ClaudeJ1
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On 11/16/2023 at 7:45 PM, JohnA said:
I think the Medium is not as large as you think. If I remove the 4 VMPS Larger Sub's,
I had those subs behind my MWMs running the LFE channel in 2007. Glad to see Klipsch finally offering HORN LOADED subs to the others out there. Something I did for myself over 13 years ago, so I agree with the positive responses.
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On 11/18/2023 at 1:10 PM, Dave1291 said:
Agree totally @mikebse2a3. The R&D of great things like this take some time. We all should just sit back and wait while things marinate just a bit more. We're blessed to know it's coming down the road. Simple.
I've gotta get started working on a name too.
😂💪
Sez the guy who was on my porch shaking his head in disbelief after experiencing my horn subs several Augusts ago, and controlling the remote volume while in the room! LOL.
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On 4/24/2022 at 10:54 AM, CWelsh said:
Telling my wife we need to declutter would probably go over much better than saying we need to get our priorities straight. 😃
Wife gone. Small Room of 8h x 11.5w x 16.5deep. 1,500 cu. ft. Smaller than the rest. I have SH-50's to compensate for the small room with precise placement of my Head for flattest low frequencies and perfect viewing distance as well as listening. It's a great Marriage according to the Horn Heads that have heard it.
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His famous phrase: "What the world needs is a good 5 Watt amplifier." Was reached in the new millenium when I had my $25 Sonic Impact T-Amps tested at 6W per channel at Klipsch HQ in Indianapolis. The engineer verified this with their gear. I'm sure Paul would have been as impressed as all the Magazine reviewers at 6 moons, where they questioned the value of their $10,000 Tube Amps as a result of this little plastic wonder that will also run on 8 AA batteries. I sold my second pair of Khorns with it hooked up to a Sony CD Walkman in 2007!!
Paul Klipsch wrote that was impressed with 0.1 % distortion and 90 db SINAD with his BGW and 1/2 (mono Center) Crown Solid State State Stereo amplifiers. In 1985, I heard them myself, featuring his Master Tapes on a Revox done with just 2 spaced Omni Microphones.
Speaking for all the modern amplifiers tested on Audio Science Review, the best of which, are coming in at 30 db better than Paul's SS days, (that's 1,000 times better). So now the target has gone from 90 to 120-130 db SINAD on all modern electronics that are 50-400 Watts per channel, making Big Horns and Small Amplifiers a better way to go. On the 400 Watt units, some are even including 4 different Gain settings, of which, about 12 db of gain is all that's needed for horns of 104-112 db Sensitivity!
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22 hours ago, Tom05 said:
I would bet that perfect harmony has been created with your setup , no doubt in my mind . 🤓
Harmony is progressing and elusive. I'm actually going to reduce my 11 channel (plus 2 subs, front and reaar) setup to only 2 channels on the ceiling (4 is marginal there), and have 3 subs instead of just 2. Bass is expensive and hard to get reasonably flat all over small rooms, that's for sure.
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On 5/15/2022 at 9:25 PM, Tom05 said:
The subwoofers work good , Im sure there not quite as good as your setup , but I’ve heard lots of them and it’s pretty darn good , not the abomination that you may think .🤓
I have added, temporarily, a JBL, Bass Reflex, theater sub facing backwards against a back wall. It's about 10 cubic feet external (8 internal) tuned to 25 Hz. I also have a Seismic Horn by Bruce Edgar.
As one of the few people who has owned and/or designed and/or built sealed, Bass Reflex, full horns, long horns, short horns, and Tapped Horns (latest going down to 12 hz.) I can HONESTLY say that they ALL move AIR at various velocities, as called for by the rare program material that cause them to exist in the first place!
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On 5/15/2022 at 8:57 PM, Tom05 said:
Yea , me and the wife , B T W is that you posing with PWK in your avatar?
YES, August 1985, one year before Roy Started there. Jim Hunter was a great guy to meet, as well as Gary Gillum who designed the MWM with Paul.
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11 hours ago, Fido said:
What’s the size of rage smallest one? I’m so curious.
You would need a bigger house or maybe get Karen Drunk first before the investment!
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9 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
Of course. I would rather do class A than Tubes, even thought they are both primarily Space Heaters. Only in the winter, though.
