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Thanks D2 I also talked to Terry today. He's one of the nicest guys I've had the pleasure to speak to. I was a little excited (it's like talking to the owner) and picked his brain clean. Then we had a great conversation about the Cornwall he owns, Klipschorns from different generations, crossovers and such. He dated one of my speakers (serial 2D190) from 1965. I was 3 years old when it went out the factory door. He wasn't to sure about the 1RB crossover but told me to call back when he had his archives back. My other speaker was dated 1948-1961. When I call back he said he would have the exact year for that speaker too. He also said that my drivers were not original. So I guess the previous owner bought the same drivers as the newer speaker, of the two, to get a better timber match. An older guy at Klipsch heard as talking and he injected that I shouldn't change my crossover (same drivers in each speaker but two different squawker lenses). The fiberglass/wood lens was designed to work with the crossover that is in the speaker that I have. I'm listening to them now and they both sound wonderful. Do they sound better then my Cornies. Not that much of a difference, to be honest. The Klipschorn is taller so I think the imaging is better in my room. Is the bass tighter. Not really. My ears think that the Cornwall has plenty of tight bass. I'm very picky about tight bass too. I can't listen to muddy or boomy speakers. I still need my sub with the Klipschorns. I think once you have a great sub that blends well with a system you can never go back. It's like sex. After the first time it's an addiction. A good one at that! Anyway, I'm glad I have the Klipschorns I can rest at night knowing I have the best Klipsch speaker that is made for the consumer. Maybe I can spend more time listening and less time on upgrades. However, my Cornwall II's can definetely, hold their own with the mighty K-horn. I was also lucky to get a nice tight fit into each room corner. They are so incredibly big. I also, found out that I have Alnico magnets. I don't know if they sound better but....I can't believe my wife hasn't thrown me out yet. I went fishing (don't want to open too many cans of worms) and said to my wife, "you hate them..right? I was expecting..YEP!!. My response was they are OK. In lady land that is full approval. However, piss her off and sentiment can change fast. I've been extra nice to her and will throw her many bones for the next week or so. Could you imagine if you wife came home with a 5 foot vacum and paid 1k for it. Us guys would go ape. Anyway, my wife is cool and I'm very lucky. Thanks for all the help.

I called Klipsch because I have the same exact crossover. The guy I spoke to told me to call back in a few months because they were updating their archives. He said that the date was 1948-1961 for my crossover. Call Klipsch and ask your question to one of the engineers. They will know or can find out.

Hi all, First let me answer my own question. I played around with several cleaners and wood restoration products and the one that I found was best is Liquid Gold. It seem to put the oils back into the veneer, hide minor scratches. The speakers look like new. Too bad I don't have a digital camera to post. But I will post pics in time. Danny: I rented a trailer from UHAUL. It cost me about 30.00 for everything. My only mistake was renting the 6X8 because it was too light and was battered and bruised by NY roads. Once the speakers were loaded the trailer had more weight and didn't get thrown around as much. I laid down carpeting and boxes to cushion the floor and then bought a box of bubble wrap and made a plastic mummy wrap for each speaker. Then I stuffed whatever I had so each speaker wouldn't move and used rope to tie it all together. Somehow the speakers made it in one piece. There was no way that they were fitting into my Pathfinder. I use to drive an 86 Cressida that was falling apart so the 2001 Pathfinder is a huge upgrade. I told my wife it's lke when the Jeffersons moved out of Queens. I got the truck for 18K with 27k on it. New the dealer wanted 28k plus tax. A lease was 355.00 with 2.5k down and 15k miles a year. The Pathfinder is very comfortable for long trips. Oh..When I pulled out of UHAUL I drive back in and told the guy that there was something wrong with the hitch because it was making alwful banging noises. This was my first receiver hitch and there is play in them there hitch parts that fit together not so snug. Anyway, I have a great tip...I found an Internet site that sells a device to get rid of the noise. Here is the URL. http://www.hitchrider.com/nowobble.htm I didn't have time to get one so I made it out of wood and it really works.

