JewishAMerPrince

You guys crack me up!!! I have pr KG 3.5 black like new & a KV 1, well used but excellent condition. Location 33463 (also get discount UPS). Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 4/24/2005 9:37:17 AM DeanG wrote: I recently had a phone conversation with someone that's been doing this audio thing for longer than most of us have been around. He uses the Panasonic, and says it just plain sounds as good or better then anything he's ever used before. Dean I use the little Panny XR25 in my MBR to power 2 RB25s, 1 RCX4 and 2 RS25s. I have often been astonished by the sound quality of this mighty midget. I didn't purchase it for it's SQ, but for it's size. It needs to sit on a tiny glass shelf under my Hitachi 46" RPTV and look invisable. The outrageous sound quality was serendipitious. I've often thought about pulling this "baby" out of the rack and hooking it up to my 7 series theater and see how it does in place of $6K of Rotel separates. Jerry R

---------------- P.S. To those who own the RSP-1068, how is this pre/pro? I can understand why an amplifer would retail for $2,000 (which seems like a good value for this amp), but why so much for a pre/pro? (almost $2,000) I know it handles the signal processing and whatnot, what are the differences between say a $1000 preamp, a $2000 one, and a $5000 one? ---------------- Pre/pros are far more complex and have a shorter half life before becoming obsolete than amplifiers do. Therefore, the development costs per unit are much higher than amplifiers. Actually, at $1700 (+ or -) the RSP 1068 is a bargain. It has the brain and most of the internal organs of Rotel's $3000 flagship RSP 1098. The 1098 is a very special sounding piece of gear, The clarity and surround steering are top notch. I can vouch for it first hand, since I own one. The 1068 is no wanna-be, it is truely almost indistinguishable sound wise from the 1098. I have the same speakers as you do ( except for the SW) and what I can say for sure is that you are in for a real treat. Just give the Rotels about 20 to 30 hours to break in before doing any critical listening. Jerry Rappaport

Interesting comment Scorpio I too have pm'd Dean more than once on pricing and timing and never gotten an answer. I'm sure that isn't Dean's intention, but perhaps just the result of his success. Jerry Rappaport

I always a little sceptical of those reviews because they are not done in a controlled manner. For example, what was the reviewer using to power the RC35 vs the RC25? For example, if he was using a Denon or Yamaha receiver, which both have an enhanced upper bass/lower midrange and sound as if they have "loudness contour" applied, then the RC 25 which is less capable in those ranges would sound more "normal" since it's weakness in those frequencies is compensated for by the receiver, and with the RC 35 which IS more capable in those bands it would sound overly heavy. I had a good example of that this weekend. I have a friend who I steered towards a 35 series setup who was using a Denon 3801 receiver and thought that it sounded ok, but not spectacular, a bit heavy in the lower mid and muddy in the upper bass. He was ready for an electronics upgrade, and was considering a Denon 3805, but I was able to steer him towards a Rotel RSX 1056. Well, on Saturday we hooked everything up. The difference in the overall system balance and clarity was astounding, now his system is crystal clear, with balance between the highs and the mid, and good weight in the lower bass. It's really hard to discribe what a difference the right electronics makes until you've heard it for yourself. Jerry Rappaport

Many "refurbs" were never problematical to start with. Ever wonder what happens when someone returns a unit during a 14 or 30 day return policy? Yes, they go back to the manufacturer to be checked out and wind up being sold as a "refurb". I've purchased several pieces of equipment that were labled "refurb" and never had a problem. JR

---------------- On 2/19/2005 12:53:19 AM kenratboy wrote: Oh thanks, I am about ready to buy the Synergy's because I work at BB/Magnolia and now I feel bad about doing this. ---------------- Used to be (last year) that any BB employee could get an employee discount on any of the Klipsch speakers, including Reference and Heritage. I go this info from the Atlanta regional BB manager. This may have changed, however. It pays to inquire. Jerry Rappaport

---------------- On 2/23/2005 12:00:23 AM ottscay wrote: We as a nation created the outsourcing problem through our economic policies, and by ignoring the trade imbalance for the last two decades. Klipsch did not create this economic climate anymore than the rest of us did. Scott ---------------- Our country's move from being manufacturing based to being service based began in the 70s when "American" craftsmanship hit an all time low. People discovered that Japanese cars were built better than their American counterparts and were a better value because they were cheaper. It all snowballed from there gaining momentum as it went along. Americans out of work? I believe only if they want to be. In my own business (construction) we have a very difficult time finding American workers who are willing to work hard, do a good job and don't show up drunk every so often. Those that are sober have businesses of their own. We have to import our labor from Canada, Mexico and other South American countries to get our product built. I for one don't see anything wrong with Chinese made products from American owned companies. The Klipsch speakers made overseas are every bit as good as those made here because Klipsch employees oversee production and quality control. Am I "anti-American"?...hardly. I'm a retired US Navy Commander and am as patriotic as anyone can be. I'm just a realist at the same time. I have no allegance to the past, nor does the past have any strangle hold on me.I drive an automobile made in the UK by an American car company, and a truck made in the US by a Japanese car company. Why do I drive, what I drive? Because I like them, not because of any mindless allegance to what used to be. JR

