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---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/8/2005 1:38:06 PM 3dzapper wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> "Here in a nutshell is the reason. ... Maybe at some point the sample rate will get to a point where all the music is there and the device does not have to fill in the gaps with it's sometimes faulty logic." ---------------- Now this is just the type of input I hoped this thread would generate. It seems, Rick, that you're saying that an analog cartridge traces a groove and generates an infinite number of varying electrical impulses that duplicate the original, in the example a Sine Wave, but the finite sampling rate of digital truncates the Sine Wave. Do I understand it correctly? If not, where have I gone astray? If so, is an increased sampling rate the answer? Your post seems to an offer objective explanation for subjective differences.

Thought not. That settles it; no more typing while wearing mittens. Thanks.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/8/2005 11:11:55 AM Parrot wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> You're certainly right that criminals don't think *they're* going to get caught. ---------------- My experience with the criminal justice system in Michigan confirmed the foregoing. Defendants were eager to plead guilty to serious felonies with potential sentences up to and including life in prison, to avoid the certainty of two years in prison if convicted of using a firearm in the course of committing a felony. Criminals do not think, Hmm 10 years, I could deal with that as opposed to Man 40 years thats way too risky. Criminals are not that logical or forward thinking. The swift certainty of two years, or even 6 weeks, of incarceration has a far greater impact than the mere possibility of decades of imprisonment. The knee jerk response of politicians to impose harsher theoretical penalties, instead of swift and certain real penalties does not deter crime. What would have a greater impact on a teenager, the threat of being grounded for life or the certainty that the car was absolutely unavailable for a month?

The subject line of the Bass Test post contains a typo. If there's a way to correct such an error, please share it.

I ran across this "Silicon Sound System" bass test somewhere and find it interesting. It goes from 360 Hz – 10 Hz in 10 Hz steps. It’s an MP3 file, 1.8 MB in size and just under two minutes long The file is too large to work as an attachment in the Forum. If you’re interested, send a PM and I’ll attempt to send the file to you via e-mail.

I agree that Pit Bulls along with Rottweilers, Mastiffs and some others are more prone to sudden and apparently unprovoked violent attacks. Nevertheless, Ive experienced examples of each of the breeds that seemed fine, but I would not leave them unsupervised with a child.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I like dogs and grew up around dogs. But, recent experiences suggest thats its unwise to leave ANY dog and small child together without immediate adult supervision. My wife still criticizes me for not being cautious enough around strange dogs. In my prior professional life I had need to be involved, after the fact, in many incidents of dog bites. Many despite adult supervision, and many preceded by, Dont worry, he doesnt bite or words to that effect. Instead, it should