Dave A
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23 minutes ago, ODS123 said:
The AudioSource AMP100? ..No, not something I own that you haven't heard. Please recommend something you (or another gold-ear in the thread) has heard w/ Klipsch speakers that was so bad, so awful, so offensive, that you would call it ear-shredding? ..What? Pyle? Crown? Behringer? Onkyo? Pioneer? Please.... Even an AVR would be fine. I'm sure Best Buy sells a handful of such components . If not, then I'll get it online from Sweetwater or B&H, etc..
You done went an made ODS NPC right mad Dean. Now you get to hear about it for the next 6 pages.
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On occasion there are little lead objects that help prepare them for the oven.
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On 12/27/2018 at 6:42 PM, Thaddeus Smith said:
It's all about the source material. You can't fix crap.
Amen to that. Got a music library in from a guy I know and most of the albums were 70 to 80mb. Spent time with Audacity trying to make it sound good but most are just going to get deleted as hopeless.
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48 minutes ago, Don Richard said:
Religion? Blind testing protocols aren't "religion", which implies blind faith. These sorts of tests are scientifically designed to remove biases and emotion in order to reveal the truth. Some people, when faced with the reality that they can't hear a difference between expensive equipment and a less expensive component, exhibit an emotional response; "This cannot be - the test is flawed" or "So all amplifiers sound the same? Bullshit". Of course, the test is not flawed and only the two pieces of gear that were tested are proven to sound the same.
Interesting point. In manufacturing there is something known as tolerance stack up. It means that all the little within 1% or 5% or even 10% tolerance things add up and when bad enough even though it passes inspection it is not as good as one that was say 1% tolerance or less all the way through. On any given piece of gear especially with electrolytic capacitors and inductors if they use 10% tolerance that is + and - so variance can be significant and still get out the door. I have a hand full of .1mh air coils here and all of them even though the claim was for modern tight tolerances test 5 to10% out.
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Funny thing about welfare bums. The more you feed them the more there are that show up.
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OK here is the pair. The plywood on the crossovers has the top ply picking out on places. Otherwise what you see is the condition on all sides and these have not been dropped nor under serious abuse that I can see. Cabinets are dirty but in very good condition. Last two pics are examples of Dave not being able to control himself when the ogre of used speakers rears his ugly head. With the S-MWM's coming I am going to start cleaning out some of this. I promise as a New Years resolution to not buy more fixers until what I have here is fixed. I have some Altec A-7's that are good project speakers and if you are interested PM me. I may decide not to complete them and just sell off what I have as is.
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6 hours ago, FarmerBob said:
I had 4 of the originals flown in my loft/warehouse. Changed out the bass drivers with Cetec-Gauss. Blew the Klipsh first time out. Used Crown power.
My new theater is designed to use 3 side by side. I hope the latest ones sound as good.
That's a grab and run.
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I think a big part of the problem with pro gear being blown up is the 20amp fuses Klipsch sent out with their speakers. They did this because field techs complained about changing fuses in hard to get to places so they and Klipsch decided the right way would be to make sure you controlled output electronically. Some sound guys would load them up more and more as the crowd shouted louder and then the inevitable happened.
I can only imagine the volume levels you are dealing with.
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10 hours ago, Woofers and Tweeters said:
I can't wait to hear the Super MCM. Rather than go on about what I think, I will say, again, what the seller told me: ~ The MCM make the LaScala sound like bookshelf speakers. I agree. It's only when I am in a self-destructive mood do I use more than 1 watt.
GLWS
Had to laugh re-reading your comment this morning. Had a guy over to buy other speakers and of course everyone wants to hear the big boys when we are done with the speakers they came to see. Had them at what I thought was a moderate level and we were talking without struggling to do so. He had a db ap on his iPhone and with surprise on his face he showed me 98db. It is just so effortless you are up there in db before you know it. I probably need to get a db meter just to protect myself and I bet I play louder than I think.
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6 hours ago, teaman said:
Wow Dave, $2500 seems like a steal. I hope someone in here grabs them.
For the price you pay and the sound you get nothing beats vintage pro IF you can find them. I recently picked up four complete sets of KPT-456's and two were gone before I got back home with them and the others will probably sell without being listed at all to standing orders for those. Going to EBay in a couple of weeks after I finish the S MWM set and it will be more there.
If you have never heard a set of these and get a chance to don't turn it down. I stop to listen to these every day unless I am out of pocket.
One thing I do ask with these to anyone interested is that you preserve the set. I can't make you do it but I am asking you to because these are getting quite scarce and are the pinnacle of what Klipsch made years ago. In it's day you could buy no better speaker and today you can only beat it with Klipsch current top of the line cinema speaker systems.
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33 minutes ago, Frzninvt said:
Your missing the cone midrange section to complete the stack.
Klipsch sold these in two basic versions. This is one and complete and the other added an additional mid range horn for extreme output. So basically the stacks came in three and four piece configurations. The other notable variation is the tweeter assembly could have either a stack of five piezo drivers, not good, or a four way manifold with K-77-M drivers which was the best one.
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51 minutes ago, richieb said:
=== May I ask —
- the pic is one of two ?
- they require electronic (active) covers ?
