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BigBusa Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring!! It's time you got a new fiddle! I only bothered to do this as - you seem to need conflict to keep your interest alive. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Err... Uhm What brand of polish do y'all use... I'm thinkin of buying a couple gallons ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

I will not risk being labelled as being preachy or teachy by attempting a comprehensive definition Keep up the good work William F. Gil McDermott! Y'All keep on Pendantin' ! I find your posts very informative and If I sometimes find you a little hard to follow - It's my job to figger it out "My own self" or to ask more questions. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

discusman Yes the Wave 8's are indeed very inexpensive. They are manufactured in China and imported into North America by Divergent Technologies which is located in Kitchener Ontario. I auditioned them at The Audio Room in Calgary and the little b*ggers blew me away. I ultimately decided to go with the AQ1003DT because I lacked a preamp and by the time I bought the Waves and a preamp I would have been spending only about C$200 less than the cost of the AQ which has more power and which better suited the physical setup in my listening room,(decent size room but very limited shelving space). The Wave 8 was originally called the AV 8. There are a few reviews available on the net under these names. There are not a lot of dealers around but they can be purchased from dealers in both the U.S. and Canada or directly from the distributor. I got the name of my dealer by sending an email to Divergent. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

First even though my wife says I am a know it all I have to admit that I do not know diddly about surround sound receivers etc. but.... I would be inclined to suggest that you begin by using a tube amp for straight 2 channel sound and if you like the result you can expand from there. I like the ASL line and use an AQ1003 with a pair of KLF30's. I am sure that there are many other comparable units in the same general price range. It occurs to me that a reasonable approach might be to buy a pair of ASL Wave 8 monoblocks and use your present control amp. If you like the sound then you could later use them to drive your surrounds and buy something along the lines of the 1003 to drive your fronts. On the other hand if you found that the Waves weren't your "cuppa" you'd only be out a couple of hundred bucks and you would have a pair of mono's that you could easily sell on Ebay for about 65% of your cost. All in all an inexpensive way to test the tubophile waters. About "Burn-in" I am still unconvinced about break-in regarding speakers as I used my KLF's for several months and they sounded glorious the first time I fired them up and stayed that way until I treated them to my 1003 at which point they sounded even better. I have now been using my 1003 for a few months and NOW I am beginning to suspect that there is more than a grain of truth to the idea that some audio components improve with use. FWIW I have noticed that my system sounds smoother and more satisfying lately and I seem to have less need to ramp up the volume in order to "Hear" the performance. It may well be that tubes sound somewhat better after some use but it is also undeniably true that at some point the sound quality of any tube will begin to deteriorate as the cathode ages. I think it is going to be a hell of a ride between start and finish and anyway I've a spare set of tubes. Given that a set of output tubes treated with a little consideration should last between 3000-5000 hours of use, I think I will just listen and to hello with worrying about using them up! ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

For detailed product information and pricing on the Antique Sound Lab product line take a look at http:\\www.divertech.com ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE) This message has been edited by lynnm on 12-18-2001 at 11:21 PM

I have auditioned the ASL Wave 8's and was impressed to say the least. I ultimately decided on the AQ1003DT at U$ 749 but only because the AQ had a somewhat stronger bottom end. In fairness to the Waves you have to bear in mind that the AQ is literally 4 times as powerful. I should also point out that the Waves were stronger on the bottom end than some more expensive amplifiers which are priced substantially higher than the AQ. In summation - Are the Waves a good deal? - You betcha Bubba! ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE) This message has been edited by lynnm on 12-18-2001 at 09:01 PM

I have an Antique Sound Lab AQ1003DT which uses 4 El34 O/P tubes and is rated for 30 w/ch RMS and operates in class A mode. The amplifier's documentation gives no specs. re: recommended Bias voltage even though there is provision for easy adjustment. What are the advantages/disadvantages of increasing/decreasing the Bias voltage and what values would you recommend? The driver stage for this unit uses a pair of 12AU7's per channel,(JJ AKA Tesla). The amp is working beautifully with my KLF30's - so there is no problem to fix. I am simply trying to establish the optimum values for my system. Any advice would be welcome. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Seems a little harsh to me - Couldn't Y'all just face them into a corner fer a day or tew?? ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

DOH!! ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

This post would likely get more responses in the computing forum but I suggest that there is nothing that would happen in your Mac that would cause bubbles to occur on the faceplate of your monitor. The 2 most likely causes would be a manufacturing defect or damage to the anti-glare coating. If the monitor is still under warranty you might look into having the monitor replaced.The other possibility is that the anti-glare coating on the face of the monitor has been damaged either as the result of improper cleaning or as the result of the anti-glare coating having been damaged by being hit by some object and scratched. If the latter is the case there is little if anything that can be done about it. The safest method of cleaning a computer screen: The best cleaner for the monitor is a measuring cup of lukewarm water with a couple of drops of Simple Green or liquid dishwashing detergent in it. Apply the solution to a soft cloth,wring the cloth and wipe the face with that. Do not spray the solution directly on the screen. Dry the face with a soft lint-free cloth.) ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE) This message has been edited by lynnm on 12-09-2001 at 07:48 PM

Screw the match issues - Those Things Are Gorgeous! Hell I'd buy them just to add some class to my living room. - Congratulations on your purchase. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Nice setup! How are things working out with your tube amps? Are they showing any evidence of overheating? ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Yes BigBusa that was a joke. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Peace treaty accepted and signed ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Mike I have no problem with BigBusa or anyone else being PO'd with Klipsch. What I do object to is the guy's incessant ranting about an issue that does not really apply to him. He does not even own a set of 5.1's and has made it clear that he has no intention of obtaining them. It is not unreasonable for a non-user to comment on equipment. It is unreasonable,however to rant and rave endlessly. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

