some EQ could be added(if needed). This is not the ultimate sub, but I think it could make me happy. Frode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstanton8 Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 ---------------- On 5/22/2003 10:50:10 AM Frode wrote: I checked the price on the RSW-12, and it is actually 2855$. The Tumult is very interesting, and could probably work very well in a sealed enclosure of ~3.5 cu.ft. Some EQ could be added(if needed). This is not the ultimate sub, but I think it could make me happy. Frode ---------------- 2855$? @*%%!! Just one Tumult would eat the RSW-12 for breakfast,lunch, AND dinner. Plus you could have dual (dueling)Tumult subs for that price. Of course it would not be an "ultimate" sub, but should be enough for any reasonably sane and intelligent person. And for the $1200-1500 you would wind up paying for it (and given appropriate amplification), I'm fairly sure it would compare quite fovorably to those "ultimate subs" in the $5,000 range (and maybe above, I do not know, I have never personally heard an "ultimate" sub...or a Tumult, for that matter...) My ultimate sub would be dual (stereo) 2-Tumult subs in appropriate alignments to handle 3200 watts each, but something like that would probably be capable of causing multiple organ failure resulting in the death of the listener(s). And is not really a sane option. No one really needs that much bass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabulousfrankie Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 ---------------- On 5/21/2003 10:02:32 AM Frode wrote: I'm thinking of building it "from scratch", just like I did with my Lascala bass bins. I'm looking for drivers and designs that are suitable for me. Buying from "over there" is probably the only solution, since the Peerless XLS is about the best I can get in Norway. Pro drivers like Beyma, RCF, JBL, Eminence, Fane and B&C are available, but then the cabinet is getting bigger again. Frode ---------------- Frode, What can you get the Peerless XLS for? It is a woofer worth consideration. Dual Peerless 12's in a 5 cu ft enclosure tuned to 28hz XLS12's gives high output down to 30hz. You should also consider doing something like a push-pull design with two(or more) woofers to eliminate even order harmonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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