9 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said:Of course. I would rather do class A than Tubes, even thought they are both primarily Space Heaters. Only in the winter, though.
11 hours ago, henry4841 said:What I have found on my tube journey on S/N is 60db down from fundamental signal is sufficient for quite operation on my LaScala's. As you know SS amplifiers are generally going to be much better when tested on the bench. The last SS amplifier I checked was the SE V-Fet amplifier designed by Nelson Pass and it was something like 100db down from the fundamental signal on my distortion analyzer. Significantly better when tested but then 60db is good enough for my old ears. I believe there is always going to be a demand for SET tube amplifiers among a select niche in the audiophile world. What they like about Class A amplifiers, SET tube amplifiers are operated in class A by the way, is the audio signal is not manipulated at all or in other words left pure all through the amplifier not affected by the components making up the amplification part of the amplifier. In class D, and other forms of amplification, the audio signal is broken down and put back together in some way. Hey it works and can sound great but the audio signal is not as pure as in class A where the audio signal is left alone as much as possible. All this means nothing though when it comes to what one hears. If one likes what they hears why worry about what someone else says. It's entertainment.
PURITY is a relative term. Class A and especially SET add DISTORTION, quite euphonic. The issue of dissasembly and re-assembly is not part of the equation when you get Straight Wire With Gain coupled with Load Independence, (Hypex and Purifi).
The SETs are too fussy about load dependence which is IGNORED when talking about Purity by the PURE definition of Straight Wire with gain. It very pleasant distortion with lack of bass. I would never use SETs on a woofer section, but on mid/high, it's heavenly euphonic distortion.
The emotional testing part coupled with personal preference is irrelevant, and the high end testers of today (like Ahmir at Audio Science Review) prove me right (he has later/better gear than John Atkinson of Sterophool, BTW).
All amps are good past a certain point, yet the industry ignores IM Distortion, which is 1,000 times more than amps in loudspeakers. You need the whole picture in audio, not your own personal slice of the thick pizza or Cake corner piece while ignoring the rest.
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23 hours ago, henry4841 said:
But Claude, class A is still class A. I can enjoy one of my TPA3255 builds as well but class A is where my heart lies. The electronic geek in me understands it is the purest form of amplification.
Of course. I would rather do class A than Tubes, even thought they are both primarily Space Heaters. Only in the winter, though. I did both for years. There is not argument for preference here, just the facts.
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8 hours ago, Invidiosulus said:
I use a pair of De’Longhi 1500 watt monoblocks.
They are perfectly silent and impart a nice warmth to the overall listening experience.
They are switchable between 600/900/1500watts.
I’m not sure if that’s some sort of class A or A/B thing or what, but all modes seem to work pretty well.
ridiculous power for horns. Bad choice for S/N.
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3 hours ago, henry4841 said:
But Claude, class A is still class A. I can enjoy one of my TPA3255 builds as well but class A is where my heart lies. The electronic geek in me understands it is the purest form of amplification.
Yep, because the guys that had them cranked them up with too much power. The have High Signal to noise ratio and sound as good as My Hypex on horns. I don't use much power from either one, but the PA-5 was 1/5th the price, so I got 3.
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4 hours ago, Marvel said:
But how does it sound? "Now I use a new Induction Stove instead." 🤣
Totally NEUTRAL, no dirt, nor fairy dust, just like the Hypex slogan says. Same with the PA-5 on horns. Dead Quiet too!
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18 hours ago, Marvel said:
While 2/3 of our 300+ computer are using Linux, we've slowly been migrating our Windows computers to Win 11. They've been very stable. A bit of a learning curve for us, but overall ok.
I have Windows 11 with a passion. What used to take me 2 clicks now takes me 3 or 4. It's a bloated piece of crap and most other stuff detects it's Win 10 with more garbage on top. Changing the interface is even worse, but they have us by the low ones more than ever.
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1 hour ago, Fido said:
Trying to live my life more humble with far less ego. 🤪but those Super Heresey1s following your instructions turned out pretty damned nice. I bought the Forte IVs with my credit card and when the bill came my wife paid for them from some work bonus she got so I saved my heresey sales $$$ for the new horn subs chief bonehead is introducing soon.
how life treating you
Like the Country song said: "It's hard to be humble when your perfect in every way." LOL.
But we do the best we can, aye?
