Kevin S

The Fletcher-Munson curves also help explain why when conducting any comparison of audio components, (wires, cables, amps, preamps, speakers, etc.), if the comparisons are not made at matched levels, the results really cannot be considered valid. Without matched levels, you are probably hearing the changes in sensitivity of your ears more than any change in the component. It also explains why when people set equalizers up by ear, you usually see the bass end and the treble ends boosted. People do not generally listen at 90 to 95 db levels for their everyday listening, so they are compensating for the natural response rolloff of their ears at lower levels. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

FWIW, here is my 2 cents. Room placement and the room speaker interface are the most important factors in how a speaker sounds in a given room. This is true with all speakers. However, there is a big difference with your Heresy's. Unlike virtually any other speaker out there (besides other Klipsch Heritage speakers) your Heresy's were designed by PWK to sound best placed on the floor & IN THE CORNER of the room. So any work in getting the best out of your Heresy's has to start there and work it's way out. My experience in making measurements in my room, of my Heresy's by themselves placed on their risers on the floor, found the most evenly balanced measurements to be about 24" out from the corner. They measured about 5db down at 40hz, 3db down at 50 hz, about 5 db up at 63hz and 3 db up at 80hz. When measured out in the room, placed like most "audiophile" speakers recommend, there was virtually no bass response below 80 hz. So if I had based my impression of the Heresy's in this position, they would have definitely been characterized as bright or shrill due to the complete lack of bass and the fact that the Heresy's, and all of the other Heritage speakers I have owned, have very detailed mids and highs IMHO. So I would recommend starting with the Heresy's in the corners as PWK recommended and working your way out until you have found the balance that suits you. I hope this helps. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

If you used the analog Radio Shack SPL meter, did you account for it's rolloff in the bass frequencies and above 10khz when you made you measurements? SVS has the adjustments needed on their web site. Also, keeping your Cornwalls in the corner, but moving them out several inches to a foot may reduce your bass bump at 50 & 63hz a couple of db. Also, if you are going to run the Cornwalls full range, I would recommend that you cross the sub over at no higher than 40 hz if possible, also to help minimize the 50hz bump. I have found that a bump of more than 3 or 4db at 50hz and 63hz initially gives the impression of great bass, but ultimately is where "boominess" resides and will actually hide bass detail above and below those frequencies. Your high end response is certainly affected if you have a mostly tile room, but I have found that when trying to measure high frequencies in my room, very slight movements, especially up and down, will cause the measurements to vary greatly, so I don't spend the time trying to smooth them the way I work on the bass. I hope this helps. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Mdeneen, Please take me out of the "science" circle and place me in the "lost" circle, which is where I have been in relation to this thread for the past couple of days. This message has been edited by Kevin S on 01-25-2002 at 12:13 PM

I don't think Klipsch wants to build anything where you can't see the copper colored bass drivers. I think the Heresy II will vanish when their supply of drivers is used up. IMHO, I think the promise of manufacturing PWK's "heritage" speakers will vanish when he says his final farewell. I hope I am wrong. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Mace, I believe the "Double" in DBT means that neither the tester or the listener knows which component is being tested at any given time. Mdeneen, Yes, I know there is a lot of statistical and mathematical analysis of DBT results. However, I took Prana to mean that if someone came up with a mathematical equation that showed some type of electrical characteristic of a cable, would that be proof of there being a difference in the way the cable would sound when compared to another cable. That would not be the type of proof I would be interested in. In fact, many cable manufacturers already supply such "proof". This whole topic basically revolves around whether there are any differences that can be heard, and a listening test that at minimum meets the two criteria I described is what I would consider a valid test of that.

Prana, I personally am not looking for mathematical proof. As I have stated numerous times, any contolled, verifiable and repeatable listening test(s) where the listener(s) does not know which component (in this case cables) they are listening to and volume levels are matched between components would work for me.