The finish is walnut and is stock. 1965 Circa. The tag states: K-B-WO. The veneer looks a little dry. Thanks

Hi, The K-Horns I have are in excellent condition. I re-finished the tops to remove glass stains and light scratches. The bottom of the speakers look great but you can see that the grain is drying out a little. I was wondering if there is something I can put on the wood that will restore it without doing a complete re-finish which I think is not needed. It's like the surface of the wood is one color and there are little speckles of a lighter color that look like dry spots.

edster, the serial number was on a tag and also stamped on the side of the speaker. One of the older speakers I have has a wood squaker and the tweeter is mounted vertically. The other squaker is made from cast iron (k-400). Luckily both speakers have the same finish. K2dx: The W6 crossover has K-500-5000 written on the side, two large coils, a device that a believe is a tap with a black and red wire going to it it also was made by Sperry (imprinted in the side)there is also another metal piece with the words Mallory on it. Does this sound familar. The other crossover I have only has one coil on it and is much smaller in size ans is stamped 1RB. I'm a little nervous that each speaker will have a different crossover point. I would like to identify each one.

Today was a special day for me. First, I convinced the wife to drive 300 miles round trip to pickup a pair of Klipschorns in PA (A feat in itself). You should have seen her expression when she first saw the massive K-horn. Actually, I was a little surprised too. Even though I had the dimensions from the Klipsch site you cant appreciate how massive they are until you actually see them in person. Im very excited and would love some information on my find. Unfortunately, both speakers dont match but for the 850.00 I paid I just smiled and loaded them on my truck. Both speakers have the same finish and are in great condition with solid woods. I would love to know the approximate age and the main differences in the design and crossover? Also, I would like advice on whether I should update one K-horn to match the other. Here goes: The first speakers serial is- 2D190, serial K-B-WO. Tweet K-77, Squaker-K-55V with K-400 lens, Woof-K-33J and the crossover is stamped type 1RB Klipsch Balancing Network . The other speakers serial is-1704, Model-K-B-wo, style B, Tweet-K-77 mounted vertical, Squaker-serial 1888 K-5J (this lens is much larger then the other speakers lens and looks to be made of wood with the tweet mounted vertically) driver-K-55V, woof-K-33J, and the crossover is stamped W6 and says K-500-5000. Thanks in advance.

I LOVE my DVD-A and SACD music presentations. I have Cornwalls (soon to be replaced with Khorns) and Heresys for sorrounds and a center. I just love the realism that sorround sounds affords me. I like that instruments are coming out of each speaker. I think it makes for great imaging and more life like concert performances. I actually prefer my 5.1 music listening over 2 channel music. I just find channel boring and uninspiring. The problem with 5.1 setups is that all your speakers have to be high quality.

REL make the best sounding subs that I've ever heard whithout totally going insane. I personally don't like the Klipsch subs. Perhaps the newer ones are better but a few years back when I was shopping for a sub I considered the Klipsch sub until I heard it. Lots of distortion and it was cheaply made. I wanted to like it because I LOVE Klipsch speakers (well most of them). Another alternative would be to buy a Titanic sub kit from Parts Express. I bought the Titanic driver and built my own sub. It sounds wonderfull. I bought a used B&K ST-140 to drive it. I paid 150.00 for the amp and now I have a great sub. I used birch and double walled the cabinet with bracing. The Titanic driver is one of the best you can buy onthe market. Be sure (if u go this route) to buy the original Titanic. I've tried the newer and older one and the newer one sounds a little better. If you want the ultimate sub buy a 15" Lambda accoustic driver (www.stryke.com) and build your own sub with this driver. I did I just love the deep clear bass that it produces.

