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I miss Thebes. Oh, wait, there you are! The man who started the single longest running thread on the Klipsch Forum. Take a bow.

And where's my buddy Jazman? And Neo33? Painful Reality got a life, so it makes sense that he's gone. I miss JulieHeartKlipsch.

When you've got a point, you've got a point. The Klipsch people who have responded in this thread are eager to get to the bottom of the problem. They want to keep the customer satisfied. People who are attacking Mr. Thermalup for complaining are not doing anyone any favors.

As you know, Dean, I've encouraged you in these threads to buy Jubilees, especially when you were going to buy just the bass bins. They would be the perfect vehicle for you to tinker around with the top, with almost endless possibilities to feed your ravenous hunger for continually having something different. Knowing your aesthetic sense, my main concern was that you covered up whatever horn you ended up with. I'm a little surprised that you're buying into the 402 spiel whole hog. You do seem to be quite an amazing expert on these things considering you haven't heard them. But why let that little matter get in your way?

I can only sit dumbstruck, in total awe at your brave soul, willing to risk it all in climbing to such lofty heights. When you're up there in the heavens, looking down on us mere mortals, it must indeed drill home your superiority to the weak at heart. We must look like so many little ants to you, you are so high. What an interesting analogy, mountain climbing and Jubilees. Would it be a fair comparison to have one of these little ants scaling the monstrous 402, looking down scornfully at other ants from his colony who are busy walking around on Bose cubes?

45: Laughably low power. Will compress/clip just about any signal fed to it louder than a chick jazz singer performing in a motel lounge, whispering throatily to drunk businessmen. For the most extreme of the "less is more" crowd. 2A3: Not enough power to do justice to full spectrum music. Unrealistically heightened midrange--hence, sounds like music you've never heard. 300B: More power, but lacking the so-called magic of the 2A3. SET for people who want it both ways (magic midrange *and* power) but they wind up heavily compromised in both areas.

A pair of Bose 901 would be perfect for you. They tackled that little problem by making all their sound reflected sound.

Is it any wonder that all the world likes lawyer jokes?

This is their nice, Trey!

I really don't care about newer Klipsch speakers. Old Heritage is good enough for me and for the majority of the people on the Forum, for that matter. Now of course gearheads are going to think that they can always improve things and that new is better. This is called "nowism," root word "now." The issue at hand is the K-403 which PWK chose for his home Jubilee, versus the K-402 which he SAW but never considered for the home Jubilee. The K-402 is the horn that the Bad Cowboy is pushing. The important thing is whether the K-403 would be perfectly fine in a home environment for normal people, or whether one has to use the so-called butt-ugly monstrosity that is the K-402. For some reason, the Bad Cowboy does not want to discuss the K-403 unless it is pulled out of him, tiny info bit by tiny info bit. Interesting, isn't it?

Bad Cowboy, You wanted me to check with PWK to ask him where he put your slide rule. Well, I got out the OUIJA board and put your question to him. He was surprised that you didn't already know but suggested that you go to your local airport.

It's funny, isn't it, that Shawn and the Bad Cowboy refuse to post the polar patterns of all Klipsch Heritage speakers. After all, we might just see that those simply dreadful "collapsing vertical polar patterns" aren't anything to lose sleep over after all. We might see that the 402 is great for the most anal of gearheads but silly for normal people. Anyway, Shawn, I don't see why you let any speaker component limitations trouble you when you can just fool around with your Lexicon and make everything perfect.

Yep . . .

As I posted in another thread, Andy wrote this: The plans for the home-version Jubilee when I saw it were to incorporate a vertically adjustable arcing device for the tweeter horn...IOW...you could adjust its aim up and down somewhat...using screw-wheel adjusters at the rear of the mounting of it...and all of this VISIBLE hardware was/is? planned to be gold anodized, etc...for aesthetic reasons...the center finely veneered panel was also designed to be removable and replaceable...so that one could adapt the speaker to changing decor of the room over time....whereas the Klipschorn is "what you see is what you get"!: aesthetic versatility matchpoint, Jubilee! This would have been for the 403, I would guess. It would render moot the 402's superiority verticalwise. Also it was a really cool idea to have the front veneer panel be something that could slide off. That way if you wanted to change the wood look to oak, say, you could, or if you scraped it all up like Roy did with the Jubilee in his lab, you could easily fix it.

The decorator model of the Khorns looks great. The essential design of the bass bin of the Jubilee looks good too. All it needs is veneer on front and grilles. Now the 402, that is another matter. Dean may be right, though, that with its kooky dimensions, covering it up might make it look even worse (if that's possible). Somebody mentioned there was a covered-up 402 at Hope. Anybody have a picture of that?

Okay, so he SAW it, but he didn't hear it. Did he say "You've got to be kidding!" when he SAW the thing? Or did he say, "That's perfect for my living room!" Seriously, Mr. Cowboy, we both know that PWK would never have considered the 402 acceptable for a home Jubilee.

You're right. I missed that first time around.

Better can mean better specs, an objective measurement. Preferable is a different matter, and is subjective. I preferred the stock horn and tweeter on La Scalas when I heard them, as opposed to Al K.'s trachorn and a fancy tweeter. I wasn't the only one, either. The aftermarket stuff sounded fine, and I'd be happy enough with it, but I preferred the factory stock items.

Now it makes sense, thanks. If he guaranteed it, then he should fix it for free. Then again, if it's a new problem, that's different. Bottom line, it's unacceptable as is and would drive you crazy if you kept using it.

Actually, I do know the answer, just like I knew the answer to my central K-402 question. I'm just putting them out there to enlighten the non-Kool-Aid drinkers.

Since you have nothing better to do, why don't you post the vertical polar responses for all Klipsch Heritage speakers, and overlay them on the K-510 and K-402? Thanks in advance. I have this funny preference of listening to music instead of pink noise and test tones, but to each his own.

No, I want lots of other people buying home Jubilees, and then in twenty years or so, maybe I can save a few bucks and buy a pair on eBay.

Sounds reasonable to me. To know if it really is an issue or not, it'd be interesting to know whether all Klipsch Heritage has "collapsing vertical polar patterns." Considering that PWK used the K-403, it warrants consideration. He could have had a 6-foot square high frequency horn if he wanted to, but he chose one that made sense in a home.

But the proposal is not just for people who make a living at it (vendors) but everyone. Don't even try to tell me that average people who sell a CD or a book or a receiver on eBay pay taxes on it currently.

I may have missed the explanation, but why did he do this for free?