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Under Warranty?? Roger

Yes, but will the quad stacker chase away those dreadful munchies???? Roger

Hey Oldtimer, Thanks!! My brother in Laws favorite is DP. Twisted or Roger, either is fine. I belong to several motorcycle forums as well as the Ford FE Engine Forum. TwistedCrankCammer stands for the FORD 427 SOHC Hemi engine, as I own one. To understand the rest, you would have to be a gear head as the cammer came with a forged steel crank, and factory forged steel cranks of the day were twisted between rod throws in their manufacturing process. On a cast crank, the casting line is in a straight line the length of the crankshaft. I use twistedcrank cammer on all of my forums that I belong to, as well as my ebay account name, plus you tube etc., it just makes it easier. Roger

Hi Wayne--- Good to see ya hanging around some! Hope you're doing well. Yes, that's a nice amp, and no question would sound far more musical than any of the SS receivers being suggested, but I sense it's "too early in the journey" for this fellow to get wrapped around tubes. I've seen it (premature tubophilia) happen here a few times. I think he's first got to get past the "I need 2,000 watts and 6 subwoofers phase" and then if still interested in the music, a fine instrument like that Fisher might be appreciated. LMAO Thank goodness it only took me 2 subwoofers and a 5 x 125 watt power amp to figure it out. Hey mdeneen, I guess I am sicker than most, because my two subs are 1250 watt RMS each and 3000 peak watt capable each, so I must have broke through the 2000 watt ceiling somehow, but I digress. Did not Paul Wilbur Klipsch himself say something about audiophiles?? Maybe you could then explain to me why PWK himself went to SS amps in his own settup, when quite obviously he could own any gear he wanted. I would also reference you to Bob Crites wanting to ask PWK why so many tout the tube when Paul went SS himself. I would then ask is not your statement made in such a way as that non tube aficionodos must be lacking in some knowledge, and that you must hold some secret they did not possess?? So you must know more about it than Paul or Bob huh?? Roger

Boy o boy did this thread degrade fast..........and I'm plenty guilty of joking around but does every thread need to degrade to who's a good husband???? guy's just whip it out already and see who's is bigger Fenderbender, Girth, or Length??? Roger

I can only take your word regarding the Nakamichi receiver, as I have not heard it. I do own a GFA-5802 which I use to power my Infinity RS 9 Kappas (in fact I also own a 555, a 555II, and two 545IIs), and would recommend that you make sure the amp has 30-45 minutes to warm up before doing any serious listening. The 5802 was the first component I owned which really convinced me that some equipment does in fact improve when warm. When warm the 5802 is definitely smoother and more refined that the 555II, which itself is smoother that the original 555. The 555 has better bass "slam", but is other wise the least refined of these three. NOTE: Above comparisons were made while powering my 9 Kappas. The only amp I have had connected to the Forte IIs is the GFA-555II, which I have been very happy with. The comparison to the Nakamichi PA-7 should be an interesting one. The PA-7 is another component that I would be proud to own. Do you have the original or the mk.II? Rob, PA-7s with the GFA-565 on my center LeScala, to bad the PA-5 is a non bridgable design. Roger

oldtimer, I miss Frostie Rootbeer, and cane sugar coke, but have not seen cane sugar DP. If I am looking for it, is there a way to distinguish from the corn stuff???, as I would like to check it out. Roger MR. Frostie Rootbeer! We had the family Christmas party at our house and ran out of room in the fridge. Wel, mother nature provided us with the biggest fridge of all.......we left it out back in the snow. Mighty Favog, What year was your family Christmas gettogether?? My grandmother always kept 16 oz bottles of Frosty Rootbeer and Oarnge Crush on hand to make us kids boston coolers, and home made rice pudding!! Roger

