Mr. Blorry

YEAH! Shock's right! Who wears the pants in that household anyway!

Keith- You must be stoked. When the wife approves, that means another upgrade is around the corner, right?

Whoops! Sorry, I completely forgot to follow up on this thread. Thanks for all the effort; I don't need for Trey to waste valuable company time poking around through filing cabinets trying to find out exactly when my speakers were made! I will say it is such a joy to have this message board where us audio-geeks can meet and share information! Thanks Klipsch for GREAT speakers and GREAT service!

NO prob, Boa, that's still the gist of what I'm griping about. I'm singling out Denon, but I'm sure they're all guilty of it. I really like my Denon gear too! I have no problem with it, but give us a break! Actually, I'm sure that it's not just a flash upgrade, but I bet it's nothing more complex than one or two parts inside, and a different faceplate. This is why I build my own computers! I know what's in the machine, and can swap and add parts as I desire. I wish we could do that with modern stereo electronics!

Good for you Keith. Well, it's really aggravating being in the "cutting edge" part of the hobby, because I bought my dvd player unwittingly, without fully investigating the current and emerging technologies and now I wish I had! I hear the progressive scan thing is gonna be cool, but maybe my dvd player will need replacing before I finally cough up the jack for an HDTV! Part of the problem too, is that so much of our hardware is computer chip driven, and the manufacturers simply flash new instructions into the chip, and Voila! It's a brand-new machine! They slap a different model number on a slightly different fascade, and call it a new model! In the (recent) past, we would have to wait several years for something new to arrive, because they would have to develop it from the ground up. Case in point is Denon, of which I own a receiver and a dvd player. They keep releasing units every couple of months, each one more feature packed than the one before it. At least with computer software, we can just install the upgrade! My Denon DVD player had a lip sync problem that was well documented on the web. OK, what could it hurt? I'll take it in to be repaired; folks are saying Denon has a fix for it. I noticed the problem too, but it wasn't as dreadful as others made it out to be, but what the hell--it's under warranty! I took my unit in on May 18, 2001. It was returned to me August 6, 2001. It had to be sent from the local repair shop to the Denon headquarters in California, because the local authorized service centers weren't "equipped" to handle the repair. When I FINALLY got it back, I read the repair order. It said that "software was reprogrammed and upgraded." That means a ROM chip was flashed. I do that to my computers all the time! What the hell is so hard about that? I bet they could have programmed the dvd audio and progressive scan features while they were at it! Grrr.. Well, thanks for letting me fume. Maybe I'll just go back to turntables and tube amps--and I know of a fine speaker to go with it!

Hey Ross! Are you lynching that Heresy? Why, because it's BLACK??? Heaven sakes, man! Get a hold of yourself! Actually, that's a pretty nifty knot holding up that Heresy. You in the Navy or something? This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 08-26-2001 at 11:29 PM

Hey where's Horned when you need him? If ya need over the top Klipsch, ask Ed! I'm curious to see Klipsch's quarterly sales reports at the time Ed bought his speakers--I'm sure there was one smilin' sales K dude somewhere! Prolly took the next month off... Only kidding, Ed. We're just jealous, that's all... Since I only have one pair, I feel Klf30 envy

Boa- No, Richie is nowhere to be found on this remix. In fact, not even Roger Glover's fingerprints are on it. I saw Deep Purple two years ago (ELP was the opening act), and Steve Morse was the guitar player. The boys still rocked the house! It was a childhood dream come true, even without Richie. Keith--Congrats on being one of the first to by DVD Audio. This time, I'm gonna chill for a while. Being the first on my block with the latest thing just hurts too much when you see the increases in features and performance, and the decreases in price that awaits those who wait...

