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Hey there, I think that the Krell is an EXCELLENT match for most Klipsch. However, I was highly disappointed with their multi channel amps. So if you have a stereo amp, you will be very happy with the result that you get. Good luck and wish you lots of good times with the setup. -F

Raptorman, Thanks for the info. Got Around Again's info from 411, called them up and am gonna go there tomorrow. Hope to get some good stuff there. Will keep you posted if you're interested. Thanks once again. Fauzi

Hey guys, Been out of commission for a little while. Travelling and work and all. Anyways, I'm in Toronto for a few weeks on business and wanted to know if anyone can help me out with finding LP's in the Mississauga area. That's where I live and am currently immobile. Or in the Downtown area, because that's an easy bus/subway ride away. Thanks, -F

Hey there, Veeeery interesting and great pics. One question: In horn-loaded design, how much does that cabinet affect the sound of the entire speaker? I know that in cone based, the cabinet makes a world of a difference... same is true with horns? I would think that the bass horn would be affected to some extent. -Fauzi

Hi there, Just my two cents. This is a discussion that has gone on in my mind many many times. And I've found that, in order to make any sense of it, you have to make one very basic assumption: In today's highly competitive world economy, with it's highly educated consumer base, it is very hard to survive for any decent period of time if you can not justify the price of your products, because your competition will. You guys are absolutely right when you say that the parts that go into a $1,000 amp and one that costs $5,000 are not THAT different. However, when put together as a whole, they have to fulfill the value that the customer expects. Unfortunately for those of us seeking good deals, the definition of the value held in the mind of the average, ill-informed customer does not mean the same thing it does to you and I. We may define a speakers value by the it's sensitivity, it's cabinetry, the type of drivers used, the caps in the crossover, etc. However, it's not secret that the majority of the speaker buying populace define the value by the name of the company on the grill, or how quickly the vibration knocks the frames off of the walls. And frankly, (as much as I HATE to say this), these companies have worked REALLY hard to convince the consumer that their product, just based on the insignia on the chasis, is far superior to the competition that sells their products for a lesser price. Case in point: in researching multi-channel sound and the Lexicon, I went over to a friend's place who has the Meridien 568 processor. Now, granted that is a wonderful product, provided you know how to set it up and get the most out of it. But he just did not... After hearing his setup, I left with the feeling that this gentleman could have done just as well owning a very medium level Marantz or Yamaha HT amp that might sell for around a grand and half rather than springing the $6k that he did for this piece. But then, he wouldn't have slept easy with the knowledge that he had a Meridien processor (albeit, HIGHLY under-utilized) sitting in his cabinet. How many such people do all of you know? I'm sure numerous. Just my thoughts... Great topic. -F

---------------- On 5/12/2005 8:18:53 PM kuisis wrote: I just picked up a JBL subwoofer at a yard sale today, ten bucks. I have a scott 233 and a pair of industrial lascalas and have no idea how or if I can set up this subwoofer to try. There is a switch for phase 0 or 180 and a dial for the crossover frequency. Is this subwoofer compatable or should I just resell it? Thanks in advance. ---------------- What speaker connections does it have? Just bare wire terminals, or does it also have room for RCA cables? If the former, then I think most subs are connected between the speakers and the amp. As in, the speaker wire is led from the amp to the "IN" or "From Amp" terminals on the woofer, and then from the "OUT" or "To Speakers" terminals to the main speakers. If it's just the latter, then yes, it probalby is incompatible, unless you have a subwoofer out on your amp. Once that is done, mess around with the crossover dial to see which lows sound better sent to the woofer than to the LS's and set it there. Best of luck! If it sounds good, then it's a great deal!!! You can always turn around and sell it for $15, and have someone negotiate their way into profiting you a few bucks! -F

Oops, sorry... didn't answer part of your question. About the Rotel 1080, though I've used it, I can't really compare cause I haven't done a direct A/B comparision. However, in my mind, I feel that the Silver Line of Nad components will really blow the Rotels out of the water. Plus, I like the looks better too. The brushed metal faceplate with the blue lights are quite sexy. -F

