meuge Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 History For the past month or so I've been trying out various options for integrating my HSU VTF-2 subwoofer into my 2-channel system. My RF-3IIs reach pretty deep, but their bass just lacked the musical reach or the punch I was looking for. I originally purchased the subwoofer about a month ago and had done so out of impulse when I found one for only $300 shipped on Audiogon. I didn't give much thought to integrating the subwoofer into the system, since I fully intended to use it in-line with the speakers, using high-level inputs and outputs. When I received the subwoofer, constructed the additional pair of speaker cables, and connected the setup I was very unpleasantly surprised. The sound became boxy, the low end was loose, and to my dismay, my pride - the huge soundstage provided courtesy of the Aragon 28k and B&K amp, had shrunk to a 3-foot area in the middle between my speakers. Furthermore, it was clear that there was also a significant loss of detail, including higher frequency detail, such as backup guitars/keyboards. Essentially, the sound went back to quality similar to when I was using a cheap receiver. Obviously I was not satisfied with this outcome. After a few days of experimentation with phase, gain, crossover settings, and etc. I had gotten back much of the soundstage, but did nothing for the detail. Since this was unacceptable, I decided I was going to try something different. I connected the subwoofer to the alternate pre-out of my Aragon 28k, in parallel with the speakers. To prevent large peaks in overlapping frequencies, I rolled off the low frequencies at the source (using Foobar2000 EQ), then set the sub crossover to 40Hz, and raised the gain to compensate for the rolloff (since the sub received the same signal as the mains). This was sort of a duct-tape type of a solution, but it did gain much of the detail back. However, even after days of experimentation, the sub was still clearly distinguishable from the speakers and the integration was still far from complete. I was very frustrated, and was looking at external crossovers. During that search I came upon a very interesting product from Outlaw Audio - a company that is virtually synonymous with 'value hifi'. The ICBM-1 is a rack-type 6.1ch purely analog crossover. Build Quality/Overview The ICBM is seen here, sitting on top of my MSB Link III DAC. The box is standard 18" wide and is fairly shallow, at around 8-9" deep. Build quality appears to be excellent. Connections on the back are gold-plated and far enough from each other to allow use of very large cables if one wants to. There are 7 inputs - for 6 speaker channels as well as LFE, as well as filtered outputs of all 6 speaker channels, as well as 2 subwoofer outputs. There are small rubber feet under the unit that look sturdy and allow it to safely rest on top of other equipment. Here's another look at the unit sitting in my rack: Configuration OptionsCrossover options can be set in increments of 20Hz from 40Hz to 120Hz. The settings can be independently adjusted for every channel. Furthermore, there are two more knobs at the front, which allow the user to set the gain on the LFE outputs as well as the relative mixing of LFE and the rest of the signal. Behind the unit, there are 3 additional switches. One allows the user to select whether they want to use mono or stereo LFE outputs (there are L/R jacks available). The other allows switching between a gentle 12dB slope or a special sharp 36dB curve. And finally, the third switch allows for LFE info to be passed to mains as well as to the subwoofer, for those situations when you want bass reinforcement, not replacement. Sound Quality I have to admit that I continue to be surprised by this unit. The reviews I read all suggested that the unit produces a very low level of insertion loss and noise and I can testify to that. Even at 1 o'clock on my preamp and a mean SPL of about 100dB, I cannot hear ANY noise from the very sensitive tweeters of the RF-3IIs over the ambient noise of the room. This was my chance to test out some new interconnects* (see below) and like I said - there was no audible noise. The unit does its job of managing the bass exquisitely well. After some experimentation I had settled on using the sharp 36dB slope and crossing the subwoofer at 40Hz. The high frequency detail was back, as well as the soundstage, which became all the richer. The low end detail is wonderful - the drums especially, since not only can I feel their impact, but I can also hear the note being played. With some experimentation I was able to get rid of using Foobar's EQ altogether, by compromising to having 25Hz-17.5kHz @ +/-6dB (+/- 3dB most of the way). I initially intended to run the crossover at 60Hz, but I found that my speakers provided somewhat better detail for the 20Hz between 40 and 60, and 40Hz turned out to be the better setting. Using the subwoofer level knob I compared the sound with the subwoofer at -10dB vs 0dB (one can boost it to +5dB). I also turned the subwoofer on and off during the same piece several times to ensure that I could tell the difference. Turning off my amp, I could hear the subwoofer playing alone and it was doing a great job with the lows. Conclusion Overall I am very pleased with this $250 piece of equipment. For the money it does a great job and provides bass management options akin to the more expensive receivers/processors. Furthermore, since the crossover is done in analog, there is no quality loss due to an extra analog->digital->analog conversion. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to integrate a subwoofer into a pure 2ch system, as well as to those who want to upgrade the bass management features of their receiver/processor. Addendum *This was a great opportunity to try out new interconnects. This has nothing to do with the ICBM-1 (except maybe for keeping the signal intact between pieces of equipment), but I felt like showing off. The cable is based on a twisted pair design. Two 22-gauge OFC conductors are covered with a 95% coverage copper braid shield, and 0.7mm PVC tubing, as well as a mylar braid, both of which are terminated at the source end of the cable (seen in the inset). The RCA plugs are Dayton Audio from partsexpress.com and WBT 4% silver-bearing solder was used throughout. For cosmetic reasons, the entire cable is enclosed in white TechFlex, and the ends are sealed with adhesive-lining heatshrink. The DC resistance of the cable is a mere 0.1 ohms, compared to a set of Monster interconnects my friend paid $100 for, which measure at 0.7 ohms. Yes I know that DC resistance of this cable probably doesn't mean much, but I do not have the equipment to measure impedance or capacitance, and I wanted to see some numbers (the scientist in me speaking). I replaced all of my previous cables with these and I fully intend to keep them forever (or at least until I get curious enough to try silver). These work really well, and provided a noticeable improvement when A/B'd against RadioShack Gold patch cables. ------------------------------------------------------- Phew... this was undoubtedly my longest post, and I'd love to hear your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 It is a nice piece. I've been using one for about 3 years now in a home theater set up. I used it between my receiver and power amps. My receiver only had one fixed x-over point and it was way to high for my liking. The ICBM allowed me to use 40Hz. x-over points. Since it is between the receiver and power amps, it also works great for SACD's & DVD-Audio. I'm now getting a new AV/Processor that should be able to do the same. If it doesn't then the ICBM will be going back into the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meuge Posted November 13, 2004 Author Share Posted November 13, 2004 *bump after all that typing, and there's only one reply? ~sniffle~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Nice review and very interesting. Where did you buy the ICBM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meuge Posted November 14, 2004 Author Share Posted November 14, 2004 I bought it directly from Outlaw. It was about $270 w. shipping and I received it within 48 hours of my order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Meuge, don't you hate it when someone throws a party and no one shows up? I, for one, thought it was a GREAT post. I've had this issue myself and found it to be an informative post worth filing into the archives (my Pilot ... Darn, I have a LIBRARY in there ) The reason for the small post count is that this is a specific issue that addresses a smaller audience, but many have read it and made a mental note. Take comfort in that. Again, thanks for an informative post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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