Blackmesa Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 A lot smaller than my SVS PB-12 ISD but it kicked every bit as hard. I think, other than the deep deep bass it has it matched! I'm very impressed however some idiot decided to break off one of the feet so it wobbled everywhere which could not have been good for the sound quality. It was hooked up to the entire S-3 C-3 line, and to test it, i just unplugged every speaker BestBuy people we're looking at me kind of wier.d Anyway, it was not corner loaded in fact not even wall loaded. But still kicked pretty hard! I was happy with its performace but I want to test it more. Best buy was also stocking Vienna Acoustics matched with some REL subwoofers. They were set up perfect in a sound room with some nice hardware playing phantom of the operaa DVD. I was amazing by the sound quality of those speakers and if they were not 8,000 bucks a pair, I might consider them! I hope Klipsch releases their premier line soon, Im very excited they will have new speakers in this price range for a change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 Which BB store (obviously a Magnolia one)? The SUB-12 gives anything in Mag a run for the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmtnbikr Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 If you liked it in the store....wait until you get it home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 I wanted to hear the setup of the synergy F3 and the Sub 12 or 15 But as with the other bestbuys in my area. They are broke!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 ---------------- On 6/14/2005 9:45:57 AM Jay481985 wrote: I wanted to hear the setup of the synergy F3 and the Sub 12 or 15 But as with the other bestbuys in my area. They are broke!!! ---------------- There is no SUB-15 - it would be awesome if there was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 oops i meant 10 or 12. 15 keeps popping up in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 ---------------- On 6/14/2005 12:22:25 AM Blackmesa wrote: I hope Klipsch releases their premier line soon, I’m very excited they will have new speakers in this price range for a change! ---------------- They do have Klipschorns ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 15, 2005 Author Share Posted June 15, 2005 ---------------- On 6/15/2005 10:03:48 AM formica wrote: ---------------- On 6/14/2005 12:22:25 AM Blackmesa wrote: I hope Klipsch releases their premier line soon, I’m very excited they will have new speakers in this price range for a change! ---------------- They do have Klipschorns ... ---------------- I don't have a room for K's, but some day I may. Yes, the tiny 8" REL's were no match for the Sub-12 for 1/3rd the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 15, 2005 Author Share Posted June 15, 2005 ---------------- On 6/14/2005 1:57:03 AM kenratboy wrote: Which BB store (obviously a Magnolia one)? The SUB-12 gives anything in Mag a run for the money ---------------- This was the Concord store in CA, any best buy in Nor Cal has a magnolia subsecion. The speakers are very much overpriced and are all genearlly small driver speakers. I dont htink they even had anything over 6.5".... and most of the subwoofers were 8".. perhaps a few 10"'s but thats it. They were still nice, but for the price, I'd rather have larger speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 ---------------- On 6/15/2005 8:11:50 PM Blackmesa wrote: This was the Concord store in CA, any best buy in Nor Cal has a magnolia subsecion. The speakers are very much overpriced and are all genearlly small driver speakers. I dont htink they even had anything over 6.5".... and most of the subwoofers were 8".. perhaps a few 10"'s but thats it. They were still nice, but for the price, I'd rather have larger speakers. ---------------- What the hell does that mean!? You don't shop for speakers by driver size, and some of the Martin Logan and Def Tech subs (while $$$), have well over 1" excursion. Martin-Logan - sublime mids and good bass for their size Def Tech - 8, 10, and 12-inch built-in powered subs, you just power the mids and tweeters Boston - 7" woofers on the big towers, very nice speakers Vienna's - amazing speakers. Period. M&K - when paired with a sub, they can do ANYTHING. My favorite (and I sold over $1,500 in them today!) REL - collecting dust As for price, premium price for premium products. I choose the Klipsch, but most people who drop cash in Magnolia are looking for great looks, and if they sound good, thats a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 ---------------- On 6/16/2005 1:16:57 AM kenratboy wrote: What the hell does that mean!? You don't shop for speakers by driver size, and some of the Martin Logan and Def Tech subs (while $$$), have well over 1" excursion. ---------------- 1"... from an 8" whoopie do, my PB12 can hit more SPL for less than 1/3 the price and 1/2 the excursion... driver size does mater. oh and if you want to talk about materals or quality.. the vienna's use plasic see through drivers! I was a little taken back by it... for 800 bucks, I was expecting something a bit more..... NON-CHEAP-CAR-AUDIO-LOOKING-ISH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcjago Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Hey I thought you returned your PB12 cuz you weren't satisfied with it. You got another one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 nah, just a little to confusing to say.. my "pb12 thats I used to own, but no longer own because i returned it blah blah" it really doest matter for this debate's sake, It was just a lose example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Blackmesa (HL2 kicked ***!): I sell the stuff, and size, looks, etc. is CRITICAL for what we do. Just today, I had a guy go from this center: http://www.mksound.com/thx_sys.php#750 (the 750 center) To this: http://www.mksound.com/Kseries1.htm (the K7 center) Because the 750 was too big. Never in a million years would the 750 be too big for me, NEVER. But to the people we sell to, it is important. Different world, and with this business, this is important. Thats the point I am trying to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 ---------------- On 6/17/2005 1:25:27 AM kenratboy wrote: Because the 750 was too big. Never in a million years would the 750 be too big for me, NEVER. But to the people we sell to, it is important. Different world, and with this business, this is important. ---------------- That's the same reason we never got the RSW18... or a bigger THX Ultra. I realise direct sales of these high performance units may not offer a large return on the investment BUT the thing management sometimes forgets, is enthusiasts like us that recommend products to the masses. You get us excited about a large RSW18, it'll rub off on our friends and family who are more apt to buy a RSW8. A little OT, but I had to say it (again... ) Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 kenratboy, where do you work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vgtvidz Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I always wondered something. Is the Sub 12" better than the RW-12?? Is it louder? never had a chance to see/hear one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 Its not better, but I think its louder. The RW-12 has a Cerametallic cone vs a Paper composite. The RW-12 has a little bit low FR response and of course it comes in a wood laminate finish, which Im actually not crazy about. The RSW are real wood veneer I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vgtvidz Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Blackmesa, I've already asked this question but no one really answered my question, maybe you'd be able to help me out!... note that all the prices are canadian. The Klipsch RW-12 is retailing at 899$ over here. The guy at the store is willing to drop it to 750$, I told him I already have a RW-8 and he willing to give me 250$ for it, so the RW-12 would only cost 500$ CDN, which is , in my opinion, a good deal. Now, I could possibly get the HSU STF-3 for something around 750-800$. From what I've read, the SVS PB-12 ISB and the HSU STF-3 are pretty much the same! I'm pretty lost and I'm not sure whawt I should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodlustt Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 You will not be disappointed with the sub 12, I love mine. Hits hard and deep and its very clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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