sfogg Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Tom, Yup, those connect the dots people always overlook the reconstruction filter. BTW for everyone else... I found the thread I had mentioned earlier... check out... http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=65268&forumID=66&catID=19&search=1&searchstring=&sessionID={CD9B7A16-3554-4AFA-9683-40DBB84DA6BD} Where this all got hashed out before and it has pictures of the so called 'connect the dots' digital. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Undergraduate students rarely are capable of shedding light on complex issues such as this one, this kid is probably no different. His proposal for research could lead to an interesting study BUT the majority of studies performed by undergrads are really meant to educate THEM in the theory and process of conducting scientific experiments NOT to break new ground. I suspect that this kid may get his project approved and I would like to see his results but I doubt he will be able to add significanlty to the debate. He will however learn about what NOT to do when trying to produce a sicentifically sound study related to this issue, I guarantee you that. regards, tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 My own experience is that non-audiophiles typically prefer the analogue sound of vinyl when confronted with it. My wife, for example, who could not give a rats arse about audio states simply "the vinyl sounds better" each and every time we hear the two formats playing against each other - and switching between them she can spot the analogue immediately. In my house it's just the opposite. My wife doesn't give a rat's arse either. Actually, she wants CDs to sound better. They take up less room. Whenever I do the switching test with her, she always insists the one that sounds better is the CD. She'll tell me, "THIS one is the CD. It sounds cleaner and clearer." I laugh because she picks vinyl EVERY time. She never believes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 My own experience is that non-audiophiles typically prefer the analogue sound of vinyl when confronted with it. My wife, for example, who could not give a rats arse about audio states simply "the vinyl sounds better" each and every time we hear the two formats playing against each other - and switching between them she can spot the analogue immediately. In my house it's just the opposite. My wife doesn't give a rat's arse either. Actually, she wants CDs to sound better. They take up less room. Whenever I do the switching test with her, she always insists the one that sounds better is the CD. She'll tell me, "THIS one is the CD. It sounds cleaner and clearer." I laugh because she picks vinyl EVERY time. She never believes me. Conclusion the same - merely the aim is different. I think my wife never recovered from my first CD player in 1984. I had spent a huge sum (in those days) on it and when we played CD's for the first time she really hated it. Since then she maintained vinyl was better - and I ignored her. So who is the fool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 There are approximately 1 million audiophiles in the world. The rest of the world couldn't care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaiser SET say Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Filter this filter that, analog in analog out requires no filter to sound like it is[] As MAX says, put the right cash $10,000 into your analog rig and get real music or go by a $300 CD player and call it a day[] For the 1% of JacksonBarts Rice Krispy's guys I'll take 99% of the real deal any day. The real reason you need a sub or digital is your all getting older and it's a known fact that the ears go and all most old guys hear is the thump or lack of shrill from digtal and this is the camp I'm from[] I have been here before and yes I have a pleathora of digital devices that I always get listener fatigue from and that is because digital will always have edge regardless of what format it's in the digital process plain and simple[:|] OK digi heads let's light this baby up[<)] Come Duke you still have a 707 and 909! I was just thinking to myself last night while sitting in my shop listening to MC900ft Jesus on my Onkyo cassette running thru my old SAE rec and thinking how much better that cassette always sounded in my car before I went digital there also and I may just put that hissing monster back in my Golf[8] Catch this one on the flip side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfogg Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 "analog in analog out requires no filter to sound like it is" Ever listened to vinyl without filtering? It sounds horrible..... It is always amusing when the vinyl guys complain about a simple low pass filter while ignoring nearly 40dB worth of EQ/filtering in their playback..... Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I don't care about format ...! most of the music ..I want... I record ...in Digital, sorry Kaiser that's all there was to me "dumping Vinyl" and , YES ....I have 1000# of ....TAPE ...!!! the Orignal Analog signal, for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 The real reason you need a sub or digital is your all getting older and it's a known fact that the ears go and all most old guys hear is the thump or lack of shrill from digtal and this is the camp I'm from[] Hmmm...I'm 21 and my ears test out fine and I totally prefer digital. I would think most of the old guys growing up around analog would be more predisposed to the flaws inherant in the design and therefore do not notice them as readily. I've actually grown up around live sound and studio work...started seriously listening to recorded music at 18. Nevertheless, I've still got 13 years of experience behind the live and studio desks - even starting off completely analog actually. You might try getting rid of your SET distortion box when you listen to CD's...seems when you improve your medium the other flaws in your system are revealed [] You guys do realize it is quite a trivial process to get the "analog sound" recorded on digital right? Whenever I'm mic'ing a drum kit with naturally harsh cymabls, I'll go ahead and use a reel to reel (or even cassette deck) as an "effect" to tame them down. Even when mixing on the road for a live concert, I keep one of those CD cassette deck adapter things in my toolbag...and whenever the analog sound is needed, you just run an insert into the cassette adapter and then return from the outputs of the cassette deck. Oh the wonderful sound of saturated tape heads. (It works great for fattening up sounds, especially vocals and taming down "ringy" instruments at the frequency extremes.) There's no reason you can't do this on the final mix, or even track everything to tape....apart from the fact that it adds its own coloration and that's not always a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 The Voice of Reason ... or .. is it "Experience " .. thank you , Who ... you saved Me a lotta typing ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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