atomicskiier01 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I am currently using the Yamaha HTR-5760 for my Reference HT (See sig). I have been playing with all of the settings and I have it set up to my liking. After using the YPAO, I had to adjust the gain on the center channel and the surrounds, as well as adjust the crossover for the sub down to 40Hz (somebody chime in if that is too low. the RF-35's go down to 37 I believe). The reason that I bought this receiver is that my friend worked at Best Buy at the time and I got it for under $300. While everything sounds awesome, the upgrade bug is always biting, and I was thinking about going up to something like a used Denon AVR-3805. I know that separates are the best, so lets not even go there. What will be the first thing that I notice when I watch something like "Star Wars: Episode III" with my new receiver. Is it going to be a "wow, I can't believe that the receiver makes this much difference", or is it going to be like "Yeah, its better, but not $800 better". I know that the whole Yamaha + Klipsch = Bright thing will come up, but what is going to be the main difference besides that? For this thread, we will assume 100% home theater use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Yamaha makes good products. I was perfectly happy with my Yamaha's (owned 3 AVRs) until I put my RXV 800 and Klipsch Legend HT in a large room where it sounded bright, before it sounded loud. I couldn't stand it. After auditioning several receivers, I purchased the Denon 3803 ( right when it was being discontinued--good price []) and it made a MAJOR difference in sound quality in that larger room (1600 sq. ft). I now have the AVR listed below and haven't felt the need to upgrade--That is my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klipschster23 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 hey yo we got the exact same setup..and your asking the same questions i wanna know lolol..Ive been in a delima lately trying to figure this all out too..I really like that high end Yamaha HTR 5890 at 140 watts per channel but ppl are still telling me that denon 3805 is better..A hi fi store locally here is discontinuing them, in a few months i can get one for under 8 bills im sure...for 8 hundred im going with the 3805...im reading and its not only the wattage at 110 or 120 a channel ( hearing differnt specs) its the AL24 processing which supports the 192 khz sampling frequency for DVD audio.. the denon link wich processes from the DVD player and the Super CD player with better purity for musical reproduction. Also Ive read that the unit has a feature called 7 channel equal power that allows full power to all seven channels..(this feature i know will do better than Yamaha's 7 channel power supply) ...not to mention i like the cool touch pad remote the flip down cover on the face..it just looks beefier and better..So all that being said and all my research ive done..im getting one of them before they close out I think it will make a huge difference...I'm hoping...Monty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicskiier01 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 Yamaha makes good products. I was perfectly happy with my Yamaha's (owned 3 AVRs) until I put my RXV 800 and Klipsch Legend HT in a large room where it sounded bright, before it sounded loud. I couldn't stand it. After auditioning several receivers, I purchased the Denon 3803 ( right when it was being discontinued--good price []) and it made a MAJOR difference in sound quality in that larger room (1600 sq. ft). I now have the AVR listed below and haven't felt the need to upgrade--That is my experience. Right now, I live in an apartment and my living room is about 10 x 24. It seems like the Yamaha is doing a fine job with filling the room (and then some). Am I right to assume that once I move into a house with a bigger living room, that the Denon will potentially make a much bigger difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I feel it will. Not only that, if loudness isn't an issue in your apartment, I think you will notice a difference in sound that you could appreciate there as well. My Main HT listed below is in a less than 16' by 22' area (albeit with high ceilings) and I am fortunate that I can crank it as loud as I want for as long as I want and my ears don't suffer.[] But again, that is just my experience--keep your receipt []) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerFan Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 In my opinion, for what it's worth, I think you have the crossover in your receiver set too low. I'd set it at least at 60hz or maybe 80hz. Try that and see what you think.