I had to dredge up this aging thread to put in what I find is quite exciting! I have been looking for DTS CDs to play on my DVD player, and the few I have are quite nice, especially Steely Dan Gaucho. Of course, I'm a HUGE fan of this album anyway. Well, I'm at Best Buy (the most god-awful store of its kind on the planet, but a good place to find CD and DVD titles, and the occasional washing machine), and I ask the heavily pimpled associate where I might find the DTS CD selection. His eyes glaze over, obviously with no idea of what I'm talking about, but we find another associate possessing fewer zits that knows right where they are. Interestingly, there is a little known section deep in the "high-end" audio department where both the DTS CDs and DVD Audio titles are kept. I'm floored that Best Buy even has DVD Audio! Well, I can't find what I'm looking for in DTS, but pick up the DVD Audio copy of Deep Purple Machine Head. I start drooling, because it is such a great album, and I have heard many great things about this digital transfer, when lo and behold I read the fine print, and find that this disc can be played on regular DVD players! Yes, it is Dolby Digital, so we know it's compressed, but I thought, what the hell. It's only $22, and I don't have a WAF to deal with. I was flabbergasted. It is the best remastering job I have ever heard! It sounds like the boys recorded it yesterday. Perhaps it would sound even better on a DVD-A deck, but that's not the point I wish to make. The fact that someone took the time to dig up the old master tapes of this classic album, and carefully remaster each track, and then remix down to a new finished product, is what is important. I also bought The Doors LA Woman and although not quite as impressive as Machine Head, it is still far better than the standard digital transfer. I also have the "regular" remastered version of LA Woman. The difference between the two is that on the CD version, they took the original two-track mixdown, and remastered it. With the DVD-Audio version, the same guys took the original 8-track master tapes, remastered each track, then created another mixdown. The difference is amazing, and well worth the $22! I am so glad that those of us with "ordinary" dvd players can enjoy the efforts of those who have painstakingly remastered this great music, even though a true DVD-A player may actually sound better. Even if all they do is go back and remaster onto CD format, I sincerely hope more of these classic albums are brought back to life in this fashion. I could go to any one of these file-swapping services (like Napster used to be) and download every song off both of these albums, but I wouldn't have anywhere near the quality of these new remasters. Since they're DVDs, they have copyright protection, making it difficult to pirate, and they as of yet haven't developed a five-channel audio mp3 anyway! There are thousands of fantastic albums recorded over the past half century that would enjoy a renewed popularity and an upsurge in sales if only they could be restored with equal care. Sure, it's a time consuming and expensive undertaking, but I think the rewards would be well worth the effort. Lastly, I whole-heartedly agree with you guys who think this concept of home theatre audio is a nothing more than a fad and a silly gimmick, but that is also what our predecessors said about stereo when it emerged. Remember the early stereo Beatles albums, Rubber Soul, for example? That was horrible stereo! It was a brand-new technology, so nobody knew what sounded good, and what sound crappy. The same with these attempts at "spatializing" old two-track recordings. The Dolby Digital version of LA Woman is the most subtle surround mix I've heard yet, and ironically, I hear that the DVD-A mix is awful! It seems to me that what they finally learned about stereo, was rather than assigning certain instruments to certain speakers, they could instead mix the tracks to broaden the soundstage, and that is what I hear when I listen to LA Woman. Rather than have an instrument suddenly jump out of a rear speaker at me, it sounds more like the subtle ambience of an auditorium. Opinions? Questions? Anyone?

I'll say you'll have it "mad" until you can replace those Bose! This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 08-23-2001 at 10:07 AM

Thanks for responding Phil! So is DD correct that the speakers were made on the 37th week (mid-September) of 1977? Thanks. Just trying to be as anal as possible.

Looks like the high bidder got some rare and wonderful speakers for a great price!

Yes Mr. Ed, when you see fini walking around with his cart, feel free to insult him by saying that his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries. He'll know what you mean. Say no more...

Really! Paradigm subs are a good match for Klipsch? Yes, I would rather get an SVS, but for the time being I need to keep my costs in check. Shouldn't we wait for the new K subs, or are they not going to matchup well with Legend speakers? Also, since I have a grand total of six twelve inch woofers in my HT rig, shouldn't I be looking at a larger diameter subwoofer? Keep in mind I'm a Legend/Heritage fan here; I prefer the slam and emotion!

They are beautiful! I wonder how old they are??? BobG, can you give us some information on these gems?

