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When asking BB store, see if it is in stock or storage, the VC 25 a VS 14's I got were not on the show room floor and they deep discounted them to get a quick sell. The KC 25 will work although the woofer is different. You will not be using it for it bass respone so I do not think you will hear any noticeable difference concerning timber matching.

You might try to search some BB store individually. I brought mine's a couple of months ago. Buy all the V series stuff now why some of it is still available. I like the sound quality for music and HT. A good sub is a must! I think the V series sounds better than the new K series but is slightly lest in the power handeling department, which is really not an issues.

Buy all the V series stuff now while it is relatively easy to find. The V series is discontinued and can be found at a great price. Some BB still have the VC 25, VS 14 and Vann's has the towers. Since I have the whole V series, I set my X-over at 100 due to the VS 14's low frequency extentsion of 92 Hz. The system sounds great and has good off axis response. It lends itself well to music and movies. A good sub is a must!

Mustang, you are correct, the tv audio is PCM and dose not give me the option of sending the signal as dolby. I can use the ALC (auto level control) on the recieve, this allow me to rasie or lowe an effect function that affect stereo listening. I will toy around with this receiver some more, lol. This volume difference is not neccessarily a problem, but I like understanding my system so that I can get the most out of it[^o)].

I notice when I watch cable tv that the volume for comfortable listening is different than when I am playing music. I use -30 for tv. Blue-ray, dvd, internet radio, and music (cd/mp3) I get a similar volume at -40-50. Is this a normal finding? I use multiple channels for tv and music.

This has been a very informative discussion and I would like to give thanks to everyone who participated, for the their comments and shared information. This type of discussionis is a must read for other newcomers to HT and 2 Channel Audio. This knowledge is invaluable for making upgrades and purchasing decisions on speaker, audio equipment and home theater construction. I now have a better understanding of the role of power amps, speaker selection and the limitation of a given system. Now I understand how the RF 83 mentioned in my original post was damaged, even though it has a great power handeling capacity, RMS 250W/1200W peak. The damaged was caused by over excrusion of the drive/cone or heat. It may have been a combination of both of these factors and a expensive lesson to learn regarding power management. Here is a little clip from the above link in one of the post. Secrets of Amplifier and Speaker Power Requirements Revealed But things begin to change, and rather dramatically. Let's push the M80ti's to what we might experience from a solo grand piano, 109 dB. We're at 96 dB with 10 watts per channel. Let's go to 106 dB. So that requires 10 x 10, or 100 watts. Close, but not quite there yet. Just 3 dB more. Remember, we have to double the power for a 3-dB increase in sound level. So 100 watts becomes 200 watts. Yikes! Our receiver has only 110 watts maximum output! We've run out of amplifier power! And what about the rock concert? Let's lower our expectations and aim for 119 dB. Going from 109 dB SPL, which needs 200 watts per channel, to 119 dB SPL (get out your ear plugs) is another 10-dB jump and--you do the math--that requires 10 x 200, or 2,000 watts per channel! [Y]

l Thanks for the link on SPL Calculations. The temporary threshold shift I think most of us have experienced this firsthand. A key point to draw from that article is respect your hearing and consider what is an appropiate levels of loudness. This will protect your hearing and your equipment. I think, I will take this adivce, so that I don't have to keep getting louder systems; I just cannot afford the Palladium Series, lol.

I have a fairly simple question with a more complex answer. How many watts of power am I using when I listen to my system at -30 db or at reference level? I keep hearing that the Klipsch speakers are so effiecient and it does not require as much power to drive them. I see a lot of members use power amps to increase the headroom for their systems. I recently seen on the forum where a member damaged a RF 83 rated 250W RMS/ 1000W Peak. He had the speaker attached to a power amp and fried the voice coil or caused physical damage from playing the speaker to loud. Those are much better speakers than I have and my speakers get very loud. My speakers are not even close to the rated power handeling load of the RF 83's.I have ran across post where some people are saying they are only using 20-40 watts of power for normal listening with there speakers. I know in general larger speakers are more efficient and lounder at a given avr setting than a smaller speaker. I would like to hear some other members take on this issue. I am a newbie to the forum and consider this as part of my learning process. Let's not consider the Heritage line of speaker in this discussion; they seem to be in a separate category when discussing power issues.

Thanks mustang, I turned the LEF in the avr for zero to minus 10 and turned the x-over to 180. This improved the fidenity of the sound. The overall volume stayed the same! This will be nicer for jazz and classical music.

I am fairly new to the forum and welcome the opinion of other member and thank you for your comments. I tried the LPF as high as it would go and like it set lower. I have not tried disableing it and letting the avr do all the work. I will try this for music, HT is not a problem since I am not looking for the same type of fidelity which I notice more with music. I will let you know how this works and thanks for the advice.