That REL sub you have is kickass. I would keep it and give it a try before selling it off. Lascalas don't go all that deep and a sub reproduces sounds that a normal woofer can't. I personally could never not have a sub in my system. If you are using the system for movies too then the sub is a requirement.

LOL...I read the story about the earthquake. It would have been better if the story was about how he was enjoying his Klipsch speakers so much that he didn't want to turn them off to find shelter. I knew the bass on my Klipschorn could shake the house and the erathquake was just another low octave. Anyway, some of those stories are quite creative and some are BS. But that is what story telling is all about..I guess.

JC, The speakers I have are one owner speakers and are in a non-smoking home. They have been treated well and are in excellent condition. The finish is Birch and I had a custom stain applied by a professional/friend of mine. I've gotte many comliments on the finish. The grills are cane with no tears, rips or soil with original emblems. The drivers and cossovers are all original and sound wonderful. There may be a few scratches on the bottoms but the sides and tops are in pristine condition. They are Cornwall II's which I purchased in or around 85 (whish I had a better memory). The backs aren't removable. I'm asking 800.00 and may even have the manual some place. However, I need to have my K-horns in place before I part with my babies. I should have them in the next two weeks or before. Thanks for asking.

Thanks HDR. That is what I wanted to hear. I'll let u know more when I get them setup.

Looks like they were spray painted white. Perhaps just bad pics. What happened to the other Klipschorn. Also, the other spekaer looks like a Cornwall. May it was the inspiration for a Cornie. Who knows. I never heard of a Klipsch short horn??

I found K-horns and am picking them up next week. I've posted a link to show the corners in m livingroom where they will go. The room is not that big but has an open floor plan. The corners are about 12' apart. The room is also about 18' long. Will the K-horns over power the room? Has anyone tried K-horns in a small room with success. Would false corners be in order because I don't two full walls? Is this a mistake to put K-horns in this room. The Cornies sound great so I figure more is better? http://216.37.9.58/ubb/uploads/trader/single.jpg http://216.37.9.58/ubb/uploads/trader/cornwalls.jpg This message has been edited by trader on 06-24-2002 at 11:06 PM

Please post a pic of your great find so we can help you better. If too much of the veneer is peeled, gouged and destroyed you may want to paint them. First, you may need to remove all the components and then use a stripper on the existing finish. If the cabinet is in descent shape then you can simply fill in any gouges, etc., stain and apply a coat of poly (spray). If the cabinets are really bad then use lots of wood filler to fill all the imprefections, seal the wood with bin and then paint them black. EIther way you gave a great find. Once you re-finish the wood, sand, stain/paint the smells you have now will be gone.

I sure would hate to drive so far and not get them in my truck so for 20.00 and a light kit (who knows what they will charge for that). I will take the trailer as insurance. I guess I'll bring lots of bubble wrap, blankets and whatever I can find that is padded. Oh. I better not forget a tarp in case it rains. Not that would be a bummer. It costs several hunderd to rent a u-hual truck so that is out. The wife gave no objections to taking a ride to get these speakers. I told her it was a dream of mine to own a pair. I'm still trying to find a place for my Cornwalls but I don't really have the space. I bought the Cornies new and while I have upgraded CD players, VHS/Beta, DVD players, amp, recievers, preamps, turntables, etc. the Cornies have always stayed. I have pictures of them so where in this forum. I'll see if I can find a link. It would be nice to sell them here to a member instead of Ebay. However, they would have to be close to NYC since there is not way that I would ship these beauties. http://216.37.9.58/ubb/uploads/trader/single.jpg http://216.37.9.58/ubb/uploads/trader/cornwalls.jpg This message has been edited by trader on 06-24-2002 at 10:39 PM

Radiohead, It's a 3.5 hour ride each way. I can't pass up this deal. I think I can get the K-horns in my truck but I might have to stack them and that makes me nervouse. Putting them in a trailer that flops all over the road isn't too re-assuring either.

