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Fini-<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Upon further further reflection, you probably are correct. It just occurred to me I do not know what the reserve was in the auction regarding my Cornwalls (nor do I recall my max bid, other than it was higher than the $511 high bid). The reserve was probably greater than my maximum bid.

Fini- Your comment about the reserve seemed to be an elegantly simple and correct explanation. However, upon further reflection, I don't think thats the explanation. I bid on Cornwalls<1> on eBay just before Valentines Day. My max bid was more than $550. The auction ended with me as the high bidder at $511, but the reserve had not been met. Therefore, eBay did not automatically exhaust my maximum bid to meet the sellers reserve. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Regarding the auction that is the subject of this thread, the $200 gap between the $800 winning bid and the $600 shown in the bid history as the second high bid must have another explanation. <1> BTW I wound up getting the Cornwalls for $475. The seller emailed me a second chance BIN for $511, which I exercised and paid through PayPal. When I went to collect the Corns, the seller bargained herself down to $475 due to an insignificant bit of loose veneer. I left with the Corns and $36.00 in cash.

By golly I think you're right! But technically, FINI, the answer to my question was yes or no.

The bid increment was $10.00. The second high bid was $600.00. Can someone explain why the winning bid was not $610.00, rather than $800.00?

Well?

PWK

Place you max bid with less than ten seconds to go. There is no operational difference between two or three ports. Some time & motion guy probably got involved. If your max fails to meet the reserve, perhaps the seller will let you BIN for your max. That's how I got CWs.

DrBill- The Mouse That Roared was a very funny movie, but we date ourselves (which, according to my late father causes blindness). I'll have to ask my 22 year-old son if he's ever seen it and, if so, what he thinks of it. What is that impressive equipment that SFOGG posted? If it's been identified I missed it. Like you, I like to work on and use tube gear, but that doesnt mean that I dont recognize the merits and limitations of both SS and tube equipment. Many of the new versus old issues are the same for cars as they are for audio. One could open the hood of a 60s Chevy and see the ground. Things were easy to get to, which was good, because they often needed getting to. Open the hood on a current Japanese car and you cant identify, or get to, anything serviceable, which is OK, because they rarely need service. The car in my avatar is a Rotus 8, which is like a Lotus 7 on steroids. It has a carbureted Buick/Rover 3.5 liter aluminum V8. It was easy to work on, which was handy because it needed to be worked on regularly. Every six weeks I had to pull the motor. After selling the Rotus, on an impulse I bought a 97 Miata with every intention of putting a Buick/Rover 3.5 liter aluminum V8 into it also. The engine transplant never occurred. I quickly came to the realization that there is something to be said for a car that starts every time and does not demand constant maintenance. Each car will get you from A to B. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. Neither is right or wrong; theyre different. The same is true of audio gear. It all plays music. There is no universally perfect path to high fidelity. While I prefer to tinker with tube gear and carbureted cars, Im not prevented from using, but not working on SS gear or fuel injected cars.

It was not clearly stated in the subject line of the thread below that the Khorns are for sale. If you're interested, go to "White Khorns in Harper Woods, MI" for details. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=66489&sessionID={AADF2D87-F45F-46A5-988C-201DB52689FB}

---------------- On 6/5/2005 5:03:35 PM ShapeShifter wrote: BTW - The crossovers were upgraded at the same time they did the tweeters, as you can see they are not the originals from 1964. ---------------- Of course, you're right Wes. Also, I just noticed that the large gauge wire was not original to 1964. Furthermore, in photo "serial number 1C984 tweeter" it apears that the speakers were "bi-wired" at some time. You can see a pair of wires that are connected to the tweeter at one end, but lying loose, under the squawker horn, at the other end.

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Regarding the earlier post, Khorn White Sale in Detroit area Wes a/k/a Shape Shifter and I just viewed and auditioned the speakers which are the subject of the above thread. The speakers are in excellent operational condition. The white trim that was added by a finish carpenter at the request of the current owners father looks better in the flesh than in the eBay photos in the earlier thread. Additional photos that should help to establish the present condition of the speakers will be attached in subsequent posts. The status of the speakers is summarized verbally as follows: The white trim could be easily removed; The originally unfinished Khorns with cane grilles are intact beneath the added façade; As the cane grilles were painted white, removing the paint from the cane is probably not feasible; All drivers appear to be operational; The owner blew both original tweeters some years ago and, rather than replace just the diaphragms, he replaced the whole units with the Klipsch units shown in the photos; Other than the replacement tweeters, everything else is original and consistent with the consecutive serial numbers; The owner states that hes reluctant to part with them, but if he could net $2,000 for the pair, he would sell them; Wes and I tried to politely suggest that $2,000 might be a bit more than the market value for customized Khorns of this vintage, even when they worked perfectly; We advised him that we would share this information with Forum members who might be interested in these speakers for local pickup; and He gave us permission to post his email address: Robert.Scott@comcast.net If youre seriously interested, please contact Bob Scott. At this time, Wes and I feel that his $2,000 asking price is probably his minimum. Perhaps he would entertain serious offers below that, if not now, in the future (hes thinking about moving). If youre not seriously interested, PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT HIM TO SHARE YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF THE SPEAKERS. Theyve looked like that as long as he can remember. His father and mother paid to have them customized so that they would blend in with the rest of the décor. To insult their appearance is to insult his parents taste. The foregoing, including the photos, essentially reflects everything I know about the speakers. Nevertheless, feel free to contact me at nkdisney@comcast.net if you have questions that are not answered herein. Wes, it was a pleasure meeting you and sharing the experience. I trust that youll share any of your impressions that differ from those expressed above.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