This is a great deal for newcomers to HT and a great step- up form HTIB or lesser quality brands at that price. I have the icon V series paired up with a Pioneer SC 35 and the sound for music and HT is excellent. The V series as a quick respone and fidelity for music. My HT is paired up with a 15in sub and I have all the bass one could want. I broke a glass shit on a nearby shelf today pushing the systen to reference level for the first time today. I think I need an isolation board for the sub, lol.The Pioneer MCACC has such great control of room acoustics that I do not see it has overkill for the speakers. I got the avr for less than half price new. Due to the power of the avr, no need for an amp. I did audition the RF series and which is slightly more refine and definetly more power, but for the difference in cost, I choose the Icon series.

My recommendation were made on the assumption you still have the RB 35s'.

I wonder if you moved the front height speakers to the back and the and put the RB 51 on stands for your front stage. I think the stronger speaker should be in the front. More sounds and dialogue is in the front stage for movies, and the rears and, surrounds are for effects. This will also work better for music.

You can always use the small speakers for a while until you can talk the wife into letting you spend more money, lol. Just be careful not to push things to hard and set your x-over based on the quintets frequency reponse (120-150 Hz) and use the sub for now.

I have no experience with the Quintet series. I do have the Klipsch HT 500 and it is a really nice satellite system. The sub is also great. Because I will be upgrading my system, I will need to part with my HT 500 set in the near future.

No, I do not listen at reference level because it will eventually kill my hearing, lol. As far as getting rid of the boomy sound from the bass, that is why it is recommend to set all the speakers to small. The crossover control for the receiver is digital in most case and analog at the speakers. Digital is faster than analog so phase problems occur when setting your mains to large for some rooms. Also the LFE is a separate channel in your system and also handles the bass from the other speakers. Some people think the LFE channel is the same as bass and this is not entirely true. The LFE channel carries frequenceis below 120 Hz. What helps, especially with music is to turn down the crossover on the subwoofer down. Some bass is directional above 60 Hz. Also turning up the crossover on the sub to 180 or all the way to the max can cause some midrange to also be sent to the sub. Remember this is AV sicence, so time to do some tinkering. Room placement is a critical factor, that why some people are better off with one sub and not multiple sub. If you use more than one sub, that is why people recommend using two identical sub to help with phase issues. Also changeing settings to far from autocalibration will throw the system off balance and using to loud a volume.

Hello, I also own the V serie and really like there performance for HT and music. I have mine paired up with and Acoustic Audio 15in. sub. It sound great. I like this sub over my Klipch 10 in sub and it is under $300. I don't think there are many better subs in that price range. Reviews are on the Blue-ray forumn.

I am new to the forumn and have not heard a Khorn or the Heritage line. But, I know they are highly chersied by Klipsch owners. Those are beautiful and I can just imagine the sound! Congratulation!!

The F 20 may work in your system and leave a little extra money to go for a sub or Pioneer avr. I like the Pioneer's because power is not an issue and the autocalibration is excellent for room correction. For HT a good sub is a must to enjoy the bangs and explosions. It will also make music listening more enjoyable. Since center channel dialogue is a problem in a lot of HT, I think the F 20 may work better due to slightly lower volume in your front stage . Symmetry and balance is the key to a good HT. Good luck and enjoy the tweek and experimentation to get the sound that please you.

I like the bookshelf choices. The W and X series are really classy and look nice. They pair up well with a sub and will sound great. The R series may be a little fuller in sound and also look nice. Pick one, you can't go wrong. The room seems a bit small for towers.

Yes, these speakers are very crisp and clear. I certainly enjoy my music much more since I purchased the V series. You will never find brand new Klipsch at these prices. It is a great deal at these closeout prices. I am glad to here from othe V series people and seeing how they setup their system. But, they need a sub to complete the setup for improved performance.

I demo the K series for close to a month and the the V series which i kept. The K series is slighly louder but no improved quality in sound and the V's were so much cheaper. I can go up a db or 2 and saved a ton of money. I really like my V series in a 9.1 setup. Pioneer Eleite SC 35 Klipsch VF 35 mains Klipsch VS 14 Front Height Klipsch VS 14 surrounds Klipsch VB 15 surround back Klipsch VC 25 center AA RW15 sub

Nice speakers, when I first read about the Icon Series, Klipsch's describe the W series as classic beauty with great performance. The Icon X was said to be contempory beauty and great performance and the V series as value driven performance. Due to the size of the Icon series, subs are needed to help get the full range of bass. Enjoy their sound and visual presence!

That is what the Front Height speaker do, work kinda as an extra presence speaker for the mains. Only if a movie is encoded for front height's will you get it's own special effects. Some other blue-rays will localizetu certain parts of a movie to the height channel if your system can make use of the spatial imaging data encoded in the movie. But, Front Height channel will give you more of an effect than the rear surround backs. I did not think that I would like it so much, but now it is one of my favorite movie modes.

I use front height speaker and have used bookshelf and the wide dispersion speakers for that purpose. They both work well for front height. Personally I like the wide dispersion speakers due to asthetic, and since they are for adding a vertical dimension to the front stage. The should not be to powerful compared the your mains. I really like my 9.1 setup for movies. The setup plays well to the wide array of blue-ray and dvd formats.