I tried it with some B&W 601 S2 speakers because everything I read said it was a dramatic improvement. If it made a difference, it was so slight that I could not really be sure. It was far less of a difference than the change I could get from varying the toe in of the speaker, for example. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Mike, I am not sure if I am putting this exactly the correct way, but the capacity for people to fool themselves into thinking that they have achieved a desired result, even when they haven't, is a well documented phenomenon. All of us are susceptible to it to some degree. There is an abundance of science out there that shows this is especially true in audio. And the anecdotal evidence of this phenomenon, in the form of products that have been foisted upon and accepted by the audiophile community as a "breakthrough", only to fade quietly into oblivion when the next "breakthrough" appears is even more overwhelming.

Mdeneen, Just wanted you to know you are not alone in your concerns about the John Risch information. I have previously read some info of his, and while it always seemed logical and well thought out, frankly, for a novice such as me, making the information seem that way is probably fairly easy. Naturally, I wondered where the listening tests were that he used to verify his theories, and sadly I did not find any. His motives may be honorable, and he may be 100% correct, but without the support of some type of controlled verification, I, like yourself, am surprised at how people accept information such as this as gospel.

Well Mobile, thanks for the tip about the signature. I do not recall whether my response at the time was meant to be sarcastic or not. I have to admit that I have not paid close attention to the details of the mechanics of posting to this site. I do remember someone had a thread about how should we be using the signature and I don't remember anyone mentioning this ability to turn it off, or maybe I just missed it. There are many things in my life that I pay less attention to than others. Just as there are things I do less well than others. The fact that I have no aptitude for constructing speakers doesn't mean I therefore must have no aptitude for listening to them. So while I must admit to not paying attention to this particular detail of posting, it does not necessarily follow that I must not be paying attention when I listen to my system. As for the wire issue, I take no interest in which specific wire is being discussed because it is my general experience that people with the subjective point of view claim to hear differences in all wires. Since I have never heard a difference in any wire I have used, knowing the specific wire being talked about is not really relevant to me in having the discussion. Besides, the discussion I have been trying to have relates to proving that one can hear these differences, which again, doesn't really require any specifics as to which wire. In fact, one of the perplexing things to me about the subjective point of view is that there never seems to be a situation where a component doesn't have a sound of it's own. Where by my point of view, there could be situations where a component could effect a change (in bandwidth or frequency response for example) that could be heard. Naturally, I would be in favor of testing to see if the change, while there, would in fact, be audible! The main point I have thought I have tried to make is that people who claim to hear these differences present themselves as having some special ability that others do not have, yet refuse to either submit these abilities to any type of verification, or to accept the results of those who have attempted to verify this ability, especially since, as far as I know, all of these attempts have shown no real special ability at all. Finally, it should be obvious why folks with my point of view would be reluctant to enter into these discussions, why you do not run into us very often on the internet and why the internet is a haven for folks with the subjectivist point of view. Each of my requests that I have posted to this board for some proof from folks such as yourself is met with, however nicely written, condencension (sp?), insults on our intelligence, hearing abilities, and our choice of equipment. And no proof. This message has been edited by Kevin S on 01-19-2002 at 03:53 AM

Mobile, Although well written, you post concerning me and your assumptions of how I have reached this opinion I hold is typical of what I previously wrote. Since I do not hear what you claim to hear, either myself or my equipment is in some way defective or inferior. And since I have the audacity to ask folks such as yourself to actually prove that you are hearing these things, I must be a "flat earther". Failing to hear the differences that must exist simply because you say it is so. I am not qualified to argue the fine points of electrical circuits, and I won't get into some silly conversation about whether my hearing acuity, or my audio equipment is, or ever was, "good enough". And I know that I will never come up with an argument or a test that will prove my point to you. But, and this is a major difference between you and I, I am willing to be proven wrong by folks such as yourself. Just come up with a test of your ability, without peeking at the equipment, and with levels matched, that verifies the abilities that you claim. Naturally, I do not really expect you to suddenly devise this test and prove your point. But I think that it is a safe bet that if your side of this argument could be made on something more than an anecdotal basis, that it would have been done long ago by someone with the resources and reasons to have done so. The fact that it hasn't should make even the believers out there wonder why. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

