Coytee

Tom, I don't know the entire answer but in the couple applications I use (platform provided by our broker/dealer) we simply hit the space bar to activate the checkmark. It's not in front of me as I type, but as I recall... we'd hit the tab key to get to for example "question #5" and once that line is earmarked by the cursor, the space bar will check or uncheck that appropriate box. Hope it helps some... if no help, I'll refund twice what ya paid me! []

Ok, so before MY fingers get broken for asking too many questions... do I get some of the following correct? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Picking the top graph so were on the same page... It is a slice of 20hz to 200 hz. The time window is a duration of 400 milliseconds. During the 400 milliseconds, a snapshot of the sound was taken. Various frequencies were stronger than others (the humps as reading from left to right). Those peak frequencies lasted for various durations of the said 400 ms time frame before they withered away (except perhaps the first one). On to the next chart... same snapshot I presume but after some room treatments?? Now by virtue of the fingers being shorter duration, that shows us that those notes dont linger as long into the 400ms window. Since they die sooner, they either wont resonate in the room or if they do, the problem is at minimum better than it was before when they had the longer lifespan. So, if I have the basic above under some reasonable understanding, lets look at one of the fingers on the top chart. There seems to be a clearly noticeable line going down the center of the finger and the slops seem to be sharp. Meaning, if you looked at the fingers as a knife blade they have a sharp edge with the blade underneath. Can you have a more rounded blade (fatter/thicker) or do they all tend to be thin?

Dean..as an aside, did you get the spreadsheet I emailed you yesterday?

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My hope is we can start/have a discussion on waterfall plots and get into the basics of what they mean and how they can (or should be?) interpreted. Perhaps someone can post a "perfect" waterfall for a reference, explain the different sections of it (do they even have sections?) and then post a simple, yet "bad" waterfall so the differences between the two can be clearly pointed out and explained as to what the differences mean, how they might be created and how you might hear and then possibly fix them. I spoke with MAS the other night and he spent some time explaining them to me. All I had to go on was my memory of what I'd seen them look like and thought it might be a lot better if we could have a "101" class on them. Anyone willing to put them up and get into it?

My guess is they'd be difficult to find on the used market? As I understand it, the entire production was originally SUPPOSED to go strictly overseas. Second... I'm not even sure they've made the entire production run (meaning, if they've only made say, 75 pair of the 200, there is little opportunity yet for a pair to come back up on the secondary market). There has been some suggestions that they (Klipsch) might make several pair available for domestic consumption but since that comment is only say, 5 months old, I'd presume zero to one pair MIGHT have been sold domestically...again...not leaving much opportunity for them to go back up for resale. Even if they've sold 10 pair domestically, I'd suggest the odds would be low that someone would pay that kind of price & sell them this quickly (unless you're talking about Dean [A] ) Not to beat a dead horse, but if you are serious about looking at a pair of 60's... I'd suggest you look into the Jubilee and find out what kind of net cost there would be to have it made with some finished wood instead of black like we got. You could get the front face in one of their stock woods... side grills for the bass unit (like in the pictures you see with PWK standing next to it?) and I'd wonder about them having any finishing suggestions for the top horn. Bottom line... you could probably do that & end up with a better speaker sound wise and STILL be in for less money, than I understand the 60's to cost. Better speaker, fancy finish, sounds better and costs less. hmmm... []

Dean's feelings are going to be REALLY hurt now.... [:^)]

I'm starting an uncalled for rumor, that he's hunting down some old EV 30" drivers...

Thanks all for your thoughts & comments. What I think I believe to be the 'best' course... is to first, do nothing. Let this time pass for all involved. Perhaps in a week or two, I can (unless father in law does) contact them & gently remind them we might have some of their things if they want to get out here with a truck and pick it up. Then perhaps wait the expected 30/60 days for them to do nothing and THEN send some form of certified letter so it is officially documented. I think that letter would then be the place to give a specific deadline and what our intents are if the stuff isn't picked up. Frankly, I think most of what's left is just some clothes that didn't go before due to trunk space. The specific item I'm 'worried' (bad word but drives my point) about is the darn treadmill. I'd suppose it cost over a grand new (no idea really) and certainly might be something they want since it's more of a hard asset instead of a dress she might have had for 5 years. So... right now... I do nothing & just let this time pass quietly.

I'm glad it came across that way. I feared it might sound mean spirited and I was actually going to go back & delete it. Your second line... that directed to me? If so and if I understand it correctly... yes, you CAN obtain the BIG Juby horn (K-402) as well as the K-69 driver for it and the little tray it stands on, delivered to you for "about" $1,000 each. That is delivered to your door but does not include any ribs or ice cream. (I think it was supposed to have those included but somehow when the box goes by Roy's office, the goodies disappear) You can then slap the horn on top of Belle or LaScala and make it work. I once made a thread titled JubScala as I recall and that was the logic behind it. Nice thing about doing that is you're down the road to the Jubilees and can stairstep your way there.