Started going back to Canon Mirrorless from Sony because the DSLr glass works so, I use both since I can fit Canon glass on my Sony's. Trying to Unretire back into Engineering (too hard to earn $$ fromf photography, which is 1/10rh ro 1/3 of what we used to make). The iPhone took the magic out of the craft and there are Trillions of crap images being made too easily. I just taught 3 lighting classes in Chicago for Free and all everyone wanted to do is photograph my 17 models once the LED lights were set up for them (no flash sync. to worry about when teaching). They used their cameras just like an iPhone and didn't want to know anything technical, even though I showed perfect prints of my work from SOOC Jepegs. But that's the new generation we are stuck with.
To get back to the OP, welcome to the world of dynamic realism in sound of Klipsch! It's a great disease to have, and you will never find a cure for it. Nor will you try. LOL.
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On 8/5/2023 at 10:23 PM, Fido said:
I inherited a pair of Forte 1s from my father who passed in 2000. Replaced the crossovers with new Crites crossovers, added titanium tweeter diaphragms and then installed Dave As tweeters. They sounded very good and I loved them as my mains for many years. This last year I bought a new pair of Forte IVs and made my Forte1s my rear surrounds. I have placed the Forte IVs where my Forte 1s used to be and in my room with the rest of my system the IVs sound better in every way than my Forte 1s ever sounded. Sound stage, bass, midrange, mid bass — all better to my ears than the 1s. I don’t understand how people could prefer the Forte 1s over the 4s. Yes the 4s cost more. My dads 1s were $1000 back in 1986. I paid $3200 for the Forte IVs but I think they are worth every penny.
What, no mentions of the beautiful Super Heresy 1's you built and sold off for the Forte IV's? Bow your head now and mumble. LOL.
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3 hours ago, henry4841 said:
Claude did you ever get a chance to compare the TPA3255 to the Hypex? I remember when you built those Hypex boards into an amp and read all your post.
I'm using the PA-5 as my HT Mains on SH-50's as well as on my EdgarHorns Downstairs. I have a Third as a spare. I'm modifying my Hypexes to have 12 db less gain for horn use with an increase in S/N by 12 db, then sending to Audio Science Review for testing (hopefully) when I'm done. That way I will have data vs. the PA-5. But never A/B's them here, even though I have the gear to do it. My ears say excellent based on the numbers and experience, so now I want the "opinion" of Primo $26,000 test gear I don't own. Measurements and objectivity is a big part of it.
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4 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said:
I bought my NC-400 MonoBlocks, without ever hearing them about 7-8 years ago. Easiest Kits I ever built in 1.5 hours. The Hypexes are 24 dbWatts each and for my Danley SH-50's, which have 100 db sensitivity, I can reach 120 db peaks with no issues. Tom Danley tells me they don't thermally compress until about 756 watts per channel, so I'm safe from compression and clipping in my small living room.
The Hypexes replaced a stereo First Watt Aleph J clone, which I had also used to cook my breakfast on. Now I use a new Induction Stove instead.
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33 minutes ago, henry4841 said:
A European company called Hypex makes one of the best judging by what members on this forum have said.
I bought mine without ever hearing and it replaced a First Watt Aleph J clone, which I also used to cook my breakfast on.
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54 minutes ago, MicroMara said:
and here is a rewiev in 6Moons about a product
I bought 3 of these Tripathi (engineer's name) and still have 2 I use for driver and speaker testing. Had one tested a Klipsch HQ in Indianpolis. The Engineer said I had a "very good 6 watt amplifier." I wish PWK had live to see it. It can run on 8 AA batteries and I used it to sell my Khorns in 2007 with a battery Powered CD player. It sounded great, and I was sold on Chip Amps from then on.
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2 hours ago, henry4841 said:
Perhaps Claude you should give a good SET another chance. I think every serious audiophile should have one good SET tube amplifier for a change of sound. As I am sure you know ones opinion can change with time as we age.
Only in Winter, for obvious reasons.
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10 minutes ago, henry4841 said:
I agree that class D is the wave of the future Claude but what still turns me on is a good SET tube amplifier. Class D for me, notice I said me, lacks some soul compared to a SET amplifier. But for many, especially those that like hard rock and loud music, a class D is what is going to turn them on. As always music is subjective.
