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35 minutes ago, PrestonTom said:
Looking at this thread, one would get the impression that Klipschorns are terrible, and need to have two of three drivers replaced and at least one or both of the horns replaced, and while we are at it, why not re-design the crossover and set the output on the midrange down by 6 dB.
If the Klipschorns are really that poorly designed and assembled, why not buy something else. I had Klipschorns for over ten years. Other than refreshing some capacitors, they were basically stock. It was ten years of sheer enjoyment. Who knows, maybe if I got some capacitors soaked in beeswax the "veil would have been removed". Note to self: insert idiotic smiley face ...
Seriously guys, if you need to knock the midrange down by 6 dB, then the speakers are poorly designed and you should buy something else.
another note to self: .......
I think its more along the lines of:
What is more fun, putting the puzzle together or looking at it when its done?
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I also think it is most likely the bees but it may also be an ear infection. About a year ago one of our cats started falling over and walking around looking drunk. After watching her, we noticed whenever she shook her head it made her fall over. I went to the vet and they did a thorough neurological exam and we found out it was an ear infection that threw her equilibrium off. I few rounds of meds and she was as good as new. The walking in circles may be a sign of ear infection as well because one ear hurts so they lower their head and the equilibrium makes them pull to that side. Also check for burrs, there is a kind of plant called the foxtail that has those arrow looking burrs and they can get in your dogs ear and work their way in. We were always taking my Dog to the vet to get those out. I hate these nasty things:
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This reminds me that Pretty Lights came out of his radio silence and is playing 2 shows at RedRocks as his only concerts this year. Supposedly he is still battling some old drug demons. I hope he comes out with the new album soon. Not music for everyone but I have been a long time fan, some have described him as the Pink Floyd of the younger generation.
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I agree with SiliconTi, the corners of the short wall are your best bet. The problem with your current placement is you are getting gain from the left wall reflection with an open space on the right which is going to cause an channel imbalance. Even the balance controls can bring the vocals back to the center but you will never get the clean soundstage that you will from having the walls even on both sides.
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Good luck with the sale and that looks like a fair price. Maybe you can use the funds to grab some LaScalas and a good subwoofer.
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Congratulations for your son and I really hope the best for your brother and will keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers. I have one brother and I cant imagine anything happening to him. Sometimes life happens that way, my Grandma passed away about 3 days before my first child was born about a year and a half ago.
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21 minutes ago, Godataloss said:
Thank you. I've collected for years. This is tip of the iceberg, lol.
I was going to say the same thing, your room looks like its out of a high end catalog. I cant remember the name of that chair but is that one one that famous designer built? Those K-Horns are stunning too btw.
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I looked into these quite a bit a while back but never pulled the trigger on getting the components. From what I read they will make excellent surround or ceiling atmos speakers and they radiate in a way that nomatter what angle you listen you still get a good soundstage. Many people rum them with a super tweeter though for the high end. I think the optimal setup is using rigid fiberglass board. The technology is actually moving into the pro audio field as well:
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My LaScalas have Crites crossovers and tweeters and I am very happy with them. However, they were installed before I purchased the speakers so I cant compare. I did replace the caps (capacitors) on my Heresy speaker though and it made a pretty big difference, the speaker was much more tight and controlled. Bob Crites is very well regarded here and I would say you can purchase his crossovers with confidence.
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24 minutes ago, LD2210 said:
I had to go have a look at those, nice indeed. Could the price be because they are vs1? Also curious what makes that version so coveted. Are they that rare/hard to find?
The Version 1 CF series were designed by Roy Delgado (Forum name @Chief bonehead) who worked closely with Paul Klipsch and was his protege. The Version 1 speakers have a longer port tube, i think around 6 inches, and are known for being extremely balanced and musical. Supposedly some dealers didnt think it they sounded "Klipsch Like" so Klipsch revised the design for Version 2 which had shorter ports to change the speaker to have more 'sizzle' at the cost of the original V1 smoothness. Then they moved to Version 3 which had cheaper drivers and colored wiring. Roy typically works in the Pro side now but recently designed the Forte III which is another speaker that I am sure will be just a coveted in the future. As for an investment, assuming you keep them in good shape I imagine the V1s will always hold their value.
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1 minute ago, Sprogk said:
I actually like that idea Larry. Two Khorns opposite corners of the 55ft wall and Belle’s centers! I like!
