msone Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Hi I wonder if you guys have some time to help a noob out with some questions. I hope I am posting this is the right section. I just got a pair of RF-82s and an RC-62. I am using an Onkyo 803 receiver and I used the setup Mic that comes with the receiver. I am concerned that it did not set things up right but I have no clue what right and wrong is. As of right now this is how it is set up. Sub---- yes Fronts ----- 200 Hz Center---- 100 Hz Surround ----- 100 Hz Surrback----- N/A I do not have these hooked up yet LPF of LFE --- 80 Hz Now I am not sure what all that stuff above is or means. Is it right? If not what should it be? Here are more details on what I have Receiver is Onkyo 803 Fronts are RF-82 Center is RC-62 Subwoofer is a 5 or so year old Sony 12 not sure of the model number. Surrounds are Quintet II will be upgraded soon Surround back will be Quintet II when I get the time to add them also going to be upgraded soon. Again sorry for being a noob I just want things to be set right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes I know about the MIC. Do you have small front, center, and surround speakers? if the answer is yes, The results maybe the best config based on the automated setup proceedure...if you want to go the automated route. If you have large front, center, surround speakers....I would review the config. In terms of what the config means....from an audio perspective...you are going to have a hole between 80HZ and 200HZ on the fronts (could there be a possibility that the fronts and rears are reversed?) The hole between the center and surrounds at 80hz-100hz is less of a problem. note - also check to see if the fronts (one or both) or the subwoofer is wired correctly (positive/negative) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 26, 2006 Author Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes I know about the MIC. Do you have small front, center, and surround speakers? if the answer is yes, The results maybe the best config based on the automated setup proceedure...if you want to go the automated route. If you have large front, center, surround speakers....I would review the config. In terms of what the config means....from an audio perspective...you are going to have a hole between 80HZ and 200HZ on the fronts (could there be a possibility that the fronts and rears are reversed?) The hole between the center and surrounds at 80hz-100hz is less of a problem. note - also check to see if the fronts (one or both) or the subwoofer is wired correctly (positive/negative) Im not sure what you mean by small fronts or large fronts and so on. Are you asking me if I have them set to large or small? If this is so the only place I can do this is on my DVD player and I think they are all set to large. My fronts are hooked up to my front CH as I can hear music on them fine when playing a cd. I will have to check to make sure they are wired correct IE. to and + to +. However I am not sure if i have the speaker wire connected to the right post on the speaker box because I have 2 sets for bi wire. Right now they are in the bottom set of posts because I do not have them as bi wire. Is this correct? My sub is just one wire from my receiver to the sub. I take it that having a hole from 80hz to 200 hz is not good and that things are set up wrong? Again sorry for having no clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 question was if your speakers are small (they have small 3" - 4" woofers), medium (6" - 8" woofers), or large (10" - 15" woofers), medium or large. if you have small speakers...the information you provided could be expected. if you have medium or large speakers, the information you provided needs investigation. large speakers should not be cut off at 200hz. If you have large speakers ......There is some flexabilty...there may be options to change the settings on the sony sub woofer (some wooders have both a frequency cut off selection and a selector that determines the level output, and some have a selector for the octave spread (how wide to cover). There may also be settings on the reciever to change the cutoff to the LF channel (large or small speaker setting, or actual numbers 80HZ, 120HZ, 140HZ, etc). If you have small speakers, I would leave it...rely on the MIC and setup proceedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 26, 2006 Author Share Posted May 26, 2006 My front Specs Specifications FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 33Hz-23kHz +/-3dB POWER HANDLING: 150W RMS / 600WPeak SENSITIVITY: 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms compatible HIGH FREQUENCY DRIVERS: 1" (2.54cm) Titanium diaphragm compression driver mated to 90x60 square Tractrix® Horn HIGH FREQ CROSSOVER: 2000Hz LOW FREQUENCY DRIVERS: Dual 8" (20.3cm) Cerametallic cone woofers ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass-reflex via dual rear-firing ports HEIGHT: 43.6" (110.7cm) (w/feet) WIDTH: 9.5" (24.1cm) DEPTH: 16.25" (41.3cm) WEIGHT: 66lbs (30kg) Center specs Specifications FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 57Hz-23kHz +/-3dB POWER HANDLING: 150W RMS / 600WPeak SENSITIVITY: 98dB @ 2.83V / 1m NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms compatible HIGH FREQUENCY DRIVERS: 1" (2.54cm) Titanium diaphragm compression driver mated to 90x60 square Tractrix® Horn HIGH FREQ CROSSOVER: 1150Hz, 1650Hz LOW FREQUENCY DRIVERS: Dual 6.5" (16.5cm) Cerametallic cone woofers ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass-reflex via dual front-firing ports HEIGHT: 8" (20.3cm) WIDTH: 23.5" (59.7cm) DEPTH: 12.5" (31.8cm) MOUNTING: Uptilt and Downtilt feet WEIGHT: 32lbs (14.5kg) Surrounds specs FREQUENCY RESPONSE: 100Hz-20kHz±3dB POWER HANDLING: 50 w (100 w peak) SENSITIVITY: 90dB @ 1watt/1meter NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms CROSSOVER FREQUENCY: 4900Hz TWEETER: K-104-KV 0.75" (1.91cm) Polymer dome compression driver HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90°x40° Tractrix® Horn WOOFER: K-1068-KV 3.5" (8.9cm) Poly cone ENCLOSURE MATERIAL: Stone Mineral Compound ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass reflex via rear-mounted port DIMENSIONS: 7.5" (19.05cm) x 4.25" (10.8cm) x 6.375" (16.19cm) Now as for the Sony sub I do have 2 knobs on it but im not 100% sure what they are I know one makes it louder and I have them both half way. I will check when I get home from work. As for me being able to change the setting on my receiver I can here are what I can choose. Full band, 40 Hz, 60 Hz, 70 Hz, 80 Hz (thx), 90 Hz, 100 Hz, 120hhz, 150 Hz, 200 Hz thank you for taking the time to help me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 26, 2006 Author Share Posted May 26, 2006 here are the options