There are an awful lot of people who disparage Klipsch's move in placing the Synergy line in Best Buy. I for one think it was an act of brilliance. It allows for a wide exposure to the Klipsch name. Here is an example of how this works...this is a true story: A friend of mine who had a Polk 5.1 system with a small Yammi receiver started to gain intrest in upgrading his system. He went to CC to audition Infinity and to BB to audition JBL. While at BB he heard another customer listening to the new Synergy line and hung around to listen some more himself. He had never really heard or heard of Klipsch before. This friend knows I am an audio nut but didn't know what my system consisted of. He happened to call me for advice and asked if I ever heard of Klipsh. I answered...as a matter of fact...yes, etc etc etc. Thursday he took delivery of his new Reference 35 system (Convincing him to go reference after he heard my 7 series wasn't difficult). For those of you that still think Klipsch marketing thru BB was a dumb move, I agree, it was dumb like a fox! JR

---------------- On 2/22/2005 9:34:24 AM Mike S wrote: JewishAMerPrince' I just pulled up your system profile.....WOW! Can I come over? ---------------- Sure...anytime. I love to show off!...LOL

---------------- On 2/22/2005 2:03:25 AM Gramas701 wrote: like is said that extreme loyal base you speak of is based around the heritage line! not the quintets. And that really loyal base usually buys used heritage anyways. So explain to me how klipsch is supposed to maintain there buisness when there is about 1500 orders for new heritage a year? ---------------- I disagree completely with the statement that Klipsch loyalty is based around Heritage. I and many others I know have been avid Klipsch supporters for years and our interests are not purely limited to the Heritage line. I have owned Heritage series and a whole host of other Klipsch speakers before, and current even have a pair of CIIs and some KGs I have in a closet, but my main HT system is Reference 7 series and I eagerly await the Premiers. 20 years from now there WILL be Quints or their equaivalent. There will ALWAYS be an entry level speaker line to introduce the newbies to Klipsch. Jerry Rappaport

Here is one suggestion. Buy a pair of used RS7s on eBay or Audiogon. They DO pop up every now and then. If it works, keep them, if not, put them back on eBay or Audiogon, you will be out your shipping cost, but them again, this may be better than dealing with the 100 mile away vulture. JR

With that player one can accurately listen to all the wow and flutter present in the original master recording...lol JR

I'm not trying to rekindle this debate, but some of you may find this link interesting and informative. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=503758

---------------- On 2/13/2005 1:44:18 AM MrMcGoo wrote: Jerry, I am amazed that you have the intestinal fortitude to claim that I misled the newcomer when you have exactly the type of setup that I recommended. Takeing cheap shots at other member's equipment is not exactly the way to behave either. ---------------- The type of equipment I have has nothing to do with your misleading statement in your first post. In case you have forgotten it, I'll quote you exactly: "The problem with 7 channel amplifiers is that they have a difficult time driving all 7 channels simultaneously". This is very misleading because it flat out isn't true of most 7 channel amps, although it may be of many receivers. It takes little or no "intestinal fortitude" to call a spade a spade. As to your calling my expressing my opinion about equipment you happen to own as a "cheap shot" I think you are way off base, unless,of course, it touched a nerve somewhere. If it did, please accept my apologies, no harm intended. IMHO I do believe I have as much right as you do to express my opinions, AND my opinions about your opinions without getting attacked in a very personal way as you did above. From my perspective you seem to want to turn a debate into a cat fight because you can't admit that you oversimplified and overstated your opinion and worded it as if it were fact when you said: The problem with 7 channel amplifiers is that they have a difficult time driving all 7 channels simultaneously. As for me, I have no intention involving myself in a cat fight.

Hey guys....I had a SR900. I bought it to replace my HK tube amp driving my then AR2a speakers. I hadn't discovered Klipsch yet. It did sound better than their tube amps by a long shot. JR

To my ears the Denon sounds terrible with the RF7s, tried it last week. Typical Denon fat midrange that sounds like it has "loudness contour" on all the time. This by the way I also find true of most of the Sunfires, IMHO. If you get a chance, listen to a Rotel RSX1067 drive the RF7s ( I a/b'd it against the Denon). You'd be in for a revalation. I'm wondering why you are talking about receivers when the questionee started with a title "buying separates"? I'm sure the questionee wasn't interested in being told about ohm's law, neither was he interested in being misled.

