Sick Mother

At $1,000, you might want to rethink your budget for 7.1 or reconsider your setup. Do you have any gear at the moment, or do you need everything (cables, TV, stand, reciever, etc.)? Does the setup have to be reference? Klipsch's reference line is great, but you might be pressed to get some nice stuff (much less SEVEN speakers, sub, reciever and cables for a grand). I think most people here would agree there is VERY little, if any difference between a 5.1 and 7.1 setup unless you have a. a treated room, b. a blu ray-player AND disks encoded in seven channels and c. a receiver that can handle it. Even then people are split on it's impact on your listening experience. Looking at 5.1 might help make this project more possible. Besides, you can always add the other channels later if you really want. (I've had 5.1 for years and have no interest in "upgrading"). Having said this, keep a look on this forum as well as audiogon (to name just two) for good used gear. My recommendation would be to buy the best front speakers (l/c/r) you can, since this is where a vast majority of the sound will be coming from. I would not spend much of your budget on cables or reciever - the technology changes, values drop quickly, etc. Before buying my RF-83 setup, I had synergy f-3s and c-3 and they sounded GREAT. Take a look at those. Good luck and God bless.

I'd get the 63's now and worry about the surrounds later. Deals alway pop up and the surrounds aren't nearly as important as your fronts. John

+1 What is the main application for this display? Sports? Movies? Entertaining? If its sports or entertaining, I would DEFINETLY steer clear of a projector. How often are you entertaing in the dark (with your clothes on and watching a TV)[] Same thing with sports...it's just a lights-on activity and a projector would not be good for that situation. If on the other hand this is 100% movies, they rock. The ability to renew the light source, go big inexpensively, and have great contrast make DLPs great though. John

If you are definetly going to wall mount it, and definetly are good with 60", the Pioneer Elite Kuro is practically a lock. There is arguably no set out there with better picture quality. Unfortunately Pioneer is getting out of the biz (Panasonic will take over making their displays) so get one while you can. They make 50" and 60" sets. Obviously you don't replace/upgrade often so you want to make sure its the right size and quality. Are you sure you want it wall mounted? I only ask because your center channel, cable box, DVD, etc. sticks out a foot or so anyway and a nice entertainment center may work well. If so, Mitsubishi has a new line of DLPs that get HUGE (can you say 82"?) for relatively little money. I have priced out the WD-82737 on amazon for $4k shipping included. I understand that may be more screen than you want, but they have other sizes and as you can see it's far more cost effective than either LCD or plasma. Whatever set you get, I personally recommend having it professionally calibrated. It isn't free but will certainly make an already good looking set look great. Good luck. John

I hate to be the one who rains on the parade, but this isn't set in stone, as the title implies. "Loud TV commercials may be coming to an end" I hate this problem as much as the next guy, but at this point overseers, regulators, and executives are "coming together"...whatever that means. John

Something to keep in mind when going "overkill": the RF-83s are ported in the rear. What this means is that they breathe in from the back to make all their pretty noises. Ideally, you want them about 3 feet away from the wall, so if you plan on putting them against the wall like your other speakers, don't. Not only will it sound awful while set up like that, it will probably destroy them in the process. Practically any floorstanding speaker you buy can make your ears bleed,especially in a room that small, but is that what you really want? Or do you want quality sound. I love my RF-83/RC-64 combo, but this decision seems less about quality sound and more about "ear bleeding." You make want to make some SERIOUS consideration here...IMHO. Good luck.

Sex panther

Prior to my current setup, I had Synergy F-3s, C-3, and S-2s powered by a H/K AVR 235. It sounded very nice. Then I bought the Parasound and the differenence was ENORMOUS. At that point I was using an amp that had a rating equal to the RMS of the mains. I then bought my RF-83s and, to be quite honest, didn't hear a night and day difference. I have since gotten very used to the sound of my system, upgraded to the 3808ci, ran Audessey, tweaked my sub settings, blah blah blah, and now I like my system more than ever. Still...

This is a case of "missing something". Ultimately though, if i am in fact missing something, than I would also need a "bump in power" lol. Obviously, I don't NEED more volume, or really power for that matter, but I am wondering if there would be a (measurable) difference in sound QUALITY with an additional 125wpc (or any amount for that matter). It may not be the case with a quality 125w that the Parasound is putting out, but since I don't know, I'm asking you guys. Thanks.

So far I have been very happy with the Parasound and I am aware of the speaker's sensitivity. I also know that many Klipsch speakers (the RF-7 to name one) really sings with even more power. I don't know that to be the case with the 83s, but it sure has me wondering. I guess its like all GOOD/GREAT things...people want to know what is better. I'm sure there is some yahoo out there with Wilsons,PF-39s, Revel Salon2 or some other crazy speakers powered by a Halrco, Krell,etc. and is wondering "what can I do to make this sound better?" Lol right now I am one of those guys...minus the super high end gear. []

Youthman, In regards to the Parasound being the better choice; that was my guess too. The Denon uses rear surround outs to "bi-amp". Lol I was really hoping to see a bump in power this way. The RF-83s are rated at 250w rms and the most I have ever fed them is 125w. I would love to see what I am missing. Of course, at that point I would really being driving myself mad feeling the need to upgrade the amp to a Parasound A51 (250w) or something along those lines... Ignorance is bliss? [*-)]

The 3808ci has outputs for biamping, so it wouldn't be just removing the metal bracket if that is what you're thinking. The Denon rep told me I would then have 130w going to the highs and another 130w going to the lows. It seems it would be a big improvement over the 125wpc I am getting with the Parasound, but I just don't know if this is in fact the case. I saw another thread here on something similar to this, but it didnt really involve a seperate amp, which is why I have started this one.

I asked this question in the technical section, but thought I'd try here as well and see if I can get more traction... I currently have a Parasound Halo A52 putting out 125wpc run by a Denon 3808ci powering my RF-83s. I have been using the Parasound instead of the Denon for amplification because I believe it does a better job (although I have never done an A/B test on the two). With the possibility of bi-amping the Denon, I am wondering if I will see any noticeable improvments. Will I lose headroom going this route? Are there any other factors I should be considering? I know alot of people would say to hook it up and try it, but before I go through the huge pain it would be, I'm hoping someone with experience will chime in. Thanks.

etc6849, I'd be interested to get your (and anyone else's opinion) on bi-amping my RF-83s. I currently have a Parasound Halo A52 putting out 125wpc run by a Denon 3808ci. I have been using the Parasound instead of the Denon for amplification because I believe it does a better job (although I have never done an A/B test on the two). With the possibility of bi-amping the Denon, I am wondering if I will see any noticeable improvments. Will I lose headroom going this route? Are there any other factors I should be considering? I know alot of people would say to hook it up and try it, but before I go through the huge pain it would be, I'm hoping someone with experience will chime in. Thanks.

PS I spoke to a klipsch associate on the phone some time ago about this very issue. I had the same concerns I'm sure you are having right now. He (I don't remeber who I spoke to) told me that there wouldn't be a huge deal between the two. Yes, the 62s would obviously be better, but since the rears don't get that much of the soundtrack anyway, it wouldn't be a night and day difference. And that's coming straight from Klipsch. John