Tom Adams Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I know the RSW-15 is slated to be discontinued, but I was wondering if someone from Klipsch would care to comment on the design goals (with regards to sound) of the RSW-15 versus the 120 THX versus the new reference 12d that will make its appearance in a few months. I realize that listening is believing [] , but would appreciate some insight. Thanks!! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted January 11, 2006 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 11, 2006 For the most part goals are simple. Be flater, lower, louder than the other guys in the same price range. The THX sub was / is a product of it's own. It had to meet THX Ultra II spec's. It had to be an install unit. These things were different than the othere subs we build. As for the RT subs vs. RSW we wanted to have a sub that was a good bit smaller and took up less floor space BUT have the same output as the next size up RSW. Tall order at best. RT-12 goes lower and plays almost as loud as the RSW-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thanks Trey. My local Klipsch dealer has both the RSW and the 120 and I'll be giving a listen soon. I'll probably hold off my purchase until the 12d comes out for I'd realy like to hear how it performs as well. Again - thanks for the prompt reply. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ya, I wanna hear the difference between Ultra2 versus the RT-12 as well. I have a feeling the RT subs are going to sound better [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ya, I wanna hear the difference between Ultra2 versus the RT-12 as well. I have a feeling the RT subs are going to sound better [] Well....here's what my gut is telling me. That I will listen to the RSW-15 and then the RT-12 and realize that the RT-12 does everything the (retired) RSW-15 does. So far, so good. Then I'll give the THX120 a whirl and find that it does a decent job with music, but is very good with movies. The RT-12 will do music serious justice and hold it's own against the (single) 120. At that point my brain will compute the cost of the two options and conclude that I've run up against the laws of diminishing returns i.e. it will cost much more for a minimal incremental gain to implement the THX120. OTOH.....I could be wrong. [*-)] [] Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted January 11, 2006 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 11, 2006 If you go with only one cabinet in the THX system you are right. The THX sub is very fast. As it is a 12 inch cone on the RSW 15 motor in a ported cabinet. All that = fast, low & loud. THe one thing it does that I dont like is at HIGH output the ports noise can be heard. You dont get that with a passive. With a passive you loose SPL / volume. If you stay in the 100db range, the RT12 is your best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot125 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 If you stay in the 100db range, the RT12 is your best choice. Even if you dont, you can always buy 2![] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scp53 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Seriously, who stays in the 100dB range? [8-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I know the RSW-15 is slated to be discontinued, but I was wondering if someone from Klipsch would care to comment on the design goals (with regards to sound) of the RSW-15 versus the 120 THX versus the new reference 12d that will make its appearance in a few months. Will Klipsch be offering any 15" subwoofer in it's lineup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted January 12, 2006 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 12, 2006 No 10 & 12 only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 If you go with only one cabinet in the THX system you are right. The THX sub is very fast. As it is a 12 inch cone on the RSW 15 motor in a ported cabinet. All that = fast, low & loud. THe one thing it does that I dont like is at HIGH output the ports noise can be heard. You dont get that with a passive. With a passive you loose SPL / volume. If you stay in the 100db range, the RT12 is your best choice. Thanks Trey for the additional info. So if one is planning to operate beyond the 100db range, you're suggesting that one or two THX's be employed? And are you guys at a point that you can give us some specs on the RT12 or are you still tweaking? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted January 12, 2006 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 12, 2006 My suggestion is to all ways use 2 sub cabinets with the THX Ultra 2 system. No spec's yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Seriously, who stays in the 100dB range? [8-)] The whimpy 100dB range is for mass market dollar store subs and sub standard products. I like my subs to have headroom galore just in case an infidel questions my subsonic army might,so I can pump the volume justa bit to where ers start to fail. [] I will look into the new RT Klipsch subs and you can bet I will compare them directly with Paradigm's Seismic 10 and 12 [A] Not against some third class overmatched competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmiles Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Is the "RT" line the prototypes at CES with DSP room correction? Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted March 1, 2006 Klipsch Employees Share Posted March 1, 2006 Yes. They will be out later this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmiles Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 They looked impressive from a fit and finish regard and you plans with the DSP module are on par if not exceeds others in the field. The line will be 12 - 15 - 18 as I recall. What is the power output? Are using the new class D modules from B&O or Tripath? mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted March 1, 2006 Klipsch Employees Share Posted March 1, 2006 There will be a 10 and 12 only. I am not sure who is building the amp... 600W 800W Is the power, I think, the info is posted on the main site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Ummmm are we gonna hear the RT's in Hope????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Ummmm are we gonna hear the RT's in Hope????? oooo...that'd be a real treat; dual RT-12d versus dual KW-120's (ultra2 subs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoMany Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 If you go with only one cabinet in the THX system you are right. The THX sub is very fast. As it is a 12 inch cone on the RSW 15 motor in a ported cabinet. All that = fast, low & loud. THe one thing it does that I dont like is at HIGH output the ports noise can be heard. You dont get that with a passive. With a passive you loose SPL / volume. If you stay in the 100db range, the RT12 is your best choice. Fast? I hate that word. Did you use Klippel and test he velocity yourself? The kw-120 and rsw-15 use the same motor. In a simialr designed box, the RSW-15 would be the clear winner in all catatories. Bottom-line, I have no idea why Klipsch did not use the 15" woofer for the KW-120's the difference in price is probably less than 30 for the driver and a not too much more for a larger box. My only guess is it would have been overkill... indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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