I am going to ramble hear a little bit. My only early experience with tube gear was my dads heath kit system and my gradfathers, although I don't know what brand his was, it was an all in one black and white TV, with tunner, turntable, and stereo speakers arround 72 inches wide and solid black walnut with walnut sliding slotted doors in front that slid in front of the TV screen to show the speaker grill cloth when not viewing television. I have never heard a 2 way speaker system that inpressed me until recently. My wifes brother has Altec Lansing Studio Monitor Model 19s as well as Corner Horns, I also know a guy who has Altec Lansing VOTs. I have never been impressed with the way those speakers sound. A couple of years ago, when I picked up a used RC-7 at the sellers house, the guy had a completely restored pair of VOTs that he was powering with tubes, and I can honestly say, they were completely transformed into something completely different, and extremely easy to listen too, however, I would not considder them extremely accurate. It was my afore mentioned biass of 2 way speakers that led me to be concerned in regaurds to the new Jubilee. It was also, my experience with those restored VOTs and tubes, and a very pleasant call I received from Kevin Harmons last night that very much has my intrest peaked as to if the K-260 horn and 2 into one tweeter is the way to go, or finishing an all TSCM surround theater with the 402 horn might be the way to go. I need to send Kavin Harmon some TSCM pictures I have, but I am a computer idiot, and cant figgure how to scan pictures in, then transfer to "my pictures", to email attach them to amail to Kevin. Kevin, I hope you read this as I am not leaving you hang, just my ineptness on the computer. Roger

theclipper, My SX-3800 was a tank, and I had a good quality set of cans (headphones). I owned a Micro Seiki DD-35 and it sounded good to me, but I was listening through Radio Shack Mach 1 Speakers at the time. I could not yet afford LaScalas, so I bought good headphones for quality listening. I bought all my gear new back then. Mach 1 Speaker sound cannot be compared to Forte's, just not in the same ballpark!! The specks on the Pioneer were impressive, but as previously stated, I don't think specks paint an accurate picture. I sold my Pioneer and Mach 1s to a friend, when I stepped up to the Nakamichi, so I can't truely say how it would perform on a truely good speaker. I would assume similar to adcom seperates in performance, but can only base that on newer Pioneer recievers that I have heard on Klipsch. Many here like the newer Pioneer Elite on Klipsch. Roger

Sorry, my fault. Can you check the system on another computer to see if the problem is in your subs amp or your sound card?? Roger

Oh how I fondly remember my days as a poor tech school student in Phx Az from 88 till 90 . Food , alcohol and housing was relatively cheap compared to here in SC . All those beers I listed were in the $2.99 to $3.99 a twelve pack range . All equally good/palatable if ice cold . I have an uncle who is a long term heavy drinker. He always said; "buy the first two drinks of top shelf, after that, any rot gut will do" Roger

oldtimer, I miss Frostie Rootbeer, and cane sugar coke, but have not seen cane sugar DP. If I am looking for it, is there a way to distinguish from the corn stuff???, as I would like to check it out. Roger

bigdaddy, My first real quality piece of gear was a brand new SX-3800 that I paid for with my first job in highschool.......washing down a slaughterhouse in the evenings, started when I was 15. Roger

Rob, While it is true that Adcom makes good gear for the buck, I have owned alot of adcom personally as well as presently, and that Nakamichi Receiver is cleaner than any adcom I have heard or owned including GFA-565 mono blocks. I presently own and run my center channel with a GFA-565 mano block, and I have a GFA-7000 in the living room waiting to be shipped to a buyer as it came down on Ebay on Sunday. I plan on picking up a GFA-5802 to listen to against my Nakamichi PA-7, as the Adcom GFA-5802 was also a Nelson Pass design, and therefore I believe it worth checking out first hand, but the Adcom seperates listed, including others not, are not sonically as good as that receiver. I would not have kept that Nakamichi TA-4A as long as I did, if it were not so, nor made sure that I took a finacial loss in selling it, to make sure it went to a family member who would use it. I have seen alot of personal gear come and go, while that Nakamichi stayed. Roger

Wayne, You are correct in your assumption that I was not considdering tube gear for an absolutely new person. I personally think that is a headache to open on a new person for a learning curve, and for one who personally stated his lack of soldering skills, let alone diagnostic skills and limited budget, freedom from problems. I was also comparing units that were specifically available at the same exact time frame that his speakers were manufactured. I personally think a description I heard here best defines tubes coloration in that it sounds like something we wish it was, but that in esssence is not reality, or true I might add, to the orriginal source material. Roger

On a recent similar thread, OB stated that if the Forte's were such a great speaker, why weren't they still being built?? My answer to that would be that for myself, at that time when the Forte' , Chorus, then later the Quartet, Forte' II, and Chorus II were introduced, those of us that had already been into Klipsh prior to their introduction saw them as cheap looking KLipsch wannabe speakers and wouldn't give them a fair audio audition. I was 25 years old and could not afford Cornerhorns then, I wanted LaScalas, I was used to my idea of a Klipsch speaker being fully horn loaded and made from great plywood, not crappy sawdust board, and certainly not with a rear firing fake woofer!! The Dealer in my town carried Cornerhorns and Herisies ac well as the Quartet, Forte", and Chorus in stock. They were not interested in ordering me in a set of LaScalas, and were out of Heresies at the time I bought my speakers. That is how I ended up with the Quartets at the very first, figguring I would get LaScalas or cornerhorns eventually. After owning them, I was able to listen to my gear at my friends house with LaScalas, and Heresies, and later LaScalas and Cornerhorns, then finally my own cornerhorns and LaScalas that I came to appreciate the Quartets and Forte's for what they truely sonically offered. I believe my own initial impressions of those models when they first came out probably echoed that of most Klipsch fans at that precise time, and was probably the reason for their demise. Roger

