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Deang

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  1. mobile - you are pretty much never wrong about anything but this time you screwed up. It's the music. ------------------ deanG
  2. Boa - who says this isn't rocket science? Yeesh. Glad I'm just two channel. Seb - yes, just about all the 40Hz stuff is still there. ------------------ deanG
  3. Most subs have both the fixed high pass and the adjustable low pass. Now I don't have any experience with receivers, but I would imagine the receiver is simply a low pass crossover, which if used - would necessitate you flipping the low pass on your sub to off or inactive. You should use one or the other but not both. The fixed high pass at 80Hz is the most common because 80Hz is the THX standard. 6db/octave for the high pass is also fairly common. With a 6db/octave slope you will be -3db at 40Hz. Where you set your low pass at this point is totally subjective based on room boundary effects and personal preferance. I always seem to think 50Hz sounds the best. Now, another option is to not use the high pass at all, but simply run the RF7's full range for music - and only turn the sub on for HT. Just set the low pass on the sub as low as it will go. There will be a little overlap - but hey, it's movies and little extra rumble between 30 & 40 Hz ain't exactly something to get all worked up about. The reason I make this suggestion is because many people (including me) believe running the whole signal through a crossover before going to your amp is less than ideal. In other words - there is certainly going to be some signal degradation. Others argue that it's actually cleaner because since the woofer(s) of the mains are freed up from playing low bass - there is less IM and THD. What I have actually found is that with monitors, using the high pass sounds better than not using it - but with full range speakers, it sounds better not using the high pass. If you plan on listening to alot of multi-channel music - you will probably be better off using it. ------------------ deanG
  4. I try to keep my speakers out of the rain ------------------ deanG
  5. I ended up having to down size a little and went from two systems to one. My wife is home schooling the kids and we had to make more room for 'stuff'. So I sold some stuff, upgraded to the RF7's and moved everything upstairs. When I get home from work, Temple, my 18 month old daughter - grabs me by my finger and pulls me around the dining room table and starts pointing up the stairs. "uh", "uh", she says - which I assume means 'up'. She now gets upstairs and knows which buttons on the CD player starts the music. She recently figured out how to skip tracks. Her favorite CD is Tears for Fears. There is simply no greater pleasure for me than watching her sway back and forth to the music. It's like watching a living music box. ------------------ deanG
  6. It's probably true that with the right front end gear and big enough room - I could more than live with a set of Khorns or LaScalas. When I heard the Khorns they were hooked up to some Crown stuff. I did hear the KLF20's once hooked up to some nice Parasound stuff but wasn't impressed. I would just like to say that the majority of people inhabiting this site are the ultimate in class. I know I have a tendency to get anal from time to time and everyone here just puts up with me and responds with class post after class post. Klipsch is unique. The Klipsch community is unique. I am humbled and so I must repent in dust and ashes. Long live Heritage! Long live Reference! ------------------ deanG
  7. The LaScalas win what every time? The shouting contest? I've heard Khorns many times. During the 70's I heard them often. We always preferred the Dahlquist DQ10's. And then the Magnepans. If I want my system to sound like a P.A. system I will buy Heritage. ------------------ deanG
  8. anodize Pronunciation: (an'u-dIz"), v.t., -dized, -dizing. Chem. to coat a metal, esp. magnesium or aluminum, with a protective film by chemical or electrolytic means. Also, esp. Brit.,an'odise". The firearms industry has been making use of this technology for about a decade or so - but it's just now being implemented in other ways. If you would like to know more about this 'old' technology you can read about it here: http://www.robarguns.com/finishes.asp At any rate, it's certainly newer than paper. Your comment about audiophiles loving Heritage is completely ridiculous. Most audiophiles HATE horns. ------------------ deanG
  9. Actually, the RP5 is part of the Reference line. It's basically an RB5 on top with a built in KSW-12 in each speaker. If you don't overdrive the built in subs they probably sound very good. They originally listed for $2000. Lot's speaker for $400 a piece. ------------------ deanG
  10. It's really amazing how we all hear so differently. I mean, exponential horns with plastic diaphrams sound much brighter to me than the Reference titanium drivers. It really fries me out when someone says Reference sounds 'bright'. I'm glad Heritage earbleeders brought me the Reference screechboxes. I have to concede the fact that without them, I would never have been able to have such screeching good sound! This is really kind of funny. Each half of the Klipsch family thinks the other half is whacked. Hey! We're a real family!! Mike - what is so scary about the 2 10's in the RF7?Very light, very stiff - very good. Also, though they are copper colored - they are not copper. "Cerametallic is a specially treated aluminum that has been anodized, or electro-chemically transformed into ceramic on both outer surfaces." Ed, thanks for being cool about my rant ------------------ deanG
