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Greetings! It's been a long time since I've perused the Klipsch forums and actually used Klipsch speakers for that matter. Got hooked on EMIT loaded Infinities, but miss that rich Klipsch sound so am looking to get some old Klipsch speakers again. What are y'all's opinions on either KLF-20s (for 750) or CF-2s (for 375)? I have an SAE 02 system (T102 tuner, P102 pre, and A202 amp) that I would be using with these. I don't remember what all has been said about either the Epics or the Legend serieseseses. Are they even comparable and are those good prices for either? Any input would be much appreciated. Many thanks to you all!

Ok, thanks.

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Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I can't say I know what DCR is, maybe I'm just slow today or something [:S] Would it be worth it to match them based on each transistors beta, which is what I was told to do elsewhere, or is that the same thing as what you just said?

I hope I can get some clear answers from you guys here, so here's the deal: I've got an old Harman Kardon Citation 12 that, after much trouble shooting, I've found has a bad differential pair on the right channel, causing the amp to click and pop, which brings the possiblity of blowing tweeters, which is why I'm not using it. I went through a long process of figuring out that that is what's wrong and was then told by some nice people on another forum that, since the particular part is a) no longer made and two PNP transistors in a single part, I should replace that one transistor with a matched pair of 2N5087s, which makes plenty of sense. However, do transistors for this particular amp (keep in mind that it's about 40 years old) need to be matched and if so, how do I go about matching them? Thanks!

Yeah, those subs have certainly been a long time coming, but oh my word, I'm sure the time spent will be well worth it when they've finally got power to em'. I am so jealous []

Jack, congrats on the Rotel. Once you get it set up properly, it should be fantastic. My only thoughts on the issue is to turn every single surround setting off on the receiver. Make sure there is no delay set, no surround processing on, and go from there. Double check all your connections and try a figure out what kind of room modes (if any) are programmed into the receiver and see if those have any effect. Isn't troubleshooting so much fun? And as for the faint hissing, that's normal. It's just a result of an unclean power source. Happens with most everything, nothing to worry about.

For me it was easily getting rid of my big Madison PA speakers for some 1980s Infinity RS5s with the Polydomes and EMITs. Sweet goodness to my ears!

I'm with colter on this one. When I saw "Red Wine Audiophiles" I was thinking Red Wine Audio, not the beverage...oh well...

Nice room you got there OS. I love the single chair, a true man-cave (even if only temporary). I have one question though, are those Epik Conquests you've got in the pictures? You mentioned the ULS Quaddrive, but those subs pictured look much bigger the HSUs, just wondering. Definitely a nice room you've got there anyways!

Just to close up this thread, I actually ended up with a decent condition Harman/Kardon Citation 12, so I'll have to see how that goes. Thanks for all the help everyone!

Haha! True. Well, I guess that's that then. Still, there's always hope that maybe you could help with negotiations, possibly? I don't know, but again good luck!

Yeah, sorry about that. This thread got WAY hijacked. Anyways, as for Coyte, if she's settled on the Camry, honestly, there's not much anyone else could do to sway her to something else. My best advice would be for her to try and find a used one, no more than four years old, as you could probably get one close to 10, possibly less and with this recession we're going into, personally, I would want to be as thrifty with my money as possible. On the other hand, with some clever negotiations you could maybe could get the price below 20k...nevertheless, which ever way you go, good luck with it! My final $.02

You can easily find a decent receiver for 400. I picked up my HK-3380 (which is 2 channel by the way, the multi-channel Harman/Kardons are designated by "AVR", just so you know). Harman Kardon always has many many auctions for refurbished receivers directly from them on ebay, so just don't be afraid to buy from them. They're where I got my receiver, for 117 bucks shipped too, and I've had it for almost four years now. Am using it as we speak too. Here's HKs ebay page http://stores.ebay.com/Harman-Audio. Just shop around, you might strike a good deal and be able to move more of your budget over towards buying a sub! Personally, I'd get the receiver first and see a) if a sub is really necessary (it might not be, I don't use one) and how much money you saved from you budget and then have to spend towards a sub if you decide you want one.

I'm not sure about an equivalent model and besides, the AVR 7300 is discontinued. And like I said, it all depends on how much money you want to spend as to whether or not you go with 5 or 7 channels. Either way gives you room to upgrade in the future, just one gives you two more channels with which to do so. And about a sub, go with one that's powered. And that's not likely the case. Just because a sub doesn't have an amp doesn't mean that more money was invested on the driver itself. In all actuality, you'll be hard pressed to find a non-powered sub these days. Most of them that aren't powered are DIY. Besides, depending on how much you shop around, you can get a pretty decent sub for not much money.