Islander, There is absolutely a compromise in the amplifier section of a multi channel surround sound receiver vs a stereo receiver, just as there is compromise in a receiver vs seperates, just as there is compromise in a seven channel amp vs mono blocks for each channel and to say otherwise is misleading. They absolutely do not build a stereo receiver like they did back then. Granted that a 19 year old receiver may have issues, but it may not. It can definately have issues on there way, but if it is up to snuff, you cannot compare the two, but have you heard both?? No?? The Nakamichi TA-4A has a very thorough remote, the one in that particular auction was missing said remote. Further, his interests are very frugal, and he listens mainly to vynl, again a compromise with newer units. Roger I can't speak for all brands, just the Yamaha receivers that I have owned, from a 1975 CR-600, to a 1978 CR-1020, to a 1998 RX-V392, to a 2005 RX-V750. In each case, the newer one sounded better, with vinyl or tuner with the earlier two, to vinyl, tuner, CD or DVD with the newer two. Monoblocks may have a theoretical advantage over stereo amps, but we're talking sub-$500 units here. No monoblocks in that price range. Why would a 5- or 7-channel amp necessarily be compromised relative to a 2-channel amp? One advantage the multi-channel amp has is that its power supply is large enough to supply all those channels, so when it's running in stereo, there's a lot of headroom available, so that a receiver rated at 100W x 7 will actually put out 130 watts when driving only 2 channels. I got those figures from a test by AudioEnz, a New Zealand audio magazine, and it makes perfect sense to me. Islander, I can't speak to the specific pieces you have listened to, or the condition they sonically may have been in when you listened to them. I can address the size and quallity of the power transformer and size and quallity of the caps used in those older units. There is a reason that 19 year old unit only needed serviced once. There is a reason that old Nakamichi at half the physical dementions weighs more than 90-95% of the surround receivers out there now. Do you honestly think that most of these mid priced to cheap surround receivers that are being built now are going to be playing in 20 years with their present build quality?? I can address that at the exact time when the Forte's and Quartets were new, that I listened to many options on them with some of the top equipement from several great brands and can confidently say that trying to explain the differance of the high end Nakamichi gear of that period to someone who has not heard it new, is just like talking to someone with Bose 901s that are the greatest speaker they have ever listened to. Their experience has not encountered the Forte' yet, and they believe because of the marketing techniques and word of mass consumer, that they have the best. The 999 Yamaha was not only Yamahas flagship at the time, and not only was I able to compare my brand new Nakamichi with a brand new 999, but also NAD seperates that were brand new and only cost half as much at the time. Further, I don't know now, but the 999 was considdered Yamahas pinnacle for many years after it ceased production, and was what all other top shelf Yamahas were measured against in the magazines for a long time. Any of us with much experience should well know that stated specs don't tell the whole story either. Paul Wilbur Klipsch long touted the use of a more efficient speaker, that by driving it less hard, it would inherintly have less distortion, yet while my cornerhorns are more efficient, few who have owned both would say that the cornerhorn is more articulate and quite as capable of bringing out the very subtlest of details the Forte' can if mated with the propper gear and all in perfect working order. That old Nakamichi TA-4A may be in good shape, it may be out of speck. The same could be said of his Forte's, the crossovers may be out of speck, and they still could be better than anything else he has ever heard. I know this much, I know what that Nakamichi is capable of delivering, and yes, it is that dramatic, and it was geared for a high end vynl listener. Roger

Islander, There is absolutely a compromise in the amplifier section of a multi channel surround sound receiver vs a stereo receiver, just as there is compromise in a receiver vs seperates, just as there is compromise in a seven channel amp vs mono blocks for each channel and to say otherwise is misleading. They absolutely do not build a stereo receiver like they did back then. Granted that a 19 year old receiver may have issues, but it may not. It can definately have issues on there way, but if it is up to snuff, you cannot compare the two, but have you heard both?? No?? The Nakamichi TA-4A has a very thorough remote, the one in that particular auction was missing said remote. Further, his interests are very frugal, and he listens mainly to vynl, again a compromise with newer units. Roger

