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3 hours ago, wvu80 said:
ll add some numbers, but I'll tell you right now it won't be accurate because of the the factors listed by DizRotus ^^^. I also know you have more in this with your custom parts than the price I will have listed below. Had you put the upgraded parts into a home product I think you could have gotten more, but this is the LSI which has a very limited market with buyers typically wanting to put these into the garage.
LSI average price, in good condition: $951 (highest sold price $1200, LSI splits w/alum trim)
Upgraded/updated crossover: +$100
Upgraded tweeters: +100
Upgraded tweeter horn: +100
Professional level restoration: +200
Total: $1451
You forgot the dual phase soldered lug K-55-V's. Whats your total with that added?
33 minutes ago, Coytee said:I'm in for $500.....do I win?
As a side note, they look VERY nice and I really like the machined horn lens (I'm wondering if everyone is so enamored with their line of conversation, they didn't really see it for what it was???)
Anyway, you have my permission to deliver said speakers as I included delivery in my price.
Only if you let me take them in the house and set them up too. I can also haul off those ugly big speaker boxes you won't need anymore and do that for FREE.
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1 hour ago, pzannucci said:
Hit the nail on the head.
Most of the people I sell to don't use soldering equipment well but they know of and appreciate Klipsch. People here on the forums are the exception to the rule and in general far more technically oriented than those I sell to. I am coming to the conclusion that making parts like that machined K-77 drop in is a smarter thing to do and certainly less trouble than find buy travel fix answer gobs of emails argue and then sell.
1 hour ago, jimjimbo said:No, it is not. No idea where that number came from, it is not realistic.
In my experience these quoted numbers are not accurate either based on what I have paid and sold for.
So no conjectures on the Pro La Scala values?
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4 hours ago, dubs said:
I see both sides of the fence.
Seller may get irritated when buyer asks bottom dollar. He set his price he thinks is fair. He should get that. We took great care of our item and aren’t about to take a bath.
Buyer I’m making the step in getting ready to make offer with bottom dollar question. If seller stonewalls me then I know he’s not serious about selling and won’t negotiate.
That’s why sellers set price higher, because we all know we will take less than whet we put it out for. It’s all a game.
If you’re selling something it means;
A.) you are done with it and would like the money.
B.) trading and need the money to upgrade
C.) just need money
my opinion is 75% of the time buyer always has more power than seller. Just My option tho.
Little side story about this la scalas sale. I went in with a different angle showing appreciation for his equipment. Stating that I’m a huge Klipsch fan, and like to listen to them. He said he was free that day, but he lived on other side of Atlanta. (Not sure if y’all been thru here but that could turn into an 8hr trip) so instead of wasting my time driving there for him to stonewall me with I’ll take 100-300 off, I had to feel him out with the bottom dollar question.
Not a big deal in the end, just trying to say when buyers sometimes use the bottom dollar question it isn’t malicious. Gotta know if it’s worth time. Which is sometimes more precious than the dollars spent.
Very well said. Sadly as much as I like buying and selling vintage Klipsch because I like working on them it has become VERY hard to buy at a price where you can make money after time to acquire and cost of drive + cost and time to fix up things which seems to be required three out of four times. If you believe in re-capping old crossovers which I do then every single one unless already done needs this. If it is already done then the seller rightfully expects to get more so cost to buy goes up. I am working to get my money out of current offerings and after personal expenses from EBay fees to repairs maybe getting 15 to 20% averaged markup after all expenses and it is not worth it. I hardly ever get to buy at the prices thrown about around here and the choice is to either pay more of forget doing it and believe me I spend time looking. A few times per year you get lucky the rest of the time if you wish to have things for sale regularly you don't get lucky. Cheap prices are the exception to the rule in Nashville for speakers in decent shape..
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OK I see numbers thrown around all the time and I see what I pay and sell for in the Nashville area. So one can buy speakers with or without work being done and those without work are worth less. The cheapest La Scalas I bought in a year and a half were $1,000 and a 580 mile round trip to Atlanta. Refinished and coated in satin Spar Polyurethane and the AL-2 's replaced with AA 's. Everything checked out for proper working condition and an almost new pair of Atlas PD-5VH put on the K-400's. These sold for $2,000 to a guy who drove up from Fl to get them. So there is value added at times which leads me to this. I have a pair of Pro La Scalas one piece with fiberglass and trim. Recapped AA crossover and cabinet cleaned up and painted. A pair of dual phase soldered lug K-55-V's put in. A pair of my machined aluminum K-77 drop in eliptrac style replacement horns with Eminence APT-50 drivers installed and they sound really nice. So just what is the consensus here on the value of these?
