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Hi JR I will PM you the Manufacture of the Pre-Amp It has been getting rave reviews but I think its no good for many reasons

---------------- On 8/25/2004 5:03:18 PM SteelerFan wrote: Lucky for me I'm also a music first guy and designed my system with that in mind. Now I don't have to be jealous. ---------------- Hi If music is your priority in your system and you have the Reference system you have absolutely nothing to be jealous of And you have made the right choice in your system selection

Hi Ok I understand your position as I work closely with builders myself. I assume you are using the RC-7 in its horizontal position as the center for the RF-7 system just for kicks try the RC-7 in its vertical position and play some Foley Effects that pan from L-C-R or R-C-L The Haunting (Chapter where Katherine Zeta Jones?) walks out of the room and the big door closes behind here is a good one the sound travels from the shallow left to hard center and then hard right I think you will see how dispersion plays a critical role in how the track sounds The same can be done with pink noise panning from the LCR but is a little less detectable I find it interesting that you preferred the Rotel over the Aragon I agree that the DSP's in particular pre amps and receivers can have a huge impact on the way steering the signal is accomplished and is very important I just completed an Install with a highly regarded entry level pre amp and I thought that its DSP was terrible information that was present on other pre amps I have installed was buried or omitted on this pre amp Did you evaluate the two with an Analog source at all or just digital ? Cheers And As Always Happy Listening

Hi The RF-35 is currently being used as the rear surround not the RS-35 no where did I mention the use of the RS-35 (The RF-35 Towers) There are more sonic similarities between the RS-7 surround and the RF-35 than the RS-7 and the RF-7 a frequency test generator will verify this and IMOHO using the RF-35 tower as the rear surround in our demo room sounds better than using the RS-7 that we had previously. but as I have said in the above posts we have had the Reference series set up in multi configurations including the use of RS-7 as the surrounds A close sonic match for the RF-7 would be the use of an RB-75 or RC-7 as the surround channel These speakers yielded the best overall sonic match to the RF-7 we have had the Reference system set up this way The question about electronics was also addressed a couple of posts back I Used the Aragon Stage One for both systems and am now currently using the Yamaha RXV2400 to Demo both systems Cheers

(Quote) verses a MIXED 7 series, 35 series, 15 series. I have no doubt that that setup would lack trhe seamlessness of the THX in surround. It is grossly mismatched. Try to imagine the Blue Angels in their F/A 18s flying in competition to the Thunderbirds in their F16s but with the T Birds with a spitfire in place of one F16 and two Cessnas on wing. Might look interesting, but certainly isn't competitive or harmoneous. Try getting some RS7s in place I have demo'd the RF-7 in every configuration possible Including 5 RF-7's and 2 RB-75's FYI the RS-7 is not a perfect match for the RF-7 and employs the same tweeter as the RF-35 and the RB-15 The 1" Titanium 90x60 Tractrix The RF-7 uses a completly different tweeter the 1.75" Titanium 90x60 Tractrix The Match would be a RB-75 or RC-7 surround I have used them both in a complete Reference system

(Quote) Folks have made good points regarding the price/performance ratio with the Rx-7 package versus the THX Ultra2 package. However, very little has been mentioned regarding the capability of the Rx-7 package to blend seamlessly. I am like many HT enthusiasts today in that I have a receiver that does acoustic room correction. After acoustic calibration, my front speakers give a perfectly seamless front as near as I can tell. Front to back is very good, but not perfect. Please dont try and read into my comments I love the Reference Series speakers and as I have said in the first post they have there strenths over the THX Ultra II system I used an Aragon Stage One and a Yamaha RXV 2400 on both systems. Currently both are being evaluated and demo'd with the 2400 YPAO and or auto room correction may fool you into thinking that you are able to obtain a flat correct response from your speakers and it may be somewhat effective in some rooms but it is not a perfect solution. All of the Auto room set up Eq programs that Yamhaha,Denon and Pioneer are using are not very accurate all one need to do is verify SPL level settings with there SPL meter to see what I am talking about I have seen 3-8 dB errors in the software and corrected EQ plots that are way off I think one needs to evaluate the THX Ultra II system up against the Reference system and decide for themselves If you have not demo'd the THX Ultra II system how do you know the Reference series speakers are close in performance to the THX Ultra II for movie soundtracks? not trying to be hostile here but that's like saying a Camaro and a TransAM drive exactly the same even though you have never driven the TransAM The THX Ultra II system has a totally different dispersion pattern than that of the Reference series Its Vertical Octave and Horizontal Octave Polars are very different I think this may have more to do with its ability to perform better for Multi-Channel Movie sound tracks than anything else I may be wrong but I think the engineers set out to design this speaker package with this in mind with no compromises toward that end and everything else in its design philosophy was secondary With the Reference Series I believe it was designed to be a very good speaker system for all formats A jack of all trades type speaker does this make sense? As to the question on what I have installed I have been in the industry for 18 years with 12 years experience in Custom Installation In the Klipsch line I have installed K Horns,La Scala,Heresy,KPT-941,KPT-250,KPT-200,KPT-100KI-102,KI-262,Ki-362,KP-250 All Reference Series, All Synergy Series, All KLF and KSP series, Contractor series, HS series and the old THX series as well as most other manufactured Loudspeakers and Subwoofers in Consumer and Pro Audio environments I dont know it all infact I learn something new every week and I am learning from this conversation as well