Absolutely get the RB-5s over the RSXs. And they won't necessarily need more power than the RSXs. They're a full 3 db more efficient, which is a good bit, so with the same amount of juice, you would get significantly more volume. As for a subwoofer, had you stuck with the RSXs, you would absolutely need one, but the RB-5s, maybe not so much. It'll depend on your tastes and how they're set up to see if you like the bass you'll get from them. About the receivers. One crucial element that you haven't mentioned is how much you want to spend. And yes, Klipsch are fairly bright (at first at least), though the simple two-band EQ on most receivers is enough to take the edge off. I had very good results with my old RF-15s on my HK receiver. I hate to keep recommending Harman/Kardon only, but I've been using their stuff for some time now and love it. Probably won't ever use anything else if I'm honest. As for the Yamaha, I've heard them to be bright as well, but like I said, the built in EQ can at least do a little bit to ease off the bright high-end. The best thing to do is to read reviews online and check out receivers at the electronics store. If you can find somewhere that sells that specific Yamaha model, you might find that you don't like the way it works and that you prefer a Denon or Onkyo, you know what I mean? Like I said before, the best thing to do is research on what you're looking for before you spend $1100 on a receiver that might not suit you. In all honesty, it would probably work just fine, but at the same time, you could likely find something that works just as well for 1/2 the cost, maybe even less. I would go ahead and get the RB-5s, certainly and then take some time looking at receivers. It's not often that RB-5s come up, and they're certainly very good...sorry about the ramble. I hope this helps at least a little!

100,000 mph is pretty fast.... Although I'm biased towards American cars, it cannot be denied that Japanese cars are pretty good themselves. However, it bothers me when people like Jay are ignorant to the fact that American cars are just as good as any foreign competitors and have been for sometime, if not better. Without a doubt, they didn't used to be, but most people are ignorant to that, which is why the Big 3 can't sell a car to begin with, but I digress. I am a firm believer in the quality of American cars. We had a 1997 GMC Savana van (conversion van) that we got rid of earlier this year. Had 183,000 miles on it, which might not seem like much, but when you consider that about at least twenty-five to thirty THOUSAND of those miles were on dirt roads (NOT what it was built for) because we took it camping all the time and the fact that it never stranded us once, you cannot deny the quality or reliability.

I think I'll hopefully end up with that XL-280 you're referring to fenderbender. The guy has been very nice and prompt with emails and the amp looks to be nearly immaculate with the pictures I've seen of it, but I don't want to bother him until after Christmas about it, so I'll have to see how that goes. What's even better is that my wonderful family got me a pair of Audioquest Rockefellers today, so life is good!

You're right, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a horribly bad way to go...

Rockets, you're right. I wasn't going to say it for fear of getting chewed out by ignorants, but you're absolutely correct. We're screwed and I'm worried...

I guess I need to ask this now. Is 250 plus 20 or so shipping a good price on an XL-280? The amp is in almost perfect condition and is said to funtion properly...any thoughts?

I hope you're right. The local DH-200 was sold to someone else, but I'm working on getting the XL-280 fenderbender pointed out for me earlier so I'll have to see how that goes...

Well then, I guess that's that. Thanks colter.

Thanks fenderbender! I never can find small sites like that one, so I'm always stuck on ebay or craigslist. I'll definitely ask him about it and see what I can do.

These days, just about every receiver you can buy has all of that built in, so yes, that's right. And I've never seen a home audio powered subwoofer that had amplifier channels built in to power seperate satellites, like the computer speakers you mentioned. I've only ever seen that with a set of PC speakers, so no, that doesn't work. And you want to take your time choosing a receiver, especially if you've settled on the RSX-5s. It never hurts to go to the local electronics store and ask about stuff, just be aware that anywhere you go, they'll try and make a sale, especially on a more expenisve piece of equipment that you might not necessarily want. And again, I recommend Harman/Kardon receivers. Go to their website, read up on their units. You may decided you want to stick with a two channel receiver or go with a surround sound one so you can upgrade futher on up the road. It's all up to you really. And be sure to shop around on craigslist and ebay. If you see something that catches your eye, google it, read up on it. Do your homework before you lay down any hard-earned money so you'll be sure you got what you want. And again, welcome to the madness!!!