---------------- On 2/12/2005 10:55:01 PM MrMcGoo wrote: Jerry, I do not believe that I said that the amp would blow a fuse or shut down. That's right, you did not. Your statement was that 7 channel amps (implying all of them) had difficulty driveing all channels simultaneously, period. This of course is not true of MOST 7 channel amps. It is certainly NOT true of the only 7 channel amp of those brands he has under consideration, the Outlaw 770 (nearly identical to the Sherborne 7 channel) which consists of 7 monoblock amps on a common chasis with a fully adequite power supply. I believe one shouldn't make such a cavelier statement to someone seeking advice without explaining it. With an explanation of what you were thinking now at hand, he can evaluate your position as opinion,(which is what it really is)rather than fact. The Pioneer could deafen me at full power. However, the bass is not tight and many of the background sounds are not distinct during movies. Unfortunatly, I've never heard a Pioneer ( even the elite variety) that has tight bass and good clarity driving any speaker at any impedance. I am not the only person that has this view. There is a fellow on the S&V forum that recommends a 5 and a 2 channel amp to get to 7 channels. He is one of the two resident experts over there. I'm sure you're not alone, we rarely are. I use a 5 channel and a 2 channel for two reasons. I like to listen to 2 channel music a lot, therefore why run 5 other "heaters" when not necessary. Secondly, most of the 7 channel amps that are worth their salt are real beasts and weigh too much for my glass shelves to handle.

---------------- On 2/12/2005 9:09:11 PM MrMcGoo wrote: The problem with 7 channel amplifiers is that they have a difficult time driving all 7 channels simultaneously. ---------------- Mr Magoo I'm a bit confused by that statement. I've never heard or heard of a 7 channel amp that made any channels wait while the others were being driven. If what you meant was 7 channel amps can't sustain continuous rated output simultaneously, you would be correct, although I doubt that would ever happen. You could't be in the same neighborhood, let alone the same house, let alone the same room with a decent sized amp with all channels pouring out sound in excess of 120db continuously. Just about all 7 channel amps are capable of simultaneous rated output peaks of all channels. Even so, I would be surprised if you had any eardrums left after just one peak experience like that one would be. Let me give you an example from personal experience. I have a device that measures peak current flow to my entire system. The highest peak current flow I have ever recorded was while playing Master And Commander...the cannon shots that occur frequently during the first battel occur at ear splitting SPL with my Reference 7 series in a 7000+ cu ft room. This peak current flow was 6.8 amps. Simple math (at 120 volts) tells us that the system was demanding a total of 816 watts during those peaks. If you were to subtract off the 1.3 amps for my TV and the .4 amps for my pre-pro the system amplifiers (2- 200 watter's for the mains and 5- 125watters for the center and surrounds) were drawing a total of 612 watts during those peaks. Even assuming 100% electrical efficiency, (which we all know is not possible), the combined output of all my amps was ONLY approximatly 60% of their combined delivering capacity. Of course we know that all the channels were not delivering the same power. Some were delivering more than 60% (but I doubt that it was 100%) and some were delivering less based on the program material. By the way, the first time I played that scene, a picture fell off the wall, helped of course by 900 watts of SVS subwoofer power. Do you still believe that ANYONE would need an amplifier capable of delivering rated power continuously from all channels? With Klipsch high efficiency speakers this will likely never, ever happen. Jerry Rappaport

jpm May be a little low powered for the RF7s but I really enjoy my Cambridge Audio Azur 640A integrated with my Chorus IIs. The Azur 640C is my CDP, natch.

---------------- On 2/6/2005 5:33:54 PM ottscay wrote: P.S. I've been told that Denon recievers are a bit bright for Klipsch speakers as well; I haven't owned one, so I don't know, but I thought I'd pass the warning along. Anyone have personal experience? ---------------- I wouldn't call Denon receivers bright at all, in fact if anything Denon tweaks their receivers to sound overly warm an full, and therefore more powerful. Sort of like the old "loudness contour" setting that used to be popular in stero amps and receivers, except with no way to defeat it. JR

Separates begin in quality (and price) at the point where high end receivers end. There is some overlap. When comparing with a more run-of-the-mill everyday receiver, say something in the $500-$1000 range, there is no comparison. Of course the commitment of $$ is much greater with a stack of separates.

What was seen at CES was probably not an upgraded RF7 but the soon to be introduced Reference Primere line. This is an entire new "line" of speakers and are based on a 3 way design, ellipseoid cabinets in exotic wood finishes. Pricing will be considerably above the 7 series references AND the THXs. JR

Yup...that's for sure. Hey, you didn't say anything about the "feel' of the remote. I have mine in front of me right now...quite a quality piece. JR

---------------- On 2/3/2005 5:16:53 PM jpm wrote: I'm not one of those guys that spends money foolishly. I'm also not one to spend a bunch on a piece of gear and then swear up and down it sounds tons better (if in fact it really sounds no different.) I kid you not, dumping my Japanese CDP was the best move since upgrading from the RF35's to the RF7's. Later ---------------- That's something we all understand. We own Klipsch after all, probably the best value in Hi-Fi speakers. Enjoy...as I'm sure you will. JR