mdeneen, I think the one thing that bothers me the most is that, to use your analogy, the 99 people who do not have perfect pitch, are being told by the cable companies, and by many of their customers, that in essence, their cables will give it to them. And frankly, most people, after spending their money and having been told to expect a certain result, will be predisposed to thinking they achieved the result, whether they have or not. That type of behaviour is a long understood part of human nature. And I suspect that the 1 percent of the folks with perfect pitch can demonstrate this in some type of listening test, yet the folks claiming to have this "perfect pitch" when it comes to cables refuse to even take the test. And frankly, even though what you say about cables being a part of a circuit makes sense to me, until the 1% prove to me that they can hear this change in the circuit, I am going to consider the change inaudible. Not that it doesn't exist, just that it is inaudible. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Prana, ahh the old "if the test doesn't prove my point then the test is flawed" excuse. And if the test isn't flawed then the participants are "homeless half wits". At least the homeless half wits have been trying to prove their side. Any idea as to when a group of your trained and practiced listeners are going to get together, design a valid test, and put an end to this controversy? It is responses such as this from the folks on your side of the fence that makes it impossible for me to accept what you say simply because you say it. I have frequently asked the question as to why there has NEVER, to my knowledge, been a test conducted by ANYONE, that has confirmed these differences. If these cable companies weren't selling vodoo, wouldn't several of them (if not all of them) have conducted testing by now, and used that testing to market themselves against their inferior competition? Of course they would have, if there were any differences to hear. It has always made me chuckle that when most of these supposed differences are reported in the subjective audio press that they are mostly described as being easily heard, and obvious to the reviewer, but when the question arises as to why everyone doesn't hear them, it suddenly becomes an issue that either the person hasn't "learned" to hear the differences or their equipment isn't "transparent" enough. I guess that I have had terrible luck over the years. For over 30 years I have been in this hobby and not once have I ever gotten a system put together that was good enough to hear cable differences. And although I have listened to music virtually every day of my life (well at least as far back as I can remember), I still haven't trained myself to be discriminiating enough to hear these differences. The good news that comes along with my ignorant bliss is that I think I have spent most of my time actually listening to my music and not my cables. I guess there is something to be said for that. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Prana, there have been numerous listening tests conducted that show cables do not make an audible difference. I am not aware of even one that shows they do. Thats why folks like me who do not hear the differences would like to see proof from those of you that do. Taking "your" word for it doesn't cut it. I will admit, however, that if the test was conducted with the listener watching Sean Young sitting on a bicycle seat, and pumping up the shocks, that the results may have been different! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Mobile, I thought I'd check out the web site of Welborne. Besides not being able to find any mention of bandwidth, frequency response or distortion (surprise, surprise, but I am sure they sound great anyway since that stuff doesn't matter),I found this line that must explain the real reason you like them: "The Moondog 2A3 is now also available "nude". Now thats a man who keeps his audio priorities straight! ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

As a McIntosh loon, I first want to say that I was not offended by mobile. Second, I looked up "uninvolving musically" in my latest edition of the Miriam Mobile Webster Homeless dictionary and here is what I found: "Any amplifier with wide bandwidth that exceeds audibility, with ruler flat frequency response, with almost immeasurable amounts of THD and IMD at all power levels from a few miiliwatts to maximum output, that cannot be driven into clipping, that does not require constant recalibration of and occasional replacement of parts, and will not heat a small room." ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 This message has been edited by Kevin S on 01-18-2002 at 09:47 AM