---------------- On 5/8/2005 3:33:14 PM kohill wrote: Does anyone have one of these? There are a few on Audiogon. How would it compare to the Rotel RB 1080? Thanks ---------------- Hey there, Haven't personally used the S200, but I have used the S300 Dual Monoaural Integrated Amp with my KHorns, and it was just magnificent. I have also used the C270 Power Amp with the relevant pre, and though slightly underpowered, makes a phenomenal job of creating crystal clear highs and mids. Keep in mind, though, that the Silver Line amps, the ones that start with the 'S' in the model number are truly great amps, beastly in size, weight, and performance. Can't help you with the price though. I do remember getting the brand new C270 / pre combo for under a grand, US$. I know the silver line is significantly more expensive though, as they are all made in the UK. -Fauzi

---------------- On 5/6/2005 12:35:25 PM sivadselim wrote: can you get el pollo loco in karachi, pakistan? because they do have kfc there. i always found that quite amusing. ---------------- Sivadselim, No you don't.... but why do you ask? Personally, I used to love El Pollo Loco while I was in the US, but that was almost ten years ago. KFC over here is a HOT HOT HOT favorite, though I can't seem to understand why. Nando's RULZ!!! -F

Paul, "I'm not positive what route you're considering here, but I think you're talking about deriving extra channels from a two-channel source." Well, kind of but not exactly. That was the starting point, obviously. After following the aforementioned thread about Erik's Lexicon comments, I started reading into these processors and really researching them. Though I couldn't find the DC-1 mentioned in that thread, I was able to mess around with an MC-1, and, for a longer period a Meridien 568.2... And suffice it to say that they definitely do more with 2 channel into multi channel than anything I had even thought about earlier. However, having said all of that, you are absolutely right about multi-channel recordings being far superior in this regard. But that's part of my dilemna also. I would like to expand into multi-channel music (with the possibility of SACD, DVD-A, etc.) and also come back to 2-channel music for the bulk of my listening. Which is why I wonder if a Krell multi channel amp would behave nearly as well as my Mac with the KHorns if I bypass all processing for good ol' fashioned stereo. Peter, You're right about the Kefs not being very efficient. I don't have the documentation with me, but from what I remember their efficiency is in the early 90's, if that even. However, don't tell my wife, but I have a pair of KG's lying around which might just sneak up into the set up some day! Colin, "don't think Krell compares to Mac for super-efficient horns!" You've waded through the long drawn out post of mine and come right down to the crux of the matter. Unfortunately, that's not what I wanted to hear. I'm convinced that the Lex would do well with the horns. I just want some power that will do justice to both the Lex and the KHorns in plain two channel. Further opinions welcome, guys. -F

Hi Guys! Recently, I really picked the brains of a few people here, namely Shawn and Erik regarding multi channel music and systems. Now I've boiled it down to the following choices, and I want to either pull the trigger or simply put it behind me and never (yeah right!!) think about it again. My current system includes: Rotel CD-01 CD Player 1971 K-Horns (currently being re-veneered) Vintage Pioneer TT (with a brand new Shure cartridge) McIntosh MA 6400 SS Integrated. Let me begin by saying that all of this was put together after a full year of chatting with you guys and finally settling down on this setup. And I absolutely adore it. Especially the Mac. Just got the TT up and running so haven't really spent too much time on it, but so far so great. But since the extremely informative threads on multi channel music were started by Erik, I have started reading up on it and getting demos arranged for me. Read a few manuals etc, and realized that this is something that I really would like to get into. Thus, I started a thread a couple of weeks ago asking for some input. A few of you were kind enough to get me pushed into the right direction, and I have now come to this crossroads. A brand new Krell KAV 500 (5 channel amp with rave reviews, but discontinued) and a Lexicon MC-1 (again brand new, again rave reviews, and again discontinued) are both available here. The trick is that I would have to get rid of my Mac and pay about 3 grand over and above it. Some obvious drawbacks to this are that I would have to get another pre for my TT, as I don't believe the Lex has a Phono in. If I DO go with this setup, however, I have an old Klipsch center channel that used to match my Heresies. And for the rears I would use Kef Reference Series Bookshelves and I have a strong feeling that this would end up being a very very decent surround set up. Losing sleep at nights! What would you do? -Fauzi

