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quote: Originally posted by montigue: But the tractix horn loaded tweeter is the same horn that Klipsch made in the KG series. Only the KG4.2, KG4.5, KG5.2 and KG5.5 use the K-85-K horn. The KLF-C7 uses the K-90-KV horn. They are not the same horn. In addition, T-man is correct that the KG3.2 use a smaller horn (the K-84-K). I myself have a pair of KG5.5s for main fronts. I was using a KV-3 for the center, but I wanted an even better match. So I bought a lone KG4.2 on eBay to use for a center. Now my front three speakers are EXACTLY timbre matchted!

quote: Originally posted by montigue: C-7 timbre matches the horns on the KG series perfectly. No, not really. The C7 was made to timbre match the KLF series and not the KG series. The KG and KLF seris are similar, but still different enough! This is further supported by this thread: http://216.37.9.58/cgi-bin/ubb/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum1&topic=001797

quote: Originally posted by mike stehr: How could a guy notice a ringing overshoot in plastic horn mid/tweeters? What would this be noticed as? Anyone? Anyone?

A) Probably not. The difference you are hearing is likely much more than different crossover points. The KG5.5s use the K-85-K horn. The same horn is also used on the KG4.5, KG5.2, and KG4.2 (just in case you're trying to find a speaker with a matching horn on eBay, etc.). I'm not sure if it can be adapted to fit the C7 enclosure.

On a tube television (such as your 32") you won't notice much different between S-video and Component video, but you should notice difference between Composite and S-video. The superiority of Component video really shows up on RPTVs. FYI, you can build your own high quality component video cables for MUCH MUCH less than buying the pre-made. Get this cable: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=4177152&St=9772&St2=51230968&St3=61760286&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=3025&DID=7 And get these connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_ID=2532&CATID=39 or http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_ID=2463&CATID=39 Then all you need is some tools (which are fairly cheap) and some time. Even if you had to buy some tools (wire stripper, solder gun, and solder) it would still cost you almost half as much as buying pre-made cables.

Most likely all you need are some diaphrams which are $20-30 each. Call the 800 number...

User Name, I will use the KG5.5s are the front mains, and the KG4.2 will be the front center. The KG3.2s will be the rears, and of course the sub will be the sub. The KG4s were originally going to be the rears, but then I decided to use some smaller (the KG3.2s). I am honestly not sure what I'm going to do with the KG4s, but I doubt I'll sell then after putting all that effort into building enclosure for them...maybe they'll find a place in my bedroom somehow.

User Name, the boxes I am building have not yet built but will be built out of 3/4" MDF -- just like my KG5.5 were made with (by Klipsch). MDF is a very good choice for speaker enclosures because it's so dense and heavy. My KG5.5s have a vinyl black finish that is made to look like grained wood that's been painted black. The vinyl have has little lines in it that can be felt (and seen) that look very much like woodgrain. I wanted to find the same, or very similar, vinyl to cover my speakers. Yes, I could buy a oak veneer (at $55 a sheet) then paint it black -- but it seems like a waste to paint a real wood veneer black. I'm actually going to be building 6 boxes (2 for KG3.2s drivers, 1 for KG4.2 drivers, 1 for my subwoofer, and 2 for some KG4 drivers) so using real veneer would get costly very quickly! Once I find this vinyl sheeting, I suspect it will cost a lot less.

Thanks elor554, but that won't work. Based on the description, I'm almost sure it'll be too thick and I would be able to get good corners with this. I'm looking for something thinner and adhesive-backed like contact paper (or slightly thicker) but I also want the simulated woodgrain in black. Thanks for the info though...

I looked around and so far all I can find is plain black vinyl, but now I have myself really wanting to find some "grained" black vinyl so it'll match my KG5.5's finish. Maybe BobG will chime in and let me know Klipsch's supplier so I can contact them about getting some overstock/scraps!

I am thinking of dampening my horns with dynamat instead of rope caulk. I already have a bunch of dynamat (actually a knock-off of the dynamat stuff: http://www.partsexpress.com/...item#268-010 ). I was thinking of using it and just placing one piece on each side of the horn (K-85-Ks from KG5.5s and 4.2s) but not on the curved corners; so this wouldn't totally cover the backside of the horn like rope caulk. I was wondering if anyone feels this might do more harm than good -- or better yet has anyone tried this? This message has been edited by STL on 01-09-2002 at 01:55 PM

quote: Originally posted by synthfreek: Justin, those will not suffice(the gold-plated rca's that is). You need digital interconnects that say "component video cables". They LOOK just like rca's but aren't. WRONG!! Component video cables are just regular 75ohm video cables, and component video is NOT a digital signal (it's analog)!

quote: Originally posted by mike stehr: So did I get screwed, or what? No I wouldn't say you got screwed, but at the same time you could've done better. If the best price, on the net, was $231 (instead of $178) then this progressive scan DVD player would still be a good deal -- simply because it performs so well.

quote: Originally posted by mike stehr: Well I just bought a Panasonic RP-56 off fleabay for $231 total. I really don't mean to be mean, but do you not determine what an item costs new from a regular online retailer before bidding on eBay? I just don't understand why you would take the risk of buying on eBay and spending just as much money (give or take a few dollars) than you could buying it from a well-established online retailer (like 800.com who was has it for $229 -- they did have free shipping else it's only like $6)? If you like risk then why not try ordering it from a less-established online store like, dealznet.com, who has it for like $178 -- at least you're saving about $50 going that route! I don't understand why people pay "street" prices for products on eBay that may or may not really be new (sometimes it's really refurbished). It used to be easy to get good deals on eBay, but now far too many uninformed consumers drive the prices up too high IMHO. This message has been edited by STL on 01-05-2002 at 03:12 PM