But what about that sump pump in the left corner of that wall? I can off coarse build that sump into a closet or little room to creat a corner. But then Jubilees would also work if I have two corners! I always thought that 55ft corners are way to far apart for corner speakers....
would I still need a sub?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIf you do the K-horns along the top wall, be careful that furnace room does not block the sound. K-Horns shoot 45 deg into a room and the right channel might hit the corner of the furnace room.
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45 minutes ago, Sprogk said:
Forgot to mention water meter is in that corner....
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe red dashed line is the reflection you will need to get rid of:
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38 minutes ago, Sprogk said:
Forgot to mention water meter is in that corner....
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOk, plan "B" then. Here is how I would have them. Start with the listening position and find a spot equal distance from the top and bottom walls (Green line distance should be the same) Mark that spot then place the belles along the left wall so you make an equilateral triangle with the same distance between the speakers and yourself (Pink lines the same distance). You are going to get a nasty reflection from that staircase right behind you so you will want to put a heavy curtain on the wall there if you can to make it "disappear"
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3 hours ago, Sprogk said:
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPersonally, I would put the belles here: (Speakers in blue, listening position in teal)
This way you have a good symmetry at your listening position for channel balance and you can more easily treat the walls for reflections.
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40 minutes ago, dtel said:
You should, you need them, just remember when you go to gather and scavenge them to wear clothes even and especially if someone is filming. It would give a whole new meaning to the word WillyBob.
Never watched Naked and Afraid but if they are expected to do what's need to survive they did well, the crew should have been better at making it inaccessible. And your right a pit trap or snare then proceed to clean the catch to eat, whose fault would that be ?
Never watch any of those shows, people have to be stupid to volunteer for that. What are they thinking, things are going to well, I want to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere with nothing just for fun, naked. dumbasses
I agree, if you are naked in the woods and your not on drugs... Well then you have a serious problem.
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4 minutes ago, Emile said:
Sorry; yes ash. And ... 1000mm is about 40 inches
This reminds me. My Grandparents lived on Bainbridge Island near Seattle when they were still alive. For years my Grandpa had a tarp and rope in his trunk in the event Rainier ever blew he wouldnt get ash on his car. It was just one of those 'Grandpa' things you just know its better to not ask into too much.
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32 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
I didn't think about Audyssey. The higher end AVR's have a powerful version of Audyssey which will calibrate subs. And even if Audyssey won't you can still go back into the setup menu and add 6 db to boost the 25 Hz region, if your version allows that much fine tuning.
I know I could run both Umax's off a single Inuke 3000 w/dsp but I have two so I figured, why not just use one for each sub? It's just an experiment in fun.
I'm using all Neutric connectors so I'm building all the cables as well.
Once I start to play around with it, ill see what I can do to the sub trims. We have not put in any sound treatments yet and I want to get that in before i run any Audessey. Its my first time playing with the tool as well.
Very cool. Speakon connections are great for sub builds in my opinion. Bridging the I Nukes is a little tricky until you get the 4 pole connections figured out with the correct hookups but easy once you set it up the first time. I just replaced the incredibly noisy fan in my INuke with this one from Amazon and had it blow out the back of the case and have been very happy with it. I just cut and re-soldered the new wires and it dropped right in.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KF7P34G/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
My apologies to the OP if we are hijacking this thread, hopefully this discussion can provide some insight if you want to go DIY with the subs.
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13 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
That Inuke 1000 is a pretty good match usually, but doesn't it have the DSP? I take it from what you are saying you can't boost the bass with that amp. That sub driver needs to add 6db at 25 Hz and it's wonderfully musical as well as being pretty good for movie use as well.
I recently picked up a couple of Umax 15's used on the cheap and I am about to finish them up. I bought the 3.0 flat packs from DIYSoundgroup.com and I have two Inuke 3000 w/dsp, one for each sub.
I have the version that does not have DSP. The AVR has Audessey so hopefully that will help when I finally start calibrating. I currently have an MWF-15 slot port cab with the Reference HF driver that I am using with my LaScalas in my 2 channel rig. I am planning a Cinema F-20 build soon and will most likely swap the sealed Dayton cab with the ported one in the theater.
That is going to be a heck of a setup with those dual Umax 15 subs...