Thanks
The picture is one of two. They have OEM Klipsch passive crossovers if that is what you are asking. One 2 channel amp runs it all.
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1 minute ago, Tizman said:
Do you mean in the speaker crossovers, amps or CD players?
Oh he can talk about any of them he wishes. I figure it would be, ah well lets just say amusing.
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1 hour ago, ZEUS121996 said:
Price?
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$2500. They are available any time and as jwc asked there will be pictures in a day or so.
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1 hour ago, jwc said:
Picture please
It will be a day or two since I have to clean it off. The junk on them that is since the valuable dust will go with them. I do have one picture though.
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1 hour ago, Woofers and Tweeters said:
I can't wait to hear the Super MCM. Rather than go on about what I think, I will say, again, what the seller told me: ~ The MCM make the LaScala sound like bookshelf speakers. I agree. It's only when I am in a self-destructive mood do I use more than 1 watt.
GLWS
The only thing that will beat this is another one with the newer horns on it as far as I am concerned. Unless you are building an SMWM and then sticking a horn on that.
You have to admit those La Scalas make nice book shelf speakers though.
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This has the K-77 tweeter setup and not the piezo's. It has a Klipsch OEM crossover which has been recapped. This is in great shape except for the theater and shop dust which goes free with the stacks. I want to make space for my upcoming Super MWM build and will no longer need these. If you have the space these are beyond superb and once you hear a set of these you too will be ruined for life. PM me regarding these.
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Hey ODS123, did those testers make any recommendations regarding what capacitors to use in their setup? I know those can make a big difference in how the amp sounds.
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I know you are space restricted so if you are interested I can sell you my small MCM 1900 set. I think I am going to need that space real soon ;D
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1 hour ago, ODS123 said:
I believe this to be a myth. As I said before, my Cornwall IIIs sound exactly the same to me and everyone in my family regardless of whether they're being driven by my Mac amp (replete w/ anachronistic autoformers) my Onkyo AVR or my $130 AudioSource AMP100.
This "house sound" notion makes me wonder: Who at Onkyo, NAD, Cambridge Audio, etc.. etc... serves as the Master Sound Sommelier? Who is charged with tuning tweaking, adjusting the tone, texture, nuance of the sound ALL WITHOUT HAVING an actual measurable effect on the signal? ..So how do they do this?? And how does one MSS pass the "house sound" recipe to the next MSS when this nuanced house sound isn't quantifiable, measurable, or even describable?
Years ago I had an NAD 7250PE receiver and was given my fathers 7240PE receiver which was 4 years newer.. I opened both up and noticed how each had parts from different sources. ..Parts that said Sanyo on one were Toshiba on the other (I may be misremembering the exact brands but they were different). ..Like every part that had a name, it was different on the other! I wonder how "House Sound" is preserved despite the fact that different parts are being used form one generation product to another.
If you agree with me you are smart. If you don't you are not even though I refuse to research what you say. OD = NPC = BEEP BEEP BOOP BOOP
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Hi Fi Buys had no Klipsch the day I was there. I would have kept those Jubes too. Star Wars was pretty awesome.
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5 hours ago, Fault said:
In terms of something that blew me away, is AMCs Dolby theaters. Not sure if you're familiar with them, but to be that's like pinnacle film watching. Obviously their setup is astronomically expensive, which i know that, but the power of those speakers is what I truly want to emulate.
Well you will never find Pro gear in stores. I run KPT-456's and my daily listener is an MCM 1900 so I applaud your decision making process. The Pro gear has far more presence than all the rest. Budget is a relative thing and to some $16,000++ is reasonable. I am a cheap skate and like hunting for good old Pro gear. KPT 902 and 456 show up at times and take up just a bit more space than Cornwalls and have that sound and physical impact you are seeking.
My personal favorite (based on systems you are likely to be able to find and getting systems like the MCM 1900 is next to impossible and much larger.) is the systems which use the bass bin found in the KPT 902 and 456 and KP-450. They turn up on occasion for $500 to say $1,600 for a set and they will blow you away.
If I were buying new I would run past the consumer Klipsch department and go right to the Theater systems and get the KPT-904 or even better the KPT-942. Third would be Jubilees. Cory is a good guy to deal with for new theater systems.
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10 hours ago, Fault said:
Live in SE Michigan, about 40 min North of Detroit. I'm starting to lean towards maybe getting PA speakers, getting that extra umpfh.
There are a number of Klipsch forum guys in your area. Keep posting so this floats to the top and they will find you. Or start a new post requesting people in your area get in touch if they are willing to have you stop in. Most will be.
You say PA. You mean Pro gear?
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Hey Claude, Festool tracksaw on the way and picking up lumber next Monday. Are you ready for this?
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On 12/28/2018 at 4:50 PM, ODS123 said:
Again, you guys want something to snub your noses at others over b/c they don't have something you do. I find that to be unfortunate and strange.
Quote from a famous audio philosopher. Beep Boop
Advice for Beginners - consider this test from an audio club
in General Klipsch Info
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This is the most amusing thread I have ever read here. In between some snippets of information we have long digressions into opinion some of which are based on experience and some on I am always right because I am. Destined to set perhaps one of the highest read counts in a long time and all started by one hive mind NPC who knows because he knows and you don't, just ask him.