---------------- On 4/25/2005 8:17:21 AM sfogg wrote: "A new Lexicon MC-1 is available here (even though I believe they're now discontinued) for slightly over $3,500. To me that sounds like a HECK of a lot of money. Worth looking into?" In the US $3500 is WAY too much money for a MC-1. They typically sell between $1000 to $1600 or so. MC-1s are based on the same design as the DC-1 just with new DACs, ADC and line stage. The processing in a v4 DC-1 is the same as the processing in a v4 MC-1. For $3500 you could buy a brand new MC-4 or maybe even a MC-8. If you look around hard enough you might even be able to find a used MC-12 for that. Shawn ---------------- Hey Shawn, Sorry to keep bugging you every few days... A couple of things... After reading a bit more into the various models out there, I decided not to go for the MC-1. Though, fyi, he had brought the price down to about $2700. Going to buy a new MC-8, most probably soon, for round about $4k. What's your take on this? However, I just checked out a Meridian 568.2 at a friend's place. The tragedy here is that this guy had no clue about the processing power that he had hidden away on his audio rack. To him, it was just a cool piece of equipment with a cool remote control that sits on the table. But after reading through the manual a bit, it sounds like this unit offers quite a lot of flexibility in the various modes for both theater and music as well. Anyone familiar with this unit at all? -F

Shawn (and anyone else who can respond), A new Lexicon MC-1 is available here (even though I believe they're now discontinued) for slightly over $3,500. To me that sounds like a HECK of a lot of money. Worth looking into? -F

Carl / Shawn, Thanks for the info. I finally went and got the Rotel as a loaner to try to get an entry point into multichannel, and I have to tell you, I am actually quite impressed. Still messing around with it, so I'll be giving more updates later on. But suffice it to say that this processor does not come across as highly flexible. As a matter of fact, it seems like it is geared towards very simple household usage. The bass management is controlled to the extent of digital crossover frequency in increments of 20 Hz. But the good thing is that you can set this to be different for each of the various surround modes. Other than that, I hooked up the processor fed it to a Rotel 5 channel power for the surrounds (KG's) , and my Mac integrated SS for the front KHorns. Even though I'm sure there is a lot of messing around to do with the setups, initial impression is.... Astounding. I love the concept of being surrounded by the sound where the different channels are playing different portions of the music, and it comes out as a whole piece the envelopes you. I don't know if anyone has encountered this problem, though. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out a reference cd to set up the processor with. Any suggestions? More on this later. -F

Hmmmm... Interesting stuff. The only Lexicon processors available here are the new MC range, which are worth thousands of dollars. I'm on the hunt for a DC-1 or DC-2, but meantime, I think I'm going to get the Rotel 1068 and get started on this. I'm really curious to see how the imaging is improved. I shall write back more on it a little later. Thanks a lot for the help, guys. Regards, -F

Shawn, "The Rotel will have a pretty good mode in DPLII Music but I personally like the modes in the Lexicon better as I think they give a more natural/seamless presentation and they also offer more tuning options." What sort of tuning options? Are they detailed and in depth enough to allow you to say send certain frequencies to certain channels? What sorts of flexibilities are available in the Lexicon that may not be available in the Rotels? "Do you mean multi-channel as in processing that expands the music from 2 channels out to more channels or in native multi-channel music such as SACD or DVD-A?" Actually, both. More so in 2-channel, however, because where I come from, SACD's and DVD-A's are not that readily available. Plus, the whole concept of deriving "more" out of a 2 channel is a really appealing concept. I read somewhere that the true meaning of "High-Fidelity" is (in simple terms) reproducing exactly what goes into the microphone at the time of the recording. Well, to me, this options seems more capable of creating the experience of "being there" rather than just what went into the microphone. -F