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicskiier01 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 Thanks, I was wondering about that. I had it set at 80Hz (YPAO default) before I changed it to 40Hz. I will try 60 and see what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 hi guys, I have a 5790, I use this now as pre/pro duty. IMO if you have a SS amp running seven channels it should weigh at least a hundred pounds. I dont see the difference between the Denon and Yamaha internal amps being all that different. When I started using seperate amps the difference in Bass was staggering. I have eight channels between two amps and those two amps combined weigh over 170 pounds. My yamaha just didnt have the power to really push Bass. and as usual you dont know what your missing until you experience it. That being said I would love to hear a Mcintosh mx-119 or a sunfire pre/pro my two cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marems Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I started out with a Yamaha RXV800 paired with the RF-3's,RC3,&RS-3, and it was brite, but not as brite when I went to the KLF-30's. And thats pretty much when the true quest started... And I never applied the crossover to the RF-3's I just gave them everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 not looking good for the rxv-800 but bear in mind thats on the lower end of Yamaha I wonder if it was really bright or just a total lack of low end foundation, or combination of both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiperG Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Well Atomics, since we have the same setup, and I am currently running a 3805 to power my 35 series, I'll tell ya what I think. Or better yet let me get my neighbor to tell you what he thinks.[] I only used my crappy sony with these speakers for like a couple weeks, so I don't have much comparing to tell you, but your speakers will enjoy the juice this reciever gives. The 3805 can basically run the freakin pentagon on its own. The one thing that sucks is you'll have to drop 60 bucks for the setup microphone(doesn't come with one). I tryed setting up my setup without it, but since I'm a noob--no go. I picked up mine for a 1,000 about 4 months ago--I think they've dropped since then. Keep in mind the reason why they are cheaper(they used to be 1300) is because of the HDMI on the 3806's. That's why they are being discontinued. My sony 65" doesn't have HDMI, so I didn't have to worry about it. Sorry for the long post! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 oh and the 40hz crossover is too low, it has been recomended to go one octave above your speakers abilities. Set at 80. remember that a crossover is gradualy sloping and your speakers will be going below 80hz. buy two used crown amps for your front end use your yamaha to run the rears, extra money use towards a second sub. Thats the direction I would go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 not looking good for the rxv-800 but bear in mind thats on the lower end of Yamaha I wonder if it was really bright or just a total lack of low end foundation, or combination of both? So was the Denon AVR 3803 when it was released. I think the difference in the 2 units, and in similar comparisons, is that the Denon's are high current designs. BTW, they also weigh more than the Yammi's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I agree, I havent heard any Denon except in the showroom. FrzninVT speaks highly of the 3803. So the difference I suspect is significant, but is the 3805 $800 significant? Thats what I am wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicskiier01 Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 Sounds like I need to experience the Denon, or go to a Hi-End store and compare a Yamaha vs. Denon a/b style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I agree, I havent heard any Denon except in the showroom. FrzninVT speaks highly of the 3803. So the difference I suspect is significant, but is the 3805 $800 significant? Thats what I am wondering When I originally purchased my Yammi RSV 800, I talked myself out of the Denon 3803 (It was about $400 difference, if I am remembering right) because I thought their WPS was similar and watts were watts. To make a long story short, after hearing the performance difference in the two I tried to rationally deduce why. What I came up with was that the Denon used better amps (weighed more?) that needed more power (don't have the 3803 book in front of me but the AVR- 3805 is similar and it's power consumption is rated at 7.1 Amps--considerably more than the Yamaha's) to deliver the goods at higher volumes into 5 or more channels. BTW, I ended up getting the AVR-3803 at a good deal when it got discontinued. If I would have purchased that AVR first--I wouldn't have needed to get another receiver and would have saved money in the long run. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I agree, I havent heard any Denon except in the showroom. FrzninVT speaks highly of the 3803. So the difference I suspect is significant, but is the 3805 $800 significant? Thats what I am wondering {Edit: Oops. I thought you were asking about the price difference between the AVR-3803 and the RXV-800 at the time--not the 3805. [:$]} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 what I mean by weight is the weight of the toroidal transformers in the amps I use. compelling argument, I think you may be right. I am not familiar enough with the Denon avr's. or the inner workings of amps. But I do know that when I stopped using my Yamaha's internal amp and got the DBX amps the difference scared me. Talk about Cornwall bass response. I still get an adrenaline rush when I let them breath a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 sorry I edited that right after I posted and reread it, wanted to be clear for just that reason. My bad not yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travisc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 ha I just saw the elaborate thread by Jeff. I guess the weight thing has been a topic lately(my internet was down all weekend)[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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