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(QUOTE) Can one get the subs separate of the system? My local retailer said you could not. It is my understanding that you can purchase the Subs separate You guys are putting me in a difficult position and I may get my behind slapped for this one but here goes If you have a good working relationship with your Klipsch dealer/Custom Installer and can smooth talk a little the THX ULTRA II system is closer in price than you may think to a complete RF-7 system (RF-7,RC-7,RS-7,RB-35 ex,(2) RSW12 Subs) I will not elaborate on this subject on the forum (QUOTE) unfortunatly most of us DON'T own our own audio salons and therefore have the luxury of having whatever we want at our disposal. I hope I have not given the impression that I own a Salon, I don't. I am a Custom Installer with a small private showroom nothing fancy just a good environment for my clients to listen to audio and see a front projection system in action I have a child and a wife so I am well aware of the balancing act most of us must endure day to day month to month and year to year WAF It has been my experience that smaller objects in the home have more of an appeal for women than larger ones (We are talking speakers) The THX Ultra II system is more compact than the RF-7 based system However it is only available in Galaxy Black finish My advice is to get the official nod before proceeding she may like the size of the THX Ultra II or she may say no on the finish If you are installing in custom entertainment center then the THX Ultra II system is a no brainer Questions? Comments?

---------------- On 8/8/2004 9:28:25 PM jdm56 wrote: I love my klipsch, but the PB2 is one heckuva sub value, imho. (honey, can i please???) ---------------- You really must demo the new Klipsch THX Ultra II Subs then you can love your Klipsch even more

Hi I think if you make cost a factor the RF-7 system is a good value I would choose the THX Ultra subwoofers over the RSW 15 The THX Ultra subs never loose there composure Tight,Fast and Powerful are a few words that come to mind The THX Ultra II system retails for about $10,700 for the L/C/R Dipole surrounds EX speakers, 2 Ultra Subs and a 1000 watt Amp I have both set up in my showroom RF-7,RC-7,RF-35,RB-15 (I have tried the RF-7,RC-7 with RS-7 WDST rear surrounds and have installed a complete 7 channel RC-7 system)and most all other combo's including Heritage and Klipsch Pro Cinema in commercial applications The Klipsch Ultra II system has no competition in the Home Theater environment (for movie sound tracks)at this time If you are a Videophile you must listen to these Or if you are trying to complete a system look at the various components in the system If you are an Audiophile then these are not for you Heritage would be the ones to hear Questions,Comments?