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Listening to these yesterday and thinking how all the shrillness is gone. Between replacing the old round magnet K-77's and adding the dual phase plug K-55-V's and re-capping the crossovers made a huge difference. Have to admit they look nice to.
I am going to get a price on Aluminum and have decided this latest version is the final one. Since I know how much time it will take to cut I should have a price on these very soon for all who are interested.
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Anti- Intellectualism
Perhaps it is the endless discussion of created topics where no one can "win" except the bored guy who starts it all and keeps the pot stirred. There are hobbies for all sorts I suppose.
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Mine were in bad shape. Some of the capacitors were melted and the resistors on three of them were so hot they had scorched the crossover boards and melted solder connections. Water damage where the magnet assembly had corroded and the voice coils were rubbing the accumulated dirt and corrosion. They actually all played and did not sound to bad even in that shape.
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Here is the literature I have. Generally I find these old Pro speakers have been abused so be prepared to fix a few things. Super price if you don't have to fix much.
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I have been selling 1's and 2's for $750 to $825 in very nice shape , recapped crossovers and most of the time with Crites Titanium tweeter diaphragms plus they have been gone through and thoroughly checked for any problems. Yours are worth $600 untouched in the Nashville Tn market.
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I have seen pictures of the eliptrac and that did inspire me. Never had one to measure but I would imagine they are close. You create the geometry with a circle at the bottom and an ellipse as big as you can get to fit the opening and generate a surface between the two. The sides are actually a straight line from the circle to ellipse and generating a negative or positive bulge to change that is something that can be done but I figure simpler is better since I have no analytical way of designing a horn lens by math. That eliptrac looked to be a straight wall so I stayed with that.
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1 hour ago, Marvel said:
Do those fit the old style APT50 or the standard 1 3/8 style threading?
Bruce
1 3/8 18 threads. Funny you should ask. I just came in from the shop where I installed a pair of these along with some soldered lug K-55-v's into my Pro La Scalas. Disconnected the Zeners because I don't have to worry about tweeters anymore. Fired these up and it was like new speakers had appeared. I did more than one thing so how much is due to each part of the equation I don't know. I am sending a pair of tweeter assemblies off to someone who can properly assess what I have done this coming week. Those KP-450's still are better but the improvement with the La Scalas was enough for me to think briefly about keeping them.
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7 hours ago, moray james said:
Got to love that clear lacquer on Birch.
Yes it goes well with the AL crossovers I think are in them. Maybe he wants this much because there are some German Beeswax Hermetically Encapsulated Sonically Balanced Super Gold Foil $800 dollar caps in there.
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5 hours ago, absolve2525 said:
Where can you buy those horns without drivers? I'd like to try those, but have plenty of drivers already. Looks sweet.
That reminds me. These are meant to be a direct drop in replacement for the K-77 in the La Scalas. If your driver is not small enough to fit the cabinet these will be of no use to you. If you have a custom cabinet with more space available that's a different story.
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A big part of the equation is the cutting of the conical shape. It takes a ton of little tiny cuts to make a smooth surface with the .06" radius bull nose cutter I used. I am going to try a 3/8" ball nose end mill and see what that does. In any case it needs to be no more than the same priceor very close as other existing similar things. I have to see if I can get the cutting time down low enough to be worth it.
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Well when I am certain they work well you would buy them from me since I am making them. I am sending a pair off to a guy for testing and then making a pair for myself to see what I think. One of the problems for sure is the paint on the horn. Using a standard tap which does not vary it is hard to screw the horn in until the paint is removed from the horn threads. I ran across this with an old horn and I could barely get the driver off. These big fine threads don't have much tolerance for problems before they seize and gall.
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Finally got around to machining an adaptor to fit an APT50 super tweeter to a K-77 opening like on the La Scalas. Have not put one in yet but I have a pair of Pro La Scalas slated for this soon. Figure I can just bypass the zener's on the AA crossovers with these and not have to worry. May not be the final final but darned close. Will fit the stock screw holes with an extra one for safety and be flush with the outside of the motorboard for better sound..
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6 hours ago, codewritinfool said:
Yikes, that's gonna be some rough news when the seller realizes they are at least $5000 too high.