Hey there, I remember reading many earlier threads about Erik experimentation with the Lexicon DC-1 processor, and got extremely interested. Just went through some of the threads again, and a few questions popped into my head. First of all: What differentiates the Lexicon to say Rotel 1096 or 1066. That too is a pre/pro, and from the reviews I've read, quite flexible as far as steering sounds to the various channels go. Got all the decoders for the various cinematic encodings, as well as "music-friendly". This is true for most such pre/pro's out there these days. Second of all: There are several available on Ebay quite regularly, but the ones that I have seen are the version 4 of the software. I remember Shawn stating that his was a slightly later version of the software, 4.2 I believe. Is it easy enough to update the software through the RS-232's or is that something that is not possible? Mainly, I get more and more interested in multi-channel music, the more I read into it. So, not to start a flame war of any sort, but it seems to me that the markets of non-vintage gear is very rapidly moving towards multi-channel. Is that an accurate reading? Because no matter what gear you get, and whether it new or used, multi-channel becomes quite heavy on the wallet. I wonder if the volumes are justifying this business. I'm planning on getting a used 5-channel Rotel 1075 to get started on this and was going to ease into a digital process also. I have a pair of KG 5's for the rears and a set of KEF references for the fronts. Would entering multi-channel with this setup be worth my while? Random questions, but your help is much appreciated. After all, you guys talked me into a Mac / KHorn 2-channel set up!! So your responses carry a lot of weight for me. Thanks, -F

Hmmm.. Dragonfyr, that stuff's not that easy to get in Pakistan. Will check though to see what's available, besides WD40... Just for my own reference, why not WD40? I've seen audio repair guys using it all the time. Also, is it easy enough to access the balance pots (?) once the top is open on this amp? Thanks for the help. -F

Hi, Just a small question. My integrated Macintosh 6400 has developed a little crackling in the left channel. It gets ok after I turn the balance knob back and forth a little bit. But it comes and goes. Carbon on the insides? That's my guess. I figure it's easy enough to open and spray clean the thing with WD 40, or the like. But I wanted to make sure with you guys first. Also, if you have any tips on being cautious, I'd appreciate them also. Please help. Can't sit straight with the amp sounding like that. -F

---------------- On 4/14/2005 9:50:56 PM jacksonbart wrote: P.P.S. For even larger soundstage projection - 2 pairs of RF-7s in RR-LL configuration... 4 Palladium monos, same preamp... that should about use up the budget. There is a member who actually has 6 RF7s across the front in RRR LLL configuration. Forget their user name, dont know how it would sound, but sure looked impressive. Anybody else see that post? ---------------- Don't mean to hijack a thread, but how would the electronics get configured for that? The wiring? Are there pres out there that can put out 3 outs of the same source? -F

Hey!!! Thebes, though he may have a knack for helping out his fellow forum members, can not have my vote for the free set of speakers, until he comes clean about the twins!! I've searched the entire forum for posts that reveal the origins of this mystery, but came up emptyhanded.... Lots of images of a slightly bald and very avatar-orange man in compromising situations with two gorgeous blondes come to mind... but I simply smile and let the thought slowly (eveeer so sloooowly) leave me and get back to hunting for the truth. Thebes, I WILL get to the bottom of this. -F

---------------- On 4/11/2005 5:50:42 PM DeanG wrote: You won't need the 30 day return policy. You'll be using the 3 hour return policy instead. ---------------- Dean, You're being most cryptic.... why? Just curious. -F

