whell Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 I've seen folks posting that they are buying equipment/speakers to set up a 7.1 system. I have to ask (devils advocate, etc.): Why? I'm not seeing the software right now in the pipeline that justifies the expense. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 My Denon AVR-4800 runs in 7 channel stereo mode all the time for regular listening, CD, Satellite Dish, etc. Of course 7.1 has not hit the DVD format market yet, I have the additional speakers already in place for it. 2 Mains, 1 Center, 2 Rear Surrounds (A), 2 Effects/Side Surrounds, 2 Rear Surrounds (, plus 2 subwoofers. It adds additional ambience when watching items in DD 6.1, or DTS ES so why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonrpayne Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 Won't most dolby ex and dts-es receivers extrapolate the extra channel of information from a 6.1 source if you want? It's not faithful reproduction because you're inventing a channel thats not there though? Or, do they just play the same rear channel data through both rear surrounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-malotky Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 You need the right processor. The Lexicon I use for HT turns the 5.1 signal into 7.1 and does an amazing job. I ran it in 5.1 for a while and I like the 7.1 much better. FYI - it can turn 2.0 into 7.1 as well. I have listened to some Techno and it is fun sounding in 7.1. Organ music is wild in 7.1. JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whell Posted June 18, 2003 Author Share Posted June 18, 2003 Still, its reproducing the music in a way that is not intended by the artist/producer/engineer, etc. If one enjoys the effect generated by the added signal processing, then more power to them. I guess that I'm a stick in the mud: don't want to add anything to the signal that is not already there, and getting the most faithful reproduction of the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 Do you honestly think that music recording engineers record on only two channels? It is originally mixed in numerous tracks and mixed down, you are not hearing the original sound as it was recorded it has already been manipulated and remixed by engineers. My Denon uses NO signal processing to my knowledge when running in 7 channel mode it just takes the two channel signal and matrixes it into 7 channels. It sounds very good and much more realistic than a simple 2-channel system. Purists - Bah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-malotky Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 ---------------- On 6/18/2003 10:59:14 AM whell wrote: Still, its reproducing the music in a way that is not intended by the artist/producer/engineer, etc. If one enjoys the effect generated by the added signal processing, then more power to them. I guess that I'm a stick in the mud: don't want to add anything to the signal that is not already there, and getting the most faithful reproduction of the music. ---------------- I thought this was the HT forum? By golly it is. For a min I thought I was in the 2 ch forum. JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor.Ham.Slap Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 I have to agree with everyone here. I think that it is worth 7.1 because it adds some nice definition to music, movies etc. But if you think 7.1 is crazy, the Sunfire Cinema Grand III processor can produce 9.1 (the final two channels are matrixed out of 6 or 7.1 mixes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whell Posted June 19, 2003 Author Share Posted June 19, 2003 Frzninvt: Hate to burst a bubble here but your Denon is using a ton of signal processing to convert a 2 channel signal into 7 channels, especially if the processing requires an analog signal to be converted to digital for processing purposes. If course I recognize that recording engineers use multi-track equipment to create a two channel recording. This has been the standard in the industry since the 1960's. However, the INTENT of the mixing process since stereo has been to acheive a multi-dimensional effect with two channels. To create 7 channels, the master tapes are re-accessed, and the recording is "re-engineered" to acheive a mutli-dimensional effect in 7 channels. Much of what is being made available now in mutli-channel music are re-issues of classic recordings, that were originally recorded and mixed for 2 channel. Few recordings were originally recorded and mixed with the participation of the artist with the intent of producing multiple channels (originally quadrophonic). Steve Miller's Fly Like and Eagle comes to mind as an example of something that has been re-released in multi-channel, and was originally available and recorded for quadrophonic reproduction. I own a few of these reissues, and I'm listening to then now in 5.1. While the presentation is unique, I don't think the presentation is beleivable, what with some instruments coming from behind me (when was the last time your were at a concert and the musicians were behind you?). Just my $0.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DillonW Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 (when was the last time your were at a concert and the musicians were behind you?). Just my $0.02. ---------------- What? You never had a backstage pass? Now you can experience the GOOD seats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danechristian Posted June 20, 2003 Share Posted June 20, 2003 ---------------- On 6/18/2003 9:51:50 AM j-malotky wrote: You need the right processor. The Lexicon I use for HT turns the 5.1 signal into 7.1 and does an amazing job. I ran it in 5.1 for a while and I like the 7.1 much better. FYI - it can turn 2.0 into 7.1 as well. I have listened to some Techno and it is fun sounding in 7.1. Organ music is wild in 7.1. JM ---------------- i agree lexicon has some good preamps for HT as well as music also I LOVE THE LOGIC 7 feature.. and also the LOGIC music also.. yehh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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