  11. It sucks when I miss my meds Stu pidass - lighter yet stiffer materials, built at tighter tolerances (consistently) constitutes 'new technologies'. Say what you will - but the Reference drivers kick ***. Clear, open, and fast, yet warm and liquid. Edwarde - it's you Heritage bigots that give us Reference bigots the hair trigger. Should we just lay down every time one of you starts slamming Reference. Something to think about: You should thank God for Reference - because it is the sales of Reference which will allow Klipsch to resurrect your beloved earbleeders ------------------ deanG
  12. I recently posed the question to BobG if it was a worthwhile upgrade from my two RC7's to a set of RF7's. I originally went for the RC7's because I am for the most part of the smaller box and sub school of thought. However, Bob indicated to me that 1) the RF7's are considerably more dynamic than the RC7's, and 2) that the RF7's are actually easier to integrate with a sub. When I auditioned the RF7's earlier this week, I was surprised by the absence of boominess I usually hear in tower designs. It's this 'fat', 'woody' sound that has always driven me to monitors. I didn't notice it with the RF7's. Something else to consider is that with a sensitivity of 102dbw - the RF7's can be driven with much less amplifier than the RF3 II's, RF5's, or the RC7's. Finally - The driver in the RF7 is immensely superior to the driver in the RF3 II and RF5 - and also has the larger horn. This might be a case where extra money might be best spent on speakers. ------------------ deanG This message has been edited by deang on 01-24-2002 at 11:18 PM
  13. when you consider the amount of performance you get from an RF3 or RB5 for $800 - it makes taking anything else seriously kind of laughable. I heard some McIntosh speakers last week that sounded better than RF3's - they were $3500. The RF7's however waxed them. ------------------ deanG
  14. just be glad he didn't threaten to drop a Krell on your foot ------------------ deanG
  15. boring boring boring boring ------------------ deanG
  16. Paul Harvey has also been endorsing the product for some time now. He wants to send me one but will buy it back if I don't like it! I appreciate the testimonials from people "all over the country" who feel the need to tell me how they get "concert sound" throughout their home. "Why have a huge stereo system taking up all that space when the Bose Wave Radio sounds so much better!" Yes...I simply must have one. ------------------ deanG
  17. Stu Pidass said: "New technologies? What new technologies? You're serious aren't you? You then said: "Air is moved to make sound and this will never change." I guess we will leave out the part about electrical current creating mechanical motion and everything that entails. Different driver designs, different materials utilized and the associated properties of them, etc, etc. Continuing on: "I saw a recent purchase of Heritage klipsch from 1959. They are in perfect working order and far from falling apart. Where will the new line be in say 40 or 50 years? They will, for the most part, almost certainly be landfill material." I guess that means we never see vintage Advents, AR's, or Bose? These are all MDF designs and I run across them regularly. Anything will last if it is not abused and taken care of. What is the mystic here? Finally: "As for the new line of Klipsch not being readily available on bulletin boards? The heritage lines out number them by a very very wide margin." Which is the mass market product? I forget. "Again the new lines are fine speakers but the standards have changed over the decades. There is no question about that." I thought it was just air being moved around Edwarde: Whatever. I'm too tired and annoyed to deal with your comments in an intelligent manner. I would just like to point out that 99% of everything that has ever been on the market or is on the market currently is built with MDF and glue. Just because something is built with plywood and screws doesn't mean it is going to sound good. What the hell kind of logic is that? "....and that thy name is Heritage. Crystal clear. Unpolluted. Natural. Without color. Adds nothing, takes nothing. Zero calories. As sound is live." Screech, Squawk, Honk - may I have your attention please. no color ...please ------------------ deanG
  18. RB5's yum yum ------------------ deanG
  19. The old stuff will eventually fall apart and quit working while the new lines continue to get better and better as they continue to move forward incorporating the newer technologies. With all the hype - it's surprising to me that no one has addressed the fact that as of late it seems as if everyone in the country is dumping their Heritage stuff on Ebay. I mean, if this stuff is so fantastic why are people getting rid of it. OTOH - In the last 6 months I have seen 1 pair of RB5's on AudiogoN and have never seen a set of RF7's. ------------------ deanG