You mean, after they're sold to you??? [6] []

Dean.. another email sent to you

I wouldn't say anything would be a problem... however... the idea of us 'storing' it for someone who has shown ZERO effort to deal with these things over the last 6 months has used up some of our patience. Point being, if he's already had 6 months to deal with it, who's to say he's EVER going to deal with it? Here is this guy's mother who moved home. Needing & wanting some of her belongings back with her and he's simply 'too busy' to deal with one iota of this. Had the time frame been 6 weeks... ok, maybe he's got a big case and can't get away for 1/2 day... but over 6 months... I tend to discount that. What I see happening (as a possiblity) is us storing it either "forever" or for a long time until it might get damaged or worse. Then, if it gets damaged, I see him raising cane wanting us to reimburse him/them for the damage (item is currently in pristine condition). He's dodged opportunties to help clear his mothers things out before and frankly, what I REALLY think will happen is he'll simply "forget" about her things at Walts house forever more. I don't want any kind of limbo hanging over Walt's/our heads. This should have been resolved months ago and now that she's gone, it's clearly time for him to deal with it and if he doesn't close the door on this issue, I will (somehow). I know Walt won't deal with it as (for example) he had a contractor do some work at his house 3 YEARS ago and the contractor left a small ladder there. Walt called the contractor and he said he'd be back to pick it up. 3 years later, the ladder is still there. Walt won't throw it away "just in case" the guy shows up... well... in my book, the guy has lost all rights to the ladder and poor Walt needs to grow some gonads and close that door too. The silly ladder is sitting outside next to the workshed, waiting for the dude. Can you tell who the jerk in the family is??!! [:$]

No condolences needed to me, as my emotional attachment here isn't as high as it could have been. My wifes father has had a girlfriend for say... 15 years now. Ever since his wife passed away. She moved in with him about 13 years ago (technically uninvited but I don't think he cared TOO much!!) Over the 13 years, she has looked out for him, cooked for him and so on. MANY of her belongings have osmosed to his house over the years. She has kept her house in working order, about an hour away. Last summer she developed clots in her lungs and that was the beginning of her downward spiral. Several months ago, Walt FINALLY told her he (in his mid 80's and tons of health issues) can't look after her (in her mid 70's and otherwise, in prior great health). She got antsy about that & moved back to HER house. As an aside, she's been on oxygen since last summer. Over the weeks of her moving home, she asked him to bring her, her clothes & belongings. He did take her most of (if not all) her clothes, however, he simply can NOT take her a treadmill she had at his house. He mentioned the treadmill and perhaps other items to her son who lives in between the two houses. She didn't want to put her son out to come get these things and she suggested that possibly I be the one to deliver them to her (of course, I don't have any truck or trailer either, just like her son) Her son never did come out to get anything. He simply ignored the reality and "we" weren't going to go rent a truck or something to deliver said items to her. To be clear... there are no anamosities here, other than a large disdain to her son who has never lifted a finger to dig in and help out. He's much too busy (at 55 ?) to go to swim competitions in the AARP class so he can beat up on other guys who are 70 years old it seems. Ok... I know this is long winded but I think some of the history is needed. She passed last night. her treadmill is STILL at Walt's house. Her son(s) have NEVER made any comment, effort or the like, to retrieve it nor any other of her belongings. Now that she's gone, I think it's even LESS likely they'll put any effort into it. One of them (the local son) happens to be an attorney. The wife, sister in law & Walt have chatted about these things and how they are going to "tell" the son he needs to do such & such... Realizing he's shown ZERO interest & effort to date, to do ANYTHING our way to help his mother, I'm not so sure words are the way to deal with him. I've told them they need to move all her things into the garage and that I'd help. List it all and then send him a certified letter, telling him he's got "X" days to get it all or we'll dispose of it however we see fit. Seeing as he's an attorney and as I recall once, has laughingly said "it's my JOB to piss people off" (or some derivation of that) I don't want to get into a situaton of "he said, she said" with him. He's a fairly arrogant idiot, shown little regard for his mother (as far as we saw her in OUR world...which, since she LIVED here, was actually quite a bit). I want to somehow make this clean and give him ONE chance to deal with it and if he fails to deal with it, then his door of recourse, will be closed. Any suggestions, or is my "move to garage, make list, send certified with receipt letter" sufficient??? Thanks for any thoughts and for reading the small novel.

I wonder if she licked her fingers yet??? She should probably refrain from putting the probes under the faucet ??

Marion, I think it's looking great!! I'm especially looking forward to seeing yours completed so I can get some ideas on possibly finishing them.

Beware of Chloe... tis all I have to say... [:#] you've now been warned. [Z] ............. [&]

Just so you know... I have specifically asked Roy about mating the K-402 with a LaScala bass bin. He said it should work and sound fabulous. He ALSO said he'd be able to "run the numbers" (or something like that) in the chamber and come up with what the crossover should be. So, you'd simply get the numbers from him and let one of the xover guys build it for you while you wait for your order to arrive.

I think about $7500 plus the price for the active crossover. Coytee could confirm. Carl. I think the number Roy prefers us to use is "about $7,000". This number is WITHOUT any crossover but it does include any shipping. I think they use "about" so they have some fudge room if someone lives 500 miles away like me or someone else who lives 2,000 miles away.

Now I can stop taking inventory of all my silverware... [:^)]

I DO like the way you think

Free accomodations for your night of arrival (however there ARE charges for using the "facilities" [] [:$] don't worry though, we have a lot of woods around us) []

Chesters is simply the best pizza I've ever had anywhere (and I've been around) http://www.chesterspizza.com/ Graeters is some fantastic ice cream based in Cincinnati. They have some stores I think in Dayton area (not sure) http://graeters.com/ I urge you to read the history of Graeters and pay specific attention to how old the company is. Then realize that if you stop by there (factory near downtown) you just might see one of the current owners who is the GRANDSON of the founder (founded in 1879 or 128 years ago!!) You don't see too many family operations that are not only 128 years old, but only in their 3rd generation of ownership (admittedly these guys are past retirement age)

Here is a rough map. Next door to 'the farm' where I live is a new development. Guy bought 40/50 acres for 1/2 mil. He's now developing it and calling it Yellowwood. http://www.yellowwoodproperties.com/Local.html If/as anyone drives to my house, you will pass the front gates of Yellowwood and see this guy's house up on the right and his boat dock on the left.

Wow...so this really is a possiblity?? How close do I let you drive before I tell you I was joking? []