Hi All Here are a few observations from an Installers viewpoint on the Klipsch THX Ultra II vs Klipsch RF-7 Based system (RF-7 RC-7 RF-35 surrounds and RB-15 Ex channels) I have both in my showroom now and have been listening to them for the last couple of days . Let me start by saying that the Klipsch THX Ultra II system is clearly superior to the RF-7 based system for 5.1 and 7.1 movie sound tracks. Its not even a close comparison! The system is absolutely seamless. Dialogue from the center channel is clear and distinct, hard pans from left to right ,right to left and front to rear are uncannily smooth and effortless. This system excels in its sheer unrestrained dynamic capabilities. Flyovers from action sound tracks like X2 on the DTS demo disk 8 sound incredible. Foley effects were equally impressive. The THX Ultra II system really brought the soundtracks to life. Information that was present and audible on the THX Ultra II system were sometimes buried or inaudible on the RF-7 based system. The new Klipsch THX Ultra subwoofers are the best subwoofers Klipsch has produced. To say they will play low and clean is an understatement. The RF-7 system sounds very good; I have always liked this system and have installed many systems in many different configurations. It will play loud and clean and excels in dynamics. This was one of my favorite systems until I heard the THX Ultra II system. I had a pre conceived notion that the RF-7 system would hold up very well against the THX Ultra II system because they are larger speakers with very large cone surface areas. Boy was I wrong. Mind you the RF-7 system sounds very good. In Fact it sounds fantastic until you put it side by side with the THX Ultra II system. Music Simply put the RF-7 was the clear winner here for 2 channel. The THX Ultra II sounded good but the RF-7 sounded much more robust and a lot fuller. The THX Ultra II system was much dryer than the RF-7. The easiest way to describe the difference was the notes played on the THX Ultra II system seemed to decay much faster that resulted in a much shallower sound stage. The dispersion characteristic's of the THX Ultra II system and the cross over points probably contributed to this as well DVD-A/SACD The RF-7 system was a little better here also, although it was much closer than with 2 channel. Both systems sounded very good with a slight edge going to the RF-7 system. Again it sounded much fuller. This was most likely due to using the larger speaker in the front and full range rear surrounds in the rear This is how I would advise a client who is trying to choose between the two : If you are a hard core movie junkie the THX Ultra II system is a no brainer. If you are going to use your system 60% or more of the time for Home Theater go for the THX system. If you are a 50% movie 50% music it is a tough call. If you listen to more 2 channel and multi-channel DVD-A/SACD, I would lean toward the RF-7 system. I am not trying to imply that being an Installer, somehow gives me golden ears. Far from it! Many years in Pro audio and consumer audio may have taken their toll on these old ears, but I can still hear and IMOHO the new Ultra II system ROCKS!!! Questions ? Comments?

Hi All As requested will now have the RF-7 based system (RF-7,RC-7) and the THX Ultra II system for A/B demo Thanks

Hi All As requested will now have the RF-7 based system (RF-7,RC-7) and the THX Ultra II system for A/B demo Thanks

Woops the one I have is an RCR-5 not a RCW-5 Sorry

These are only sold in pairs I do however have one new in the box I used the other one for a custom install EX rear center e-mail me if interested

Corrected content to read Aragon Thanks

Corrected content to read Aragon Thanks

Hi What model of Da-lite are you looking for? Screens selection is critical based on projector,viewing angles viewing distance and ambient light in room Cheers

Purchase a Klipsch THX Ultra system and we will include an Aragon Stage One THX Ultra Pre Amp. We will also include a free THX room mode calculation,installation consultation, and Free Onsite THX calibration *Limited time Promotion*

Hi Putting subs in corners of the room will not smooth out the response in a room You will gain room dB by doing this and may also experience Boom General rule of thumb for subwoofers when trying to achieve a smooth response is placing them 1/3 in from each side wall this is a general rule of thumb For a more acurate placement a room mode calculation/evaluation should be done Cheers

Or if you want a nice clean look you might look at the 1201's for rear surround speakers they will match very well with any of the Heritage speakers and with there grill in place they look very nice on a back wall let me know if you want pictures or info on them I have a set here ready for an install next week and I had great pleasure burning them in for the install they are simply amazing speakers for a Heritage install Cheers

My My My How we all have progressed in this thread Now that we all have the very versatile crate furniture in our listening rooms Its time to go on to the next step and acquire some fine media to put into one of our crates these I think these will be the hot ticket to fit our decor http://porktornado.diaryland.com/albumcover.html a word of warning for the single having these in your room will garner reactions from the oppsite sex like Hi Karate Cologne Link above posted from another fourm

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But...what if I am "geographically challenged" and do not have access to said "Safeway" crates? Boy, this is just not fair - not only do I have to accept "lowly" Forte's, but I am relegated as well to non-desireable "Kroger" and "Albertson's" crates.... Hi Popbumper This subject was just discussed in my weekly Klipschaholics anonymous meeting one member concluded that the other branded crates made excellent Audio Racks for his Aragon Pre Amp and Amp he went on to say that the stack ability and different color of the crate made his system the focal point in the room He even said he was considering submitting the idea to Trading Spaces and HGTV