Ah, Mobile. So nice to hear from you again. I should have realized when I used the word bullsh*t that you would have assumed I was talking about you. I'll have to be more careful. My apologies. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Easyeyes, I doubt that PWK is involved in any of the marketing decisions made by the company today. This is a partial quote from the owners manual of the Klipschorns I bought new in 1985: "Good cable and connections will make an audible improvement in the sound of your Klipsch loudpeakers." Further on this follows: "As an alternative to a special cable system, common lampcord will provide satisfactory performance and is readily available in every area." I should note that my Klipschorns were internally wired with Monster Cable at that time. It should also be noted that there was no mention of this fact in the manual, and that no claims were made as to any sonic superiority from doing this. I do not think anyone would argue with the statements made in the brochure. You do need good cable and good connections. I think that PWK's Dope from Hope paper Volume 17, No. 1 from 1978 speaks to how "good" was defined by PWK. Some partial quotes: 1. "Our tests show...that the essential property of loudspeaker wire is it's ohmic resistance." 2. "This method of test showed no audible difference on guitar or octave bands of pink noise between 40 foot lengths of "speaker wire" or #18 zip cord." 3. "Finally respnse curves were run on speaker wire and zip cord to show a negligible frequency discrimination." 4. " We hope this dispells the fantasy about "high frequency definition" as well as any other claim of superiority of "speaker wire"." It is my conclusion that "good" as defined by PWK means low resistance and proper mechanical construction and connections. I purchased two compilations of papers by PWK off of e-bay several weeks ago. One set are the "Dope from Hope" mentioned above and the other set is a "Biography of Audio Papers" that were once available from Klipsch. I would suggest everyone get themselves a set and read through them. I is my opinion that they can be used as excellent bullsh*t filters. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

ESS has a website: www.essspeakers.com ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

I like that story Bob G! Isn't odd that two men such as PWK and Mr. Bose could come up with speakers that are so different yet have so much in common: 1. Both men have used very scientific approaches to come up with their versions of what is "right" as far as speakers and sound. 2. Both brands are mostly reviled by the "audiophile" community. 3. Both brands have very large sales volumes, contrary to what the "audiophiles" would expect. 4. Both brands have survived for decades as others have come and gone. 5. Both brands have made extensive use of some form of loading of their drivers to increase output and reduce distortion. (I know that Bose doesn't use horns in a conventional sense, but an "acoustic wave guide" seems a lot like a folded horn in it's effect). 6. Both brands flagship products, the Klipschorn and the 901, while having bandwidth that covers the musical spectrum (considered to be about 40hz to 15khz before cd's) don't have frequency response that is particularly flat or "extended" on either end of the spectrum. 7. Finally, while the Klipschorn is the longest continually produced speaker (although since it's been so long since you could actually buy a new one, that title seems to be in jeopardy) the 901 may well be second or third. The Heresy is right up there as well. So it would seem that if you take a scientific approach to designing a speaker, get the response and bandwidth to be most correct in the musical part of the audible spectrum, and refine your product instead of trying to pretend that you have reinvented the wheel every couple of years, you can be successful, while having a product that is unique compared to what is considered "normal". ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

Roger Russell's site: www.sundial.net/~rogerr/aboutmc.htm ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000 This message has been edited by Kevin S on 01-15-2002 at 02:27 PM

Depending on the source, the music and the recording, it ranges from 70 to 80 db. With movies, occasional peaks at 95 to 100 db are normal for me. Both of these are considered "loud" by most people that are in the room with me at any given time. If no one is home and I want to "play", I find that music in the 95 to 100db range is fun for a while, but not long term. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

BigBean hit the nail right on the head. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000

First, the equipment listing is placed in the signature when I set up my preferences for this board, and is done automatically when I post. Sorry you don't like it. I find it useful when used by others. Second, nowhere in my post did I imply or state that you were backing down on anything. I offered you the opportunity to save yourself the time and your amp, since I felt that I had made my points, and that is not the same as saying you were backing down, now is it? Third, You may tweak to your heart's content. But that kind of defeats the purpose of listening to a system that isn't affected by the HTS5000 doesn't it? You were pretty clear that you had never heard any system whose amplifiers were't affected by power conditioners, and wanted to be shown one that wasn't. Wouldn't "tweaking" be changing the system? Be that as it may, I stand by my only two rules: no peeking at the equipment once you've started and levels must be matched. ------------------ L/C/R: Klipsch Heresy II Surround: Klipsch RS-3 Subwoofers: 2 HSU-VTF-2 Pre/Pro/Tuner: McIntosh MX-132 AMP: McIntosh MC-7205 DVD: McIntosh MVP-831 CD Transport: Pioneer PD-F908 100 Disc Changer Turntable: Denon DP-72L Cassette: Nakamichi BX-1 T.V. : Mitsubishi 55905 SAT/HDTV: RCA DTC-100 Surge Protector: Monster Power HTS-5000