Manuel Delaflor

I just found an incredible product (if it really delivers what they say), it is "a subwoofer for audiophiles", they claim it is the most musical one and also uses a new technology which alow them to reach 25Hz from a 5.25 driver... Anyone cares to look and give opinions? http://www.subwoofersolutions.com/bassspeakers/products_tov.html (their site is on reconstruction, but the above link is working) I just found more info here: http://www.subwoofersolutions.com/bassspeakers/ALPHADHE.doc

I started with the original message a new topic This message has been edited by Manuel on 01-17-2002 at 09:48 PM

I totally agree. You will hear "the Heritage sound". For me, this speakers even have a better sound than the new Klipsch line just because one thing: the mid horn. Couple them with a subwoofer and you will be next to heaven.

I second that, consider yourself lucky.. must of us are doomed, condemned to upgrades and upgrades for the upgrades, and so on...

Colin Very good information indeed!

so... after all this time... has anybody actually performed objective sound tests comparing a Samson to a Bryston?? It would be REALLY interesting, at least for me!

Peaks at around 100dB-105dB, normally the material will peak at around 95dB. It depends on the music, of course, but I found unpleasant to have 110dB or more for more than a few seconds. I hear mostly classical music, and what I want is to resemble the real volume at which an orchestra can play at my listening position (I always sit around the 12 line of seats on a big concert hall). I have several test, with all kind of classics, and I have learned that playing at full levels the orchestra rarely pass 105dB for just a few seconds, most of the time I see the orchestra playing between 70dB and 80dB with peaks at around 95dB. This message has been edited by Manuel on 01-08-2002 at 10:38 AM

"Speed is very important to climb up in freq.,why do you think large drivers simply cant climb up in freq.? Because they are too slow.As simple as that." Ok, I see, but as I want my sub to handle only below 40Hz perhaps I can do better with a 15 instead of 12 "I wonder if some tried to horn load electrostatic drivers(units)?Well done this should give outstanding results.Not practical? Who knows" hehe good question, I pressume it would need an INMENSE cabinet, perhaps even a little room behind our listening position in order to work! The Monsoons are real bargains in the PC speaker world,they give a slice of the real thing(electrostatic)performance at a very low price poit. Agreed. Still, I found them amazing for some music and not really good for other. I mean, there are times when the airy sensation is welcomed, and others when that sensation tends to sound "fuzzy"... so, perhaps, one need both type of speakers and simply change between them in order to have the best of two worlds... "When all conditions are met electrostatics have no match in transparency and freedom from coloration. Magical" It appear to be the case, what I really need at this point is to take my favourite CDs and spend sometime carefully hearing those electrostats... to bad our hearing memory is not that good! "Since I live in the real world and I dont have space I own Klipsch,Dynaudio and Spendor." Yes, a lot of space is needed because the back surface also irradiates sound. Hmmm... who knows... perhaps in a future this will become a good goal... once you entered the "audiophile area" there is no way out!!

quote: Originally posted by TheEAR: This is why I think TV from SVS and Dr HSU from HSU use 12" drivers.These have good speed and still can move plenty of air. Sounds logical. Do you think that the speed of the driver is the most important factor when your goal is not only to reach deep bass but also good musicality? I think I will make a couple of Mass with a good amp. That should suffice for both aplications and also make my wallet happy. True, It would need a lot of work, but hey... I have plenty of time! ;-) Ah, and another question for you... what do you think about Martin Logan? I have the micro-version of their technology on my Monsoons. They sound pretty well and can draw a good space between them and around them. Does this tech do the same at the scale of bigger speakers? I mean, Im not completely sure that the airy sensation is good or no for pure musical enjoyment. Currently I enjoy a lot my set of Klipsch Heresy's, and in fact Im planning to ad more and make my system a HT also...

quote: Originally posted by TheEAR: DIY subs if the design is good and IF you buy high quality bass drivers will outperform I would say all of the comercial subs by a wide margin(SVS and HSU are very close to DIY,maximum bass for your dollar). Yes, that's what I think. Still, as a newbie on all this matters, it woudn't hurt to read a size to size comparo... Anyway, I have read extensibly that using, for example, a Tempest($150), Blueprint 1803($249), or even a Mass 2012($330) with a good amp one can outperform almost every comercial sub. Now, I also wonder about the musicality of the sub, not only the slam. In this case, I have fears that I can do a really powerful sub that goes down to 18Hz (or so) and it's wonderful for HT BUT not for music! As Im a newbie I don't know if all those parameters to select the size of the cabinet, the tuning of the port and alikes can do something for the musicality of a sub? perhaps using a parametric equalizer to have a flat response will help? What about the speed of the drivers? Im confused!