Mr. Ed! How 'bout two pair of Heresys for indoors enjoyment, and have road cases built for a pair of yer 30s for outdoor entertaining! I've never heard KLF 30s outside (I don't plan on taking mine outside either), but I bet they'd crank! My buddy has a pair of older Klipsch pro series PA speakers that were built to be used outside, and they are awesome. Maybe the KLF 30 idea is silly, but Klipsch pro gear with a nice Crown amp would be the crowd fave on party nights! Ask the K boys if you can borrow a big K banner and lash it to the side of the motor home, proudly displaying the discriminating choice of audiophiles everywhere! This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 08-16-2001 at 01:58 AM

Well, I hope I'm not a day late and a $ short like I usually am, but... I was pokin' around the net, and found this review http://www.stereotimes.com/Klipschorn_Speaker_System.htm of the K-Horn dated August 2001! That's like, kinda recent, huh? From the tone of the article, it sounds like they're fairing well amidst the onslaught of modern technology, but bear in mind that the reviewer is also the owner! He's one of us! This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 08-15-2001 at 10:36 PM

So Mr. Ed, may I deduce from your explaination that the new Reference subs won't be out until autumn? I wonder which sub (if any manufactured by Klipsch) would be best suited for my single pair of KLF 30s and my single pair of Heresy surrounds? A sub is something I will only use for home theatre, and that comprises less than ten percent of my stereo usage, so I really need to keep the cost below $700. Since all my speakers save the center speaker are filled with twelve inch woofers, I figure that a fifteen inch sub would be essential. Any ideas? Anyone? Anyone? Am I looking at closer to a grand? Anyone?

OK Steve, whatcha got lined up fer the bathroom??? KLF 20s on either side of the porcelain god with a C7 on the tank??? I need to stop by for a visit my next trip down to CLT!

The fat man rocks! Klipsch makes you feel like Jerry's still around! Nice rig too!

I will admit never trying to take grilles off of Cornwalls, but when I picked up my (new) 1977 Heresys the other day, I had the same quandry. I went to the kitchen and grabbed a metal spatula. Slid it inbetween the grille and the frame, and gently pushed back on the handle. Voila! It separated the velcro just enough to get my grubby little fingers underneath, and then removal was a snap. Perhaps you can utilize the same precise technology to remove Cornwall grilles?

Interesting that an authorized "Yahoo!" merchant is not an authorized K dealer! In the brief history of the internet, Yahoo! has tried to establish itself as a reputable source for information, news and entertainment as well as a reliable clearinghouse for quality products and dependable services. According to them, if we see the "Yahoo!" seal of approval on a merchant's website, we as consumers can trust that this is a respectable business and not some shady, fly by night con. True to my experience with "Yahoo!" authorized businesses to date, it is not at all surprising to me that the stereo retailer in queston here is not completely on the up-and-up. I have had dealings with four businesses that display the Yahoo! emblem, and have had terrible experiences with all of them. Each matter was eventually resolved, but not until Yahoo! themselves had to step in and mediate. It was like dealing with a misbehaving child who would not settle down until the parents were called in and threatened punishment! IMHO, beware of any company that displays the the Yahoo! symbol. I don't think Yahoo! does a very good job of screening the businesses they sponsor, and they only rely on customer feedback to monitor their level of service, rather than to conduct a periodic performance appraisal. Yahoo! Buyer Beware! This message has been edited by Mr. Blorry on 08-05-2001 at 12:23 PM

Thanks DD! You the man. It's a shame when the "authorized" K dealer makes a claim that is apparently incorrect! Unless BobG has some different input. Bob?? Perhaps you (or someone else) can fill us in on the serial number coding scheme? Or is it classified, in which case you could tell us, but then you'd have to shoot us.

I'm confused (which is often). When I bought my "previously enjoyed" Heresys from my friendly K-Store, the sales fossil said they were 1980 vintage. I never disputed his claim until I decided to dig through the posts on this message board, and found a code scheme that doesn't agree with what the old man said. The serial numbers are thus: 37R473 37R479 From what I found on the boards, it looks like these speakers were built in 1977. Which is correct? Also, does anyone know what other information the serial number provides other than the date? Thanks. You guys are the best.

Did Elvis like Klipsch? Maybe there's K-Horns all over Graceland...uh, huh.