I also just got a Panny RP-56 and recommend it. Checkout that link to the shoot-out above. The RP56 is an excellent progressive scan player than has the same chipset and other players costing over twice as much! I wouldn't worry about if the player has Dolby Digital (or DTS) decoding because that's really a moot point now. Any decent A/V Rec'r will already have a DD & DTS decoder in it so you don't need one in the DVD player itself! IMHO, Sony still makes some good gear (heck I just bought an ES A/V Rec'r a couple years ago) but they are not the best at everything -- like I used to think they were when I was younger. Both Panasonic and Toshiba make some solid products and many times they are a much better value too!

quote: Originally posted by justin_tx_16: the video cable... is'nt that just RG-6? We got 500 feet of RG6 cable for 6 cents a foot off the spool. No this cable is suppose to be better than just plain RG-6. At the very very least, it's a lot more flexible, and heck it's only 3 cents a foot more. Using some gold plated Neutrik connectors from Parts Express, I can build a quality 2-meter component cable (using that MV2 cable) for less than $10 -- that same cable from Monster Cable costs $70 (see http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00003CWE6/ref=e_de_acc_2_1/ ). This message has been edited by STL on 01-04-2002 at 08:00 PM

quote: Originally posted by justin_tx_16: Worked for The Thacker Group since i was VERY little, owned by my grandmother and my mom is slowly taking over... Okay, I'm curious. Just what kind of work did you do for The Thacker Group (a public relations agency for food companies and commodity boards) when you were VERY little?

quote: Originally posted by mike stehr: I really feel sorry for ya watching that teeny 47 inch high definition television, Justin. Yup, I don't know any 17-year-olds that have their own widescreen HDTV. It sounds like Justin has a rough life ahead of him! LOL

quote: Originally posted by kenratboy: I had seen the 12 Gauge, Original Monster Cable there before for; get this, 40 cents a foot! Here is some monster cable speaker wire for only 19 cents a foot: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=4052448&St=1493&St2=38504569&St3=41566199&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=3027&DID=7 And checkout this Monster Cable MV2 video cable for only 9 cents a foot: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&User_ID=4052448&St=1493&St2=38504569&St3=41566199&DS_ID=3&Product_ID=3025&DID=7

Thanks, but I'd rather just use adhesive-backed vinyl instead being it should be easier & cheaper to apply. I just need to find some that comes in a roll and has a grained black finish similar to my KG5.5s. I've looked around on the net and found where someone suggested using "shelf paper" for a similar project. I guess I'll checkout the types of shelf paper my local stores carry. Maybe I'll get lucky. If anyone knows a good source of adhesive-backed vinyl then let me know.

Does anyone know where I can purchase a black vinyl covering/material for some DIY speaker cabinets? My Klipsch KG5.5s have a black vinyl finish that has a simulated wood grain. I am building some custom enclosures (for some KG-series drivers that I purchased on eBay & a subwoofer box too) and wanted to finish them with the same/similar black vinyl. I know I could get some veneer then paint them, but that seems like it would be overkill (not to mention more expensive) when all I really want is for them to match my current KG5.5s.

quote: Originally posted by djk: And if you input both into a box program you will see that "the Pioneer driver works better in the KG4 box than the Klipsch driver does". Maybe on paper the Pioneer driver works better -- but real world I would be very surprised if the Klipsch driver doesn't work better. Are you taking the driver's upper frequency response into effect at all? Or are you making your entire judgement based solely on the predicted low frequency (200hz and below) response from some box program? Remember these drivers play up to about 1800hz. I sincerely doubt that box program is telling the whole real world story.

quote: Originally posted by djk: For the woofer though the Pioneer B20FU14 is a good choice.The TS parameters are an exact fit for the KG4 cabinet.A set of four may be ordered from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for $71.80, they're made in Mexico just like the woofers in the $2200 Klipsch RF7s. I must say that you sir don't know what you are talking about!! While that Pioneer woofer might physically fit in the KG4 enclosure, it is not even close (spec wise) to the woofer used in the KG4. Below I have the specs for both listed. I see several big differences, such as the large difference in Vas and Fs, that will greatly affect the sound. I would NOT even consider recommending that Pioneer woofer as a replacement for 8" drivers used in the KG4s! In this case, you get what you pay for... FU14-54F specs: Impedance = 8 Re = 7.1 Xmax = 3.4 Watts = 60 Sensitivity = 90 Qms = 3.03 Qes = .39 Qts = .35 Vas = 36.8 liters Fs = 40 K-8-K (the original driver used in the KG4) specs: Impedance = 4.00 Ohms Re = 7.00 Ohms Xmax = 4.0000mm Watts = 100.0000Watts Sensitivity = 88.58db Qms = 5.900 Qes = 0.405 Qts = 0.379 Vas = 3.0724cuFT = 86.987 liters Fs = 27.99Hz This message has been edited by STL on 01-02-2002 at 10:43 AM

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That's just what I needed Doug. Thanks!