  20. First rule in buying speakers: Never buy an ugly speaker. 2nd rule: Speakers should sound musical, not sound like stage gear. mpgwagon said: "I've had my Scala's for a short time, I also have newer Klipsch stuff, so I'm not an "Old Horny". I had to find out what the Big Ol Horn stuff was all about so I bought the Scala's. Nothing being built today is even close to the Heritage." This is nice. However, not everyone likes the sound of exponential horns. Evidently this is very hard for many of you to accept. Heritage certainly has a better build quality - but MDF and veneer looks very nice and seems to work just fine. I don't expect my RF7's to fall apart anytime in the near future. Boa12 said: "jmo, but the corns have a smoother, more refined sound than even the reference or klf that i also own." I don't know what Reference product you own, but it does not surprise me that the Cornwalls would sound smoother than KLF's. KLF's are earbleeders. Boa12 also said: "I have heard rf-7 driven by fine mac & other amps quite a few times now...but the corns have the more custom built sound & workmanship." The latter statement does not make any sense to me. "...they are the real klipsch sound the co. was built on, whereas the rf-7 are the mass market solution to best replicate the klipsch of old." On the contrary, Klipsch is not attempting to replicate the Klipsch of old. I don't know how to say this except to say it. The RF7 has a 'high end' sound, Heritage does not. It is obvious what Klipsch is doing and I for one am grateful. Mike said: "It is quite evident that TheEAR has never heard a pair of Cornwalls with quality amplification..." This is what we always hear when it comes to Heritage - that you have to hear it with 'quality' amplification. This usually means some type of 2 channel only tube gear. I guess it doesn't matter that this isn't everybody's cup of tea. The Reference stuff however - sounds good being driven by just about anything. eq_shadimar said: "I have not heard the RF7's but I did have RF3's before I had my Cornwalls. In my room with my amps blah blah the "Cornbreadwalls" blew away the RF3's." I guess so. However, the RF3's are not RF7's. Incidently - The RF7's also blow away the RF3's. At any rate: Exponential horns simply sound aweful to me. All you Heritage folks singing the praises of Heritage does not change the fact that I think they sound like sandpaper. Thankyou, but I'll take my Klipsch Copper Coned Crap with glued particle board over a set of ear bleeders. ------------------ deanG
  21. Nice systems Gary - are you related to Ears I listened to Magnepans for most of the 80's and 90's and made the move to Klipsch a few years ago. I started with some RB5's and a Boston PV1000 sub. Then went to a pair of RC7's and now the RF7's I also listened to some $8K McIntosh floor standers that made the RF7's look short in comparison. They actually sounded a little 'dry' to me. The RF7's are VERY good for the money. It would take a considerable amount of money to best them. ------------------ deanG
  22. The hardest part of upgrading on a limited budget is having to decide what to upgrade. Last week I started gathering all of my money together, and had my heart set on a AE-25 - but chickened out, fearing I wouldn't be able to drive the speakers to a satisfactory level. So I decided to keep my Anthem gear, and started looking at the possibility of a speaker upgrade. The RC7's I'm running right now are 98dbw, and I was thinking that if I could jack my efficiency up - I could maybe get that AE-25 down the road. All of the Heritage posts make my crazy. I covet the efficiency, but when you get right down to it, I really don't favor the overall sound that much. Sorry guys - maybe it's a mental block. So...I tread over to Carlin Audio today to give the RF7's a serious listen. I haven't been much on floor standers in the past, and as a matter of fact - I have never owned a set in my life. I don't care for long resonating panels or dual driven drivers. This may be a mental block also - but you know how this hobby is - you get something in your head and well you know. I originally bought the RC7's because I liked the two 8's and the smaller cabinet - and I never really gave the RF7's a serious listen. They only became a serious consideration last week when I made the commitment to stay with tubes. At any rate - Carlin has the RF7's tied into some very nice looking Integra gear. $3K CD/DVD player. $5K 7 channel amplifier & $4K preamp/processor. I listened with the sub and processor elements bypassed in two channel mode. I first listened to Rush Moving Pictures. Loads of serious deep bass and instrumentation perfect for judging slam and transient attack. I then listened to Pink Floyd's Momentary Lapse of Reason, mostly because I know the material so well. I finished with Queensryche's Silent Lucidity. My listening session lasted less than an hour and culminated with an order for a set in Maple. To my ears - they are simply the best sounding speakers I have ever heard. Open, powerful, detailed, and smooth - oh so smooth. Certainly not the dynamics of a K-horn, Belle, or LaScala - but hey, there is more to good sound than dynamics. The RF7's have a satisfying amount of everything. In a word - I think they are incredible. ------------------ deanG This message has been edited by deang on 01-22-2002 at 08:45 PM
  23. are they sold? ------------------ deanG
  24. actually, I was referring to a nice set of Klipsch RB5's or RF7's ------------------ deanG
  25. http://www.smarthome.com/82572.html ------------------ deanG
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