I wonder... has anybody actually reviewed a DIY sonosub against the commercial ones like SVS and HSU? It would be really interesting... Specially if frequency response and SPL tests are performed. I know, every DIY proyect is a little different, so the results will be impossible to translate to actual performance of every sonosub... still, it would be really interesting!

Interesting discussion. In audio subjectivity plays an important role. Some will be arguing forever about the advantages or disadvantages of their preferred and most hated systems, but no one will have "the truth". There is no way to reproduce the sound of a live music session accurately. We simply don't have the technology. Think in this as an example, there are several manufacturers of really high end equipment (extremely expensive, by the way), all claiming to being able to reproduce accurately the sound... Yet, every brand SOUNDS DIFFERENT... Just to not let this only as a critical post, what I think is needed to reproduce sound more accurately than we can now is standarized studios and rooms for listening, same equipment on recording and reproducing, a dedicated speaker for every kind of instrument, and lot of other factors. Well, at least, that's what I think. This message has been edited by Manuel on 12-26-2001 at 12:29 PM

quote: Originally posted by TheEAR: Money leads the world we live in,money is still king and God to some. To some extent only... some of the richiest persons I know have horrible lifes. Peace of mind, good health, a good partner, pleasurable job and a loving family... are FAR more important than any amount of money.

Are you sure the settings in the Sony are ok? I mean, some receivers can modify the gain and so on... Of course, you will be much better with a real amp

Think in Bryston also

I agree, adding a sub is the best you can do for your Heresy. I run mine with a KSW12 and it sounds really good. Im thinking in SVS for the future.

quote: Originally posted by deang: Having never heard a Heritage speaker on any tube gear at all - I should recant. You have to hear them. The Heritage line can produce some of the most beautiful sounds any speaker can. True, not for everyone and not with all kind of music, but hearing classical music, specially those horn instruments (they are just ALIVE), is a pleasure beyond words...

Maxg In wich way will you say that the RF7's reminded you the Heresy's?

I think you will just LOVE your Heresy's as much as all us the happy owners around. In fact Im thinking in buying another two sets in order to have a nice HT here.

This discussion has turned in to something really interesting. I don't believe that an amplifier can be a strong factor regarding imaging and soundstage, also, I think that speakers of different brands with the same type of drivers should sound almost equal regarding those matters. Location of the speakers, room acoustics and the recording are the relevant factors. I agree with those who say that wall reflections are all the "trick" about the depth of the soundstage and also I think imaging is a much more a subjective matter. Now, is there a way to define such terms in a scientific way like we do with frequency response?

drum sound...

quote: Originally posted by TheEAR: That is my point since the start,this is why I dont recomend using reciever amps if budget permits. TheEAR(s) Now theears I know very well the power of Bryston, still, they are expensive. Which would be your choice for a good amp (big power is not an issue, a good 30watts will make my Heresy sound great) at bargain prices? Also, I asked you in another thread, considering my Heresy's which sub would you say will match them best? I currently run them with a ksw12, sounds good, but I want to have deeper bass... In yet another thread you say that the SVS ultras are a real bargain, but I think they offer more than I need?? or if I buy a couple of those and a bigger amp for my Heresy's I will be fine?

Myram, where do you live? if you are close to Connecticut it would be fine. Also, I want to see if you can consider selling it for 250. Thanks

quote: Originally posted by edster00: check 'em out... Indeed looks good, but its not for sale anymore... I would have to buy a used one. This message has been edited by Manuel on 10-03-2001 at 07:38 PM

you will need a 5.1 amplfier to go this way.