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2 minutes ago, wvu80 said:
I'm pretty happy with my DIY sub from PE, the Reference 15 w/Yung 500 watt plate amp w/bass boost. Use bass boost for sealed. About $500 for this combo.
PE has something called the Sub 15 (also Sub 12, etc) for $200 shipped. The downside to that sub is the 150 watt plate amp which is fairly anemic. I bought the Sub 10 for my son about three years ago and the amp gave up (caps went out) earlier this year. It worked pretty well with his modest 5.1 setup until then.
https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1500-15-150-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-634
I have the same reference pack and agree that its a great value. The assembly is easy too. The amp with bass boost is actually pretty important for this kit. I have mine running with an INuke 1000 bridged and I feel like it can still use more bottom end.
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1 hour ago, Mudcat3434 said:
The crossover is type AA.
EDIT: I can’t get it to post a picture so I’ll figure it out when I’m not on mobile.
The AA Crossovers are well regarded. As others have mentioned, I would listen to them for a few months then think about getting the crossovers capacitors replaced.
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I really liked Anthony Bourdain and this was hard to take this morning. The guy had balls, I always liked how his shows had a gritty, real feeling where he threw himself headlong into the culture instead of just dabbling in fine restaurants and hotels. Anthony was a true traveler instead of a tourist and that is something I always respected.
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50 minutes ago, cybernaut667 said:
Just purchased RF-35 set, and waiting for them to come .
Do I really need banana plugs?
I only have neked wires..
Cheers from Greece .
Akis
You definitely do not need Banana plugs. They are good for it you need to unhook your speakers frequently or if your cables come with them but regular cable screwed in is fine.
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Welcome to the forum! Your Father has good taste in speakers. The LaScalas are some of the most detailed and revealing Klipsch speakers and if set up properly can sound almost exactly like live music. You can literally close your eyes and 'see' someone singing in front of you with a guitar, drums etc. I would ditch the polk speakers and run these as a 2.1 system. With the detail and 'big' soundstage, you will find you wont miss your surrounds.
First things first. Lets figure out what kind of LaScalas you have. If you look at the back of the speaker the crossover board will have a code written or stamped on it. Here is an example pic with the code highlighted:
These speakers will run forever if properly cared for but its a good idea to replace the capacitors in your crossovers as they dry out and run out of spec. This means that the crossover points ie the frequency where the tweeter and the woofer meet may drift and your speakers wont play to their full potential. Different types were known to sound better than others and it will help you decide what direction you want to go in to refresh or upgrade them. Bob Crites runs a business dedicated to aftermarket Klipsch Heritage speaker components and is very highly regarded here. Depending on your type you can buy a new set from him or send in your current set to be rebuilt. New crossovers will run about $250 to $300 and the rebuild service about $120.
Here is a link to his website:
Regarding your amp, I would leave it for now. Its an entry level AVR but the LaScalas are very easy to drive to to their high efficiency and your budget is best spent elsewhere.
Subwoofer- Now here is where you are going to want to sink most of your budget. LaScalas are big speakers but due to the horn loaded bass, dont play very deep. In fact, you might think something is wrong at first because you are missing the bass. However, with a good subwoofer you can fill in that bottom end very well. I personally think 15'' subwoofers are the best size option as they dig deep and move a lot of air. Here is a well regarded on from Klipsch, it is $900 but well worth it once you get it fired up.
https://www.klipsch.com/products/reference-subwoofers?model=r-115sw
The 12'' model runs about $650:
https://www.klipsch.com/products/reference-subwoofers?model=r-112sw
There are some other good brands as well that other members can help you with as they know more about the sub market than I do.
For now, just get the room figured out on how you want them placed and you should be fine to hook them up for some initial impressions. I would make sure all the connections on the crossover are tight first then play some music at low volume and put your ear to the tweeter then mid horn to make sure all the drivers are working.
Again welcome to the forum. This place is a wealth of knowledge regarding speakers, audio theory and Klipsch history and its a very interesting place to be. There are even some former Klipsch employees who have assembled the speakers here and one of Klipsch's head designers pops in now and again.
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4 minutes ago, dtel said:
Yes, it was going to be a revision of the Khorn, the history is here, below.
Thank you for sharing this, very interesting info.
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Wings?
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Lol, I came here to type exactly this.