Not a buyer for his La Scalas but thought I would help him out by showing what a real price would be. There is a pair for sale close by in Chattanooga for $1,500 and that was still a bit high to me. Someone has convinced him that the pair of 50th anniversary special edition La Scalas on Ebay is a normal price.
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https://knoxville.craigslist.org/ele/d/klipsch-la-scala-speakers/6492014226.html
The only thing I can figure is that the grille has a few ounces of gold thread in it.
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Hi gained good to see you here. Hey Claude I am also curious to know now that my mind has been jogged on this.
On 12/13/2017 at 5:48 AM, jjptkd said:They appear to be the same thing driver wise have you compared the crossovers? Klipsch made an HIP-2 that was the early version of the kp-250 in the early '80's I believe.
As a much delayed update on the speakers I bought. They have K-42's in them that are far older than I have seen before and the mid horns had soldered lug K-55-V's on them. One round and one square K-77. The cabinets are really crude but stamped with a serial number and I think original. Pics to follow soon. It was a real deal at $300.00.
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I don't remember which one of you had the nerve to laugh at me when I said I had my final system. Then I start finding out about speakers I never knew of like the KP-450's. I have decided that people who come by to buy speakers simply are not going to hear them. Just sold a pair of super pristine KP-301's and KP-115's to a guy and then he wanted to hear the 450's. While we were at it we spent a few hours digging through my pile o stuff and dragged out the Pro La Scalas and a pair of KP-250's and let it rip. I have had these for a few weeks before I got them right with recapping and discovering the wires in one bass bin hooked up wrong and never tested them side by side with the others. It was pretty shocking how much better the 450's were over the La Scalas and that includes the sharp thump your chest bass and percussion I used to be so proud of with the La Scalas. The other stuff sounded kind punky by comparison to and it was a real eye opener. The guy who just bought the KP setup wanted to know if I could sell them for him so he could get one of the upcoming KP-456's.
Bill H you are so right these are really fabulous speakers and the absolute end of any idea I ever had about wanting homeowner stuff like Cornwalls or K-Horns. I can only imagine what the 456's are going to sound like. If you have never heard these and you get a chance do so.
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14 hours ago, muel said:
He's just all over the place and taking us along for the ride.
It's been interesting I suppose
Choose a path and take it.
A friend had a flat tire the other day... must have been that fork.
Spot on. No it has not been interesting and never any concrete results. At some point in time you have to do something besides talk if you want to be taken seriously..
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Yes to taking this never ending search story out of Alerts which is about what is available to buy now somewhere.
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" Oh and MDF is about 40% cheaper than Baltic Birch, so gee, I wonder why they use it. ". Please do not imply that accountants make decisions engineers have to try and make work as best they can.
Just for the heck of it Google "MDF versus Baltic Birch for professional speaker cabinets" and see what the consensus is there and gobs of reasons for Baltic Birch.
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14 hours ago, ODS123 said:
PSB, Paradigm, Vandersteen, KEF... indeed, darn near every audiophile speaker mfg uses MDF, and has been for a long long time. While the idea of using plywood has a nice artisanal appeal, the fact is that MDF is better because it's denser (less resonant), more consistent from sheet to sheet and takes cuts and routes more cleanly. And while it may be marginally less expensive, it is supposedly harder on cutting tools. As for pushing the drivers together, I'll defer to others to explain why. ..My hunch is this was done to improve the blending b/w the drivers.
As a guy who buys old and works on it and then sells it I can tell you MDF no matter what the manufacturing claims for it is inferior. Veneer picks out at the edges much easier as the MDF crumbles away from humidity or knocks. Screws holes do not have the the same durability. Drop an MDF cabinet and tell me about it. Yes I know this is not supposed to happen but it does. Good sharp cutting tools give great sharp routed shapes and you want life buy carbide and cut for a long time on MDF OR Baltic Birch. If all things are equal meaning Baltic Birch thickness the same as MDF is there a study that demonstrates the superiority of MDF? I would like to read it although it would be academic interest only since the mechanical aspects of MDF alienate me.
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I said "upgraded tweeters" when I should have said "upgraded K-55's." Even though those dual phase K55v are worth what, $300-350 they still would not return that value on the upgrade to an LSI, IMO.
Well actually there are new tweeters and new horns + the K-55-V. I figure the tweeter horn assemblies are worth around $200.00 new and these are new. We are not too far apart as I have these listed for $1,650 on Craigslist. They are the best sounding La Scalas I have had.