$375 without the remote, I said they go arround $400, you should proxy bid high at the very end, I bid with less than 3 seconds left so nobody can react to my bid, but you have to have enough band width to do it with less than 3 seconds left. The band width pays for itself if you ebay much. Roger

What kind of system are you talking about???? Roger

Stock up during Jewishholiday of passover where they cannot eat corn, so the softdrink companys use pure cane sugar denoted by the green cap on the 2 liter sodas. Jay, Thanks for the info, but what are the dates of passover?? Do they bottle in other than 2 liter as I hate 2 liter. Roger

theclipper, All I can do here is start arguments with other that only have experience with the models they are familiar with. In my opinion, Marantz sounds good, but it colors the sound to something that alot like, just like tube amps do, they soften the sound but that is not correct to me. I have a friend who had LaScalas and Herisies at the same time I got my Nkamichi, and he had the very top flagship Yamaha stereo receiver at the same time as well, I believe it was called a 999 and all the LEDs were RED. I can tell you that was a very fine piece, but the Nakamichi was better, cleaner and has a much better vynl section. Yes, it sounds cleaner to me than Harmon Kardon. If you will look at that Nakamichi TA-4A it has a tone control on/off button. I always listened to it with the bass and trebble controls off. If your source is clean enough, you should not have to color the sound, that is my belief anyways. You are not the only one here that is not familiar with Nakamichi, as the stuff was dream gear for most, and many, even in the day would not have seen it outside a magazine such as Stereo Review. Roger

The clipper, I bought that unit new in 1989, I sold it in perfect condition with a pair of perfect oiled oak Quartet speakers, a Nakamichi CD player, and a Cassette player to my sister at a "Family Only" price of $400 for everything in 2002 and she bitched at me because she had to have it serviced for a slight hum that was not there when she got it from me. That is the only time that unit ever had to be serviced since 1989 and it had still been hum free. I don't think her husband has ever had to service his. In my opinion, you will not get better sound from your Forte's without spending alot more than what we are talking about here than with the Nakamichi period. my home email is rgordon@watchtv.net feel free to email me, and I will notify you if I come across any more Nakamichi TA-4A receivers. There are still centers that specifically specialize in working on the old Nakamichi stuff. Roger

You state you are new to this, but I assume since you could tell a difference in the way the Forte's sound from other speakers you have listened to in the past that you are not tone deaf. The margin between a Kenwood and Nakamichi is not a subyle thing with good speakers like your Forte's assuming all you drivers and croosovers are up to snuff, the differance should be obvious to you. The Forte' in my opinion is more articulate in its sound than my Cornerhorns, the Cornerhorns have presence, but your speakers can bring out things you wont hear on other speakers if you have them up to spec. Carver amps of that era were the wattage kings, read LOUD. The Nakamichis are as clean as anything I have ever heard, and that amp section in that receiver is cleaner than NAD seperates. Just make sure you have your Forte's in the long wall corners and adjust out from the corner for propper bass. After you have a good amplifier, then start saving to have you cross overs checked out, the caps can go bad, and Bob Crites on this forum can help with that. Roger

the clipper, Every 3 or 4 weeks I would say, but that one looks real nice, and the seller has super feedback. I will try to put some brands of the era together to give you an idea of price groupings although I think the pioneer of the day outperformed their monetary bracket: Bracket 1) Fisher, Emerson, Radio Shack Bracket 2) JVC, Technics, Pioneer, Kenwood Bracket 3) NAD, Dennon, Harman Kardon (We are starting to get into the seperates at lower price levels here) Bracket 4) Nakamichi, Bang & Olfsen, etc. These were the price prohibitive stuff of the day. The TA-4A was the top of the hill in Stereo receiver, when surround sound was just hitting the market. That reciever has two sets of pre-amp outputs so you can run a second amp, or a pair. I ran the Nakamichi PA-7 at 200 watts per channel. That amp still brings $900 to $1000 in excellent shape. That receiver can be used as a pre-anp, but the receiver amplifier is excellent. If you read about the STASIS techknowlogy was a liscensed design copy from Nelson Pass. Please google Nelson Pass Labs as he makes ultra high end amps and $50,000 a pair speakers, so check out his stuff real quick and get back to me with any questions, concerns. Roger