BigBusa SHEEEESH!! Enough already. You admit you don't even own a set of 5.1's and then have the gall to complain incessantly about the quality of the speakers. The number of posts in the forum does seem to indicate that there are issues and further that the folks at Klipsch have not been bending over backwards to advertise the fact - GET A GRIP. I am sure they are trying to sort out the problems -as well they should. They are not however under any obligation to persuade potential customers not to purchase their products. If you must bytch and whine go haunt some other site. Can you spell Troll boys and girls? Yes Timmy? OK lets hear it. B-I-G-B-U-S-A.BAD Timmy BAD we do not discuss that body part in polite society! Now apologise to Mr. Troll! ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Let us know how it turns out. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Further mucking about W/O test equipment has resulted in my moving my right speaker about 18" closer to the left speaker and the soundstage seems tighter without any tendency toward creating a left speaker/right speaker effect. Thus when sounds that are recorded/produced/intended to be perceived to be coming from the extremes of the sound stage are heard as coming from the extremes. I do not question the value of measurements but given that we all have major differences in how each of our ears respond to various audible sounds - the best I can offer is that one should strive to find the speaker placement that is most sonically pleasing to ourselves and accept that no test instrument can ever be designed to account for the infinite variety of our individual reception equipment. Test instruments however can very definitely assist us in that approximating the optimal placement which we can tweak according to our needs. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

The manual for your receiver should specify the minimum nominal impedance rating of the speaker system(s) that may be connected. Do not connect speakers or combinations that are below that minimum! Speaker systems connected to both the A and B outputs will be connected in parallel and the nominal impedance will be reduced. I forget the exact formula....(R1*R2)/(R1+R2)<?>... but the practical result is that if 2 sets of speakers have a nominal impedance of 8 ohms and are connected in parallel then the result is that the amplifier will "see" an impedance of 4 ohms. Similarly if 2 pair of 4 ohm speakers are connected in that way the impedance drops to 2 ohms and so on. The important thing to observe is that if the impedance is too low then the amplifier can be presented with the equivalent of a short circuit and serious damage can result to the amplifier and possibly to the speakers. Typicallly the power output of an amplifier increases as the effective impedance load decreases. This is why you often see amplifiers with specifications like 100w./ch into 8 ohms - 200w./ch into 4 ohms. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE) This message has been edited by lynnm on 12-04-2001 at 09:00 PM

Here is a description lifted from the "Tweeter" site: The two 8" Cerametallic woofer cones are lighter, stronger and better damped than commonly used cone materials. Cerametallic is a specially treated aluminum that has been anodized, or electro-chemically transformed into ceramic on both outer surfaces. Similar to the motor of the large compression driver, powerful, video-shielded 28oz. magnets drive these woofers allowing for precise signal tracking without blurring the sound. Aesthetically, the unmistakable copper color of our Cerametallic cones gives the RF-5 its distinctive Klipsch Reference look. Run a search on Google for more detail. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Have you made sure that the problem is actually with the speaker and not with your amplifier. If you are certain that the speaker is the problem: I would not assume that the driver itself is dying. The problem is more likely a loose connection either on the midrange driver or at the crossover. Take the back off of the Corny and take a boo. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

I would not assume that the driver itself is dying. The problem is more likely a loose connection either on the midrange driver or at the crossover. Take the back off of the Corny and take a boo. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Basically the high efficiency of horn loudspeakers means they can make a hello of a loud sound without the need for a large signal input. Regardless of the underlying technology however a lousy signal into a horn speaker will result in a very loud output of lousy sound. I do not subscribe to the "Tubes are Good and Solid State is Bad Theology" but I will say that in most cases I do prefer the listening experience created by a good tube amplifier paired with a good horn loaded speaker system. There are many excellent tube based amplifiers available and on average they are more expensive than solid state amps of similar power. That said, horn loaded loudspeakers do not require a lot of power to generate very high sound pressure levels. Thus I can recommend tube amps to users of horn loaded speakers whereas I would hesitate to recommend most tube amps to owners of low efficiency speakers. That said excellent tube powered amplifiers are available at reasonable prices. My own amp is an Antique Sound Lab AQ1003DT,( Class A 30W/ch. integrated which sells for U$749.00) and I am aware of amplifiers available in the U.S. with similar specifications and at similar cost. ASL even offers a monoblock rated at 8 watts for 99.00 U.S. http://www.divertech.com/antiquesl.html Another line to look into for high end performance at a rock bottom price would be Jolida. There others out there as well. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)

Kachang..Rumble..krumpf (sound of bomb shelter door being secured) I suspect that not everyone will agree and have taken the precautions noted above: The only thing that consecutive serial numbers ordinarily guarantees is that a given pair of speakers were manufactured during the same production cycle. Even speakers with consecutive numbers are subject to the minor manufacturing irregularities and inconsistencies which occur in the normal course of business as are speakers of the same type which are are built days or even weeks apart. All else being equal - Yes I would,if presented with a choice between two sets of speakers in which all units were in pristine condition, choose the consecutively numbered units - If only because there are people out there who obsess about such trivia and therefore my resale prospects might be enhanced. That said,I would never choose a consecutively numbered pair that was in inferior condition over a better pair whose serial numbers were not consecutively numbered. Weasel Word Section The exception to the above might occur should the serial numbers be far enough apart as to result in one speaker being in some important respect different, (because of design or driver changes,for example) to its mate. Contrary to what I noted in the earlier part of this post consecutive Serial Numbers would pretty much rule that out. All in all however I do not see this as a terribly likely or frequent problem. ------------------ It is meet to recall that the Great Green Heron rarely flies upside down in the moonlight - (Foo Ling ca. 1304 BCE)