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Fwiw, having our RC-7 on top also puts the tweeters inline with the RF-7s up front. {Note: It was designed in the day when folks put their centers on top of an RPTV, so it has risers in the back.}
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4 hours ago, JefDC said:
And the sound integrates well with picture or do you notice that it comes from 'above' ?
Actually, no. Head's are usually near the top of the screen and angling down works well.
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Our center is above the TV and angled down towards the MLP.
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18 minutes ago, Marvel said:
80db is pretty normal for me...
Me too. I'm mainly a multichannel guy and use a sub to get peaks in the 102 to 106 dB range for really slamming bass on a few songs.
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2 hours ago, stormin said:
SO, with about 500 Watts to each speaker, you can have 6db of head room and about 120db at your seat.
IF you want 3db less than that, cut the power in half.
Ummm...Isn't 120 dB at your seat pretty outrageous and deafening? I can see the LF hitting hard and low with a sub, but a speaker doing that seems kinda OT, imo. By his math it seems more realistic levels could be attained with a solid 100 watt amp for most folks. That's my take.
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On 8/4/2023 at 4:50 AM, picky said:
My flagship, Pioneer Elite VSX-49TXi receiver is still kicking after having to replace the DSP card about 8 years ago, but it does not have any HDMI interface! Therefore, a lot of stuff is accomplished effectively using the 7.1 discreet inputs and outputs on the Panasonic 4K Blu-Ray player and the 5.1 (SPDIF) optical outputs from the video screen. Somehow it all works and is still impressive (to me).
Yep. That's another thing. We had a similar thing happen with our Denon AVR-4806 and decided to replace it with the AVR-4311CI about 10 years ago and definitely don't want to replace it, although those Atmos units look cool, but pricey...If both it and the subs go out at the same time, I'm more than likely changing hobbies. 😐
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On 8/4/2023 at 4:50 AM, picky said:
The new, RP-1600SW. The 110-pound sub...
Hey Picky, welcome back! I didn't realize Klipsch had a new sub that could compete with the RSW 15. 🤔 That's good news and I have often/worried what I was going to do when either of my RSW subs bite the dust...It won't be good cuz we sure do like having that lower end covered, espessialy for multichannel music and concerts.
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20 minutes ago, Svedkadrpepper said:
I was watching at reference volume though and I've heard that the RF 73 have a very low impedance dip at certain frequencies and volumes. Could this be the issue? The receiver is a Yamaha a 2080.
It could be. Check your service manual where it tells you how to connect your speakers and see if it says if you can connect 4ohm speakers ( on Denon models it's where that info is).
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1 hour ago, RealMarkDeneen said:
Hmmmm? Not convinced here.
Wait! Not sure if this was directed at me but my comment above was only about differences between SS amps compared to Tubes. I totally think speakers are the most important and one should work backwards from there.
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21 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:
Most SS amps just leave me cold when it comes to emotional involvement.
Sure. I understand Tube aficionado don't usually like SS amps.
26 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said:I still think SS amps too have noticeable differences in sound.
Well...Given how much this has been debated, all I can say is if they provide enough current to drive the speakers efficiently at the volume you want, its going to be the processor that will make the most difference. YMMV. 😊
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29 minutes ago, OO1 said:2 hours ago, henry4841 said:
a speaker with 100db sensitivity only needs a watt or two to damage ones hearing.
no , it does not
I have no idea what the Frequency Response Curve is of the Epic CF-3, but with RF-7s the problem is providing enough current to handle a jagged curve on a couple of frequencies that dip below 4 Ohms.
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I didn't see the question but if you have a 100 watt amp and it's not distorting at the volume you want then adding another 100 watts isn't going to do anything. The speaker is only going to use the power it needs and adding more wouldn't be used. That's my take.
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I also would move the speakers at least 8" or so from the front wall. And as much as you don't want to hear this, a little carpet in front of the speakers will help on brightness issues. I agree with wuzzzer on experimenting with the sub but corner placement should give you more bang for your buck. {Note: I just saw you are in Germany. I love visiting there and lived in Bad Godesberg, outside of Bonn for 4 years. 😊}
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51 minutes ago, wuzzzer said:
You should toe the RF-7s in toward you. That will help reduce sound reflecting from the side walls.