This was a test. Had it been a real post, you would have been instructed to tune to .... Actually, it was just an experiment inserting photos directly into a post using one of my own ancient threads. Please disregard this recent post and let the thread again die a natural death, unless of course you have directions for a simple way to paste photos directly into a post.

Dr Bill- <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I understand your frustration with FM and the garbage on the airwaves. In that context, I now feel that I understand your prior comment that the differences between SS and tubes for tuners might not be significant. Apparently, it was the medium, rather than the hardware, that minimalized the relative merits of SS vs. tube tuners. Despite your comments, I acquired a Dyna FM3 to supplement my Dynaco FM5. I also keep an H/K 430 receiver to use when my tube gear is undergoing repair and/or upgrades. But I agree, other than replacing fuses or possibly pots, I would not attempt to repair the H/K 430. Sadly, it would be easier and less expensive to buy another one. Im fortunate enough to be able to pull WDET (NPR in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = u1 />Detroit) and the CBC (Windsor, Ontario, Canada) out of the air. Each has an eclectic playlist and a quality signal. Ed Loves Destination Jazz airs on WDET weekdays from 7:00 PM 10:00 PM (EDT). WDET plays everything from Symphonic, Blues, and Blue Grass to Techno, at various times. The CBC plays mostly classical and some jazz. I often listen to jazz on After Hours on CBC radio 2 from 10:00 PM Midnight (EDT). Theyre also both available online: WDET: http://www.wdetfm.org/listenlive/ and CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html. Given your recent criticism of SS gear, I dont feel so bad about getting the FM3, even after you seemed to say not to bother. The FM3 is bone stock. What modifications would you recommend? Are the upgrades available below worth the cost and effort? Dynaco FM3 Tube Tuner Capacitor Board - FM-3 FM 3 Dynaco FM3 Tube Tuner Sonic Upgrade Kit FM-3 FM 3 Alternatively, do you have other suggestionsnot including dont bother? Feel free to reply through the Forum or to send an email to nkdisney@comcast.net, or to ignore this totally. My suspicion is that others on the Forum would also appreciate and benefit from your experience and opinions. Regards,

DrB- What about SS tuners. Are they still allowed on your bench? I seem to recall that you once indicated that the benefits of tubes vs. SS were less obvious with tuners.

Very cool. Danke Schoen

The seller just emailed me to let me know that 2Pm Sunday 6/5 is fine for an audition in Harper Woods. Anyone who is also interested in attending please send an email to nkdisney@comcast.net.

The seller just emailed me to let me know that the reefer madness Khorns are still available. I'm trying to schedule an audition for Sunday 6/5 in the early PM or Monday 6/6 in the early to later PM. I'll report my observations and impressions. Anyone who is also interested in attending please send an email to nkdisney@comcast.net and I'll let you know the details of the viewing/audition.

The attached photo shows the progress today. The cabinet that's vertical has the internal baffles glued in place. The one on its side has a few glued in place; most are just sitting there. These are going to be heavy and rather large. For the most part I expect to demonstrate that audio's points of diminishing returns, in terms of both cost and size, kick in rather quickly. The performances of the drivers, including the Fostex, in sealed or ported enclosures are not expected to be enough different from the rear horn enclosures to justify the complexity and mass of the enclosures. Similarly, the differences between the rear horn enclosures, at their best, and the Cornwalls is expected to be primarily below 80Hz. You can't skirt the laws of physics. I'm not attempting to suggest that the size and expense of Cornwalls or Klipschorns are not justified. On the contrary, I expect to extract high quality musical reproduction from the various driver enclosure combinations, but to ultimately prove to my satisfaction that the size and expense of Cornwalls or Klipschorns are necessary to get the most from recordings. In other words, Im just fooling around with speakers and stuff.