Hi, I'm going to pick up a pair of Klipschorns. I was wondering if anyone knows if they will fit inside a Nissan Pathfinder? My other option is to rent a trailer and attach it to my hitch. The trailer doesn't have the best shocks so I would have to bubble wrap the hell out of the K-horns and hope for the best. Once I get these babies setup I will A/B them with my Cornwalls and give a review. Thanks

Heresys are great speakers for center channels or rear speakers for a 5.1 setup. I think they lack a lot for main speakers. I have Cornwalls and Heresys upstairs. The Heresys are ok but lack the dynamics and warmth of the COrnies. I also am running a sub with both setups. The sub blends much better with the Cornies. Overall the Heresy is a lot of speaker for the bang. I think either I or II are very similar.

Hi, In my main system I have a pair of Cornwall II's a Heresy for a center and a pair of Heresys for surrounds. I'm very happy with the sound and have all the bass I could want. However, I have a chance to pickup a pair of K-horns for a very good price. I can't demo the speakers in my home and it's a long drive to pick the K-horns up so once I make a deciscion and do the drive, I'm committed. Anyway, my room is about 16'X 25' and I have two corners for the k-horns but one corner has baseboard heat running along the bottom?. I'm wondering if I would gain anything by switching out the Cornwalls for the K-horns. I like to upgrade and have always wanted a pair of K-horns but don't want to go through all the trouble of driving 6 hours each way and then be left with speakers that don't sound any better then what I have? I would really appreciate any advice that anyone can give me who have both speakers or have listened to both speakers and can lend advice on my dilemma. Thanks in advance. This message has been edited by trader on 06-20-2002 at 10:56 PM

You'll need two corners for placement of those K-horns. If you have the corners then I would pickup the K-horns. Even though they use the same drivers as most of the Heritage line the lenses are huge creating more dispersion. I believe the horn lens on the squaker is almost 2 feet long. Much smaller on a Heresy. Most of the speaker is designed for the folded horn. The folded horn is simply an internal baffle that the driver fires into. K-horns are a collector's item too and will increase in value. The KLF-30 is a great speaker but not in the same league as the K-horn. This message has been edited by trader on 06-20-2002 at 06:58 AM

Boa, I just orderd the live Queen DTS disc and was extremely dissapointed. I'm not blaming the format. The mix is horrible.... The music sounds flat and lifeless. I really like Queen but I can't listen to it. Too bad. I still love my 47A SACD and DVD-A are awesome. The new DVD-A holders are upgrades to the old CD jewled cases. SACD went the cheap route using the same CD jeweled case. It's hard to tell the difference between CD and SACD discs by looking at the cases. This is a pain in the butt. DVD-A is a much better holder. Also, I listed to a few SACD stereo discs and wasn't impresssed.

Even if the seller insured the item and UPS honors the claim you may not see the insurance money. The check is written to the seller who bought the insurance. It also take a couple of months to settle a claim. UPS will probably deny the claim first and then you'll have to fight. An easier solution is to ask the seller to send you 50.00 as compensation for the damaged speaker. Then you can build a new box for the drivers (if u are handy). This is always the chance you take when you buy on Ebay. Don't get me wrong. I've bought 3 pair of Heresys, three amp, a preamp and speaker wire without any trouble. I've been very lucky. UPS is probably at fault if the box had physical damage to it. Good luck.

I use to have a B&K AV5000II running my Cornwalls and the sound was wonderful. Especially at low listening levels. I was more then happy. However, for 5 channel listeing the AV5000II didn't have enough oomph. I swaped out my B&K for a Sherbourn monoblock amplifier. I didn't notice a huge difference in 2 channel listening but for 5 channel stuff I could hear sounds coming out of my rears that I couldn't hear with the B&K. For your application you will be more then fine. Tube amps run hot and require a lot of matienance so there are pluses and minuses to both. I prefer solid state equipment but haven't really listened to a lot of tube stuff either