Definitely do this and if you bought them used make sure the jumpers between terminals are connected and run one set of wires to each speaker.
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On 7/21/2023 at 11:08 AM, alkemyst said:
Do you know what they were talking about then? Especially when they didn't mention these issues with the Cinema 600. Having both left and right channels playing when it should be left or right only would be bad.
Mine comes today.
Well, I'm curious if there was an issue?
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4 hours ago, Shakeydeal said:
Just to make sure I understand. You are saying that if the tube amp has enough power, there is little effect on the sound?
No. I screwed up and confused "former" with latter as I was typing. I apologize and hope the follow-up post explained what I actually was trying to say....Multi-tasking while at work is to blame. 😮
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43 minutes ago, Scott Grammer said:4 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:
When I saw the original question I thought differentiating between SS & Tubes would be important for the 2-channel aficionado. I understand the former could affect the sound, but the latter would be at the bottom of the list as long as it had enough power to drive the speakers efficiently at the level you wanted.
It has been my recent experience that the interaction between
Color me embarrassed! I meant the opposite of what I wrote. Tubes (latter) can color the sound and equivalent SS amps (former) should sound the same. My bad and I will go back and correct it. 😑 {Note: My follow up post better explained the point without the error. 😁}
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1 hour ago, Shakeydeal said:
Just to make sure I understand. You are saying that if the tube amp has enough power, there is little effect on the sound?
First off, I've never owned a tube amp but have always heard/read they can color the sound(i.e. make it warmer, for the most part) but have enough current to drive speakers to cover impedance dips. If you have a smaller room or don't listen incredibly loud it only takes a few watts.
Otoh, most SS amps sound essentially the same to each other as long as you have enough current to address possible wide swings in speaker impedance, espessialy when it goes under 4 Ohms at loud volume or in a large room...
If you start hearing distortion then the chances are in either situation you don't have enough current to drive the speakers at that volume. That is my understanding.
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5 hours ago, Shakeydeal said:
I disagree with this. I have had some amps come through here that if they were the only thing available, I would have walked away from horns completely. And these were tube amps, so no finger pointing at SS. And I have had other amps that bring out the absolute best in any speaker. So even though I've never believed that amp = amp, it's even more crucial with high sensitivity horn designs to get this part right.
When I saw the original question I thought differentiating between SS & Tubes would be important for the 2-channel aficionado. I understand the latter could affect the sound, but the former would be at the bottom of the list as long as it had enough power to drive the speakers efficiently at the level you wanted.
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8 hours ago, RealMarkDeneen said:
Absolutely if that can be done. I'm usually not wanting to have a living room look like a sound studio, and I never had the resources to buy a house big enough to have a room just dedicated to audio system.
Neither have I. Otoh, we converted our den to a library, and then into a Home Theater, which has bookcases and shelves pretty much all over it and found they work great as "room treatment--Win/Win and the wife likes it as well to get that bonus Win. 😁
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32 minutes ago, RealMarkDeneen said:
Room - What are you going to do, buy a new house?
What do you think about room treatment in a dedicated HT or music room?
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11 minutes ago, Dave1291 said:
Yup, about what I've been doing lately. Funny how all the fast food places are trying to shit to plant-based garbage. Ppl will buy it though and think it's great! lol
Fwiw, I still eat meat and dairy products but a vegetarian friend whom I respect clued me into the suffering of animals in the food chain and it gave me a different view of what and how we consume nutrients
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FYI - My Departure from PAC
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Wow, Chad! The guy behind the scenes that kept the forum running while having the few intriguing comments in the BS Forum that kept us all guessing is leaving...😮Thanks for getting me back on the Forum over the years and happy travels on the next adventure. {Note: If you could send the secret code to get me back in the old place to retrieve some things It would be appreciated. 😎}