I had had tubes in my late teen through early 30's, HK Citation, Scott, McInosh 240, and Marantz 8B (approved by PWK himself, as a good amp for my Khorns). I like SET's very much, but you have to have flat crossover impedance to get the best out of them. They are a great match with ALL horns (like my EdgarHorn Titan II's, and preferred by Bruce himself, RIP), especially the SET (also the First Watt class A stuff).
Being "Green" conscious and all, I just don't like having Space Heaters in my audio chain and NO fans, which leaves commercial amps (except my Crown K1 and K2's) out of the running.
They all work to make music, so pick your best flavor of ice cream. We all have different rooms, wallets, and taste buds. It's a personal choice after all. I have tried them all and made my choices, as you all have.
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12 hours ago, Marvel said:
Most of those are being used on Klipsch speakers with a direct radiating woofer.
I was using a Crown D45 (25wpc), powering MWMbass cabinets with 2 15 inch woofers in each and LaScala tops. It worked very well, but I have a Crown 300wpc that I used for a PA event and at the moment am using for my Heresy IIs. To say it is coasting along is not an exaggeration.
Most direct radiator speakers (like a Factory Heresy) are 10-20 db LESS sensitive than an all horn system (like my Edgarhorns at 106-112). And I'm being generous here.
That being the case, when I had Khorns and built a power meter to keep track of power usage about 45 years ago. It was "stupid loud" when I hit 10 Watt peaks on my Khorns.
So the 10-20 db difference in sensitivity translates to Ten to One Hundred times more Peak Power requirement for the worst of direct radiators (the worst being my Carver Amazing Platinum speakers at 84 db/w).
So bottom line, the power requirements for smaller, cheaper speakers, (lower than a Heresy) is 100 to 1,000 Watts per channel to avoid Clipping and destroying Tweeters.
So quit wasting time bla bla bla about something that should be a know FACT concerning Klipsch speakers and Amazingly good Chip Amps and Discrete Class D (like Hypex, ICE, etc) taking over the world from tubes.
I have owned them all and still do in over 50 years doing this in the world of EE's and Audiophiles.
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3 hours ago, 82 Cornwalls said:
Can you elaborate on this because I see a number of members posting about their megawatt amplifiers and how much better their Klipsch speakers sound with them.
I spent a day in PWK's house. He never recommended more than 20 Watts for a Klipschorn and LaScala. He used a Crown D60 because of its LOW IM Distortion, not for the watts, which were usually 1/4 Watt per channel.
Those that say more power sounds better don't know what they are talking about with their opinions from Emotional Testing with NO DATA.
You want high Signal to Noise Ratio with horns and the PA-5 exceeds -120 db at 5W. Look up the Audio Science Review.
The only people that had reliability issues with the amps pushed them too hard in inefficient speakers. I have 3 of them on my All Horn Systems and they are incredible. Best Bang for Buck
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2023 Subfest (A Bonehead Class) Reports, Photos, Etc.
in Klipsch Museum: News & Announcements
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You are too funny. Love the attitude, Chief. Great comments.
DIY Amateurs like me are much faster than people who have to do it for a living at adopting old or new designs and concepts, like having horn loaded bass below 40-100 Hz.cutoffs of Main speakers, stretching down to 16-70 Hz. range.
Creating and selling the concept of low distortion sub bass can only be done in a Demonstration. A picture may be worth a thousand words (I've done millions of pictures too), but nothing beats Live, 3D, and in Color Audio Demos to willing ears. People literally have to FEEL it.
Lots of bassheads out there, but most would never do it with a horn like you have done for quite a while. They have mostly done bass reflex only, ant NOT horns with it.
How small you have managed to make these is quite a feat of engineering. Glad to see you are showing off the "kids."
I wasn't trying to make any claims at doing it sooner than Klipsch (and you know that), I was speaking of my early adoption of horn sub bass below my all horn systems and having discovered it's benefits vs. the bass reflex units I had behind my MWMs in 2007 after I was influenced by you like the others here to sell off my 30 year old Khorns and get with the PRO stuff instead. The idea of upgrading to horn subs for JohnA just got a thumbs up from me, which was my intent, without have to make another trip to Hope (efficiency of travel budget?), since I had the same vmps subs as my very first pair to experience HT in it's relative infancy.
Rock on my brutha from a different mutha (in my best Detroit vernacular).