Dave A

Oh man I goofed up when I took those off??? And the cute little .1uf box things on the motor caps. Don't forget those now. Or never recovered from it. And that is why you need this in hand to delve into. Admit it you are hooked.

I am curious about that too since that is one of the claimed protections for pro gear.

There is no doubt about that. I can do that comparison today in my shop and those 201's and older KP-250's with the K-42 woofers are the best for me, not the K-42-KP sound really musical over the stock Heresy..

Yep and we shoot Bambi and Thumper and Chip and Dale and Tom Turkey here and eat them too. Had 17 of Tom's girlfriends in the yard this morning. I am an active member of PETA or People Eating Tasty Animals. Stop in for a listen here in flyover country and have a Hickory smoked Deer burger guaranteed not to have any artificial anything in it range fed on my 56 acres of carbon sink forest and have a glass of real water from my cave spring without those big city additives. Forgot to mention no soy burgers though so be warned ahead of time.

Stuff happens quick. Worked once with a guy who did not respect shapers in a carpentry setup. Those 3" knives at 30000 rpm are invisible except at the hub. Three fingered Jim was his name.

Nope I let my mechanical slave do that while I listen to music. Sometimes I sit there in silence mesmerized by the mill while I ponder witty things I can say.

You mean hijack the hijack?

🙄 He is not talking about just volume which is only part of the equation. Research speaker headroom for explanations.

Those motor caps look like the ones Bob used to sell and i figure they will measure good. Air cores are common use Klipsch values so there are worthwhile parts here.

Say I have two. One for each of you guys. I can wait for the schematics.

Klipsch the best music your neighbors will ever hear :D My nearest neighbor is about an 1/8 of a mile away through the woods. He shoots lots of guns and I shoot guns and play big speakers and we all get along just fine.

I think you can order these in raw birch too and if so I have used satin spar polyurethane on birch and it looks really good. I believe they can be ordered without handles and corner guards to or at least this used to be an option.

I guess the best way to describe the difference is presence. While the specs may say the same hz range somehow the pro gear makes it more authoritative. Another thing I would say is the Klipsch pro stuff here has the ability to be more source neutral and give you better sound in a wider area left to right. Basically it's sweet spot can be larger. And finally they seem to overwhelm bad a acoustic environment better. These are my opinions and have not been scientifically measured to be so here but it is what my ears tell me. And if you like louder they do that too and maintain the exacting fidelity there also. I find over time I listen at lower average levels though.

I have tried giving these JBL's to anyone with a church and nope. Bought these EAW's and stuck $400+ in them for B&C mid drivers and even now at around 200 below my actual cost they are still here. I knock the price down $20 every other day or so as I want this reminder of serious mental deficiencies gone. Sometime in January if this persists you can come and get them EAW FR235T and JBL AC 2212 95

Better go re-read what he stated.

Great I have some JBL and EAW's for you. When can I schedule pickup?

Ah, you are aware that Bonehead is the chief speaker designer for Klipsch the company aren't you?

How important is that question to you? Klipsch Pro dealers are hard to find but there are probably more pro gear owners close to you than you might believe. This forum is an excellent place to start that search and I value opinions here far more than going to stores and asking sales people. If you were here today we could do side by side comparisons of an upgraded Chorus I, Heresy I, Forte II, KP-301, KP-250+KP-115, KP-450, KP-201, MCM 1900 and cheezy EAW and JBL boat anchor stuff I am probably never going to get rid of. I have some beater LSI's from the Oak Ridge Boys here too that look terrible but sound decent. There are people in your neck of the woods that have all kinds of stuff you just don't know them. I went through the same process and for years never considered the pro stuff because it was least talked about. Cornwall and KHorn and La Scala and Forte and Heresy was I bet 95% of all the conversation I saw for a long time. I bought that fiberglass covered LSI because it was offered to me not because I sought it out. Once I had it and fixed the bad K-43 and recapped the crossover it was WOW this sounds much better than those La Scala's did. That got me thinking and then I started to work my way up that food chain as things became available and I can assure you I spent money and time like many do to find out rather than go and hear all these things first. But the journey is fun too and you get to meet good people along the way so it's all good.

KP456 smaller footprint than KHorn and very close to Cornwall and la Scala so size is not limiting here. So in other words you have not heard any of these Pro speakers. Why are you so adamant against something you have not heard in person?

The very best set of speakers ever in my shop are the current MCM 1900's at any level. KPT-456's are second. Have you actually heard any of these better Klipsch Pro speakers to base your opinion on? I have gone through Cornwall I and II, Forte I and II, Chorus I and II and Heresy I and II and La Scalas in my shop. All of them had re-capped crossovers and drivers checked for function to make sure they were performing well. Some like a current set of Chorus I's I have were recapped and had my MAHL tweeter with DE120 put in and sound noticeably better than stock. Same for LSI and La Scalas. I have talked with others who have owned the Belle and KHorns (the only traditional Vintage I have not owned) and some of the same Pro gear I have had so we can share experiences with a common reference point. My comments are based on actual possession and use and not conjecture. What are yours based on? You want true hi fidelity get a set of MCM's and listen to a good copy of Bach Cello and hear for the first time all the detail of a stringed instrument. They excel at low volume playback with any genre I have. The 456's are right behind. The best La Scala and one that made me hesitate before I sold it was an LSI fiberglass and AL trim covered with a recapped AA crossover, a K-55-V soldered lug mid drivers and my MAHL tweets with the DE120 in them. That is the only one that came close to my better Pro gear and it happened to also be Pro version but closer to vintage traditional stuff than my other Pro speakers are. This current Chorus I is pretty awesome but required work to get there and it is pretty inferior to the MCM all things considered. Go find some to listen to and you will change your mind. If you are at all close to Middle Tennessee at some point in time stop in and hear for yourself, my door is open for fellow Klipsh users.

Oh I agree it is not now but the Klipsch descriptor on the front of the base says it started out as one. No that is floating in space at one end. I wonder if Dean could help me figure out where it is supposed to go?

I am not sure I am that brave.

Well should I frame it or dismantle it?

I had to buy these at the price offered just for components. This has to be the craziest AA crossover I have ever seen and I can't imagine how this configuration was arrived at.

Frank Zappa also had a TV review. "I'm The Slime". Let your millenials hear this one if you can get the smart phone away from them for a half second.