on my sony sub lvl min - max cut off freq 50hz-170hz phase normal or reverse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 If you are able to manually change the low crossover point for your front main speakers, set them to 80hz and set your sub to the same level. Your RF-82s can easily play lower than 80hz, but this way the subwoofer will be handling the lowest bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 If you are able to manually change the low crossover point for your front main speakers, set them to 80hz and set your sub to the same level. Your RF-82s can easily play lower than 80hz, but this way the subwoofer will be handling the lowest bass. Thank you for the info I have put my fronts on 80 Hz and my sub was always on 80 Hz. Any tips on what my center and surrounds should be on? Specs are 1 or 2 posts up. I did do another auto set up test with the MIC and now the center was put to 60 Hz and my surrounds were put to 150 Hz are these cool or should I change them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSport Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 changing them ALL to 80hz is the THX reference...you usually can't go wrong with this for a starting point...give that a try...I would try ALL speakers set to small to try...after you do this see how you like it...if you still don't care for it, you can set the front mains to 60hz...Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 when you say set to small do you mean on my dvd player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 reciever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSport Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 ...in your HT receiver menue you should have a choice, large or small...large lets your mains do the heavy bass lifting so to speak...unless you have really full range speakers, that is what you have the sub doing so set them to small...none of the other spekaers can do the heavy bass lifting (so to speak) either so set them to small as well...you should be very happy with the results...make sure you check your menue in the DVD player as well for how it is set up so you can take advatage of DTS or whatever should you decide to when playing your movies...keep us posted...Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 i do not have the option to set speaker size on my receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSport Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 can you set the crossovers??? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 yes i can here is what i can pick Full band, 40 Hz, 60 Hz, 70 Hz, 80 Hz (thx), 90 Hz, 100 Hz, 120hhz, 150 Hz, 200 hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 based on the data you provided in the intial post...you need to work from right to left. for what ever reason (speaker placement...speaker height from floor, distance from corners, see PS Note) you seem to have a limitation of not being able to go below 200hz on some speakers and below 100 hz on others. goal is to get the sub frequency to at least 120HZ (above 120hz, woofers are no longer omi-directional), you can't leave it at 200hz since doing so would route alot of mid-bass program material to your woofers , PS, the 200hz limitation indicated in your measurements could be due to your sub woofer set at too high of a crossover frequency AND, AND, not OR, the phasing or the polarity of either the speakers or sub woofers is backwards from the other. CHeck to see if the sub has a phase 0 /180 switch or a polarity switch that inverts the signal...then re-run your test. Check to see if the speakers indcating 200Hz are wire correctly (stripe, rib on wires, color code, etc.) If all else fails....and you are sure you can't mak changes on the reciver (speaker size Large or Small, xover frequencies, etc).....Are these speakers new...you being the first owner? if bought used...I would have someone check the connections for the woofer in the cabinet that's indicating a 200HZ bottom limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 First I would like to thank everyone for the replies again you all have been helpful. Now I turned down my feq on my sub itself to a little above the 50 Hz im not sure what it is at as there are no other numbers other then the other side and that is 170 Hz. I have my phase button to normal other option is reverse I use a rca type jack from my receiver to the sub so its only one wire so I dont think it can be put in wrong. I also took a look to make sure things are in the right place like to and + to +. All was right, now my RF-82s have 2 sets of binding post for bi wire but I am not using it that way at first I was using the bottom 2 binding post and now have moved my speaker wires to the top 2. Not sure if this means anything but on the bottom 2 post next to the -/+ symbols it says LF and on the top 2 post it says HF. Do these mean anything? Low feq and high feq? Anyways I ran the mic test again after checking wires and switching to the top post and this is what I get. Subwoofer = yes Front = full band Center = full band Surround = 100 Hz note: these speakers are small Surround back = not used yet LPF or LFE = 80 Hz (thx) Subwoofer mode = LFE only (thx) note: this option is only available when the fronts/center is on full band if they are not then this option is grey. My fronts and center were 2 days old from my first post so they are new and I got them from a store that was given to me by the dealer finder on the main Klipsch site. My rears and sub were new when I got them also. As for changing stuff on my receiver I can do speaker impedance, speaker config or where I can set the feq, speaker distance, lvl calibration and eq setting. I have shut off everything just incase using the top 2 binding post on my fronts is not a smart thing to do. If they are ok to use please do tell me lol. So am I ok now or should things still be looked into or adjust to sound better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Speakers that have LF/HF terminals normally have a small cable connected across(they come connected red to red and black to black) them when you took them out of the box or they have a switch on the back to enable (rarely used anymore). If the jumpers are in place....it does not matter which you use. check you manual to determine how the bi-wire terminals are set if you do not want to enable bi-wiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msone Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 the jumpers are in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest " " Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 then it does not matter which set of terminals you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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