Toooo Funny!! In my ever growing need to provide our friendly forum members (not the unfriendly ones, mind you!) with entertaining reading, I found myself on audioreview.com looking up reviews on what else but Bose 901's. My search had nearly come up dry, till I found this little doozy!!! It's a little long, but bear with it... The Klipsch comparision is just too funny. And it does have a happy ending!!! Well sort of... He's stil stuck with bose, but at least he's happy. Man, oh man... this guy has been through some painful times, it seems! Enjoy!! -F --------------------------- Summary: Summary: TO ALL 901 OWNERS AND 901 HATERS first of all let me state I am a 901 owner and have 3 friends who own 901s one who owns 2 sets (double bose) I have heard every direct/reflecting speaker bose ever made from the original 901 to 901V,801,701,601,501,301,201,10.2 series THE BAD NEWS: contrary to what all the bose owners have posted here the speakers do sound like crap 90% of the time you hear them in most rooms most 901 owners don't have a clue as to what good sound is or how to achieve it with their speakers (good sound is possible as you see later on) I can tell by their post that they have no idea what effects the sound quality of 901 more than anything else and its not just distance from wall what makes 901 owners seem so deaf when it comes to good sound and why does anyone buy this speaker in the first place? is what most sane people want to know well deny this if you want to but it's the hype "compare these speakers to any other speaker regardless of size or price" they think hey I only wanted good speakers but for only $1299 I could have the best so in other words I could buy a speaker the size of a refrigerator or costing $30,000 and these would still sound better because of the technology? yep you can buy these mid-fi speakers or supersize to the 901 and have the best but where can they compare these to the larger or exotic speakers? certainly not any store that sells 901 thats for sure well they have the 701 I'll compare with them no they are a step down and I want the best (note:dealers don't carry 901s cause the sound good they carry them cause they sell good,even if they can't figure out why people buy them,hey as long as they sell we don't need to carry speakers that sound better) NOW ALL YOU 901 OWNERS WHO SAY THEY SOUND GOOD did you really ever compare them to any thing but the junk they sell at stores that sold you the 901 Hell no you didn't if you had you wouldn't be the proud owner of 901s and post all that dumb stuff about your great sound that you really don't have if you only knew how stupid you sound to others who have heard them and gagged (over the years I have taken my 901's to compare them to other high end speakers one dealer was nice enough to let me bring them to a high end store and compare them to his best speakers,this is what bose says to do, I guess they never really expected anyone to actually do it. the experience was an embarassing one to say the least as this was a golden ear dealer. well I also compared my 901s to a guy I met there speakers, klipsch cornwalls, he worked at the high end store i took my 901s over to his house and even though his were not the greatest speakers I could tell mine had problems with over all tonal balance, imaging, detail and they didn't sound rich and musical but more like comparing a loud fm radio source to a cd source in his extremely small room DAMN 901s DUSTED BY SOME KLIPSCH er...CORNBALLS rather than concede they were junk I began an obsession into trying to get my 901s to sound like the best, new electronics,new cd player, weeks then months of trying every possible placement in various rooms moving inches closer to the rear wall listening further from wall listening closer to side walls further then closer together whew!!! I even called bose and talked to techs as to why I could not get my 901s to sound like the best speakers one tech who must must have got a kick out of bewildered bose callers with the same problem. he just sort of chuckled and said he never ever thought they were the best. he though they were good but...then I knew I had been screwed YEARS LATER after moving to a house with brick exterior walls the strangest thing happen I hooked my 901s and they sounded good no great what!!! these junk speakers that I had tried in every position in other houses what happened? What happened is the only way to get great sound from 901s is the rooms you use them in has to not let any sound pass through I'm not talking about a reflective surface since 901s don't have a speaker box your room is like a speaker box it has the rear drivers facing the wall and if that wall is just drywall it allows to much of the sound to pass through and reflects the wrong portions back into the room resulting in the washed out sound the 901 is famous for with the walls outside the dry wall being brick you have a tighter seal and all sound and frequencies are directed back into the room in equal portions something that was never achieved in all my other setups the resulting sound was very smooth highs ,rich midrange,extended non boomy bass,good imaging gone was all the harsh sound usually associated with 901s you 901 owners if you don't have yours in a home with brick walls or in a basement with Strengths: it is possible to get very good sound in right situation this is the reason for some of the positive reveiws, the room must have had the ideal acoustics and size..note no amount of correct placement can make up for the poor room, they will sound horrible no matter where or how you place them in room with thin walls,the room is 90% of the sound of 901's Weaknesses: in most cases and rooms good sound is not possible causing many owners to be in denial about the sound quality Similar Products Used: all bose 901 series I thru V bose 501 current speakers dbx soundfields 1a,infinity,carver,

You guys are mean!! Upon closer inspection, however, it seems you have a right to be... In the first picture that shows his "extremely rare" posters, I think those are a pair of Bose 901's in the corners. Dig in, boys!!! -F

Flegz, Don't have much to contribute about the TT, but I'm sorry to hear about what happened. Hope it works out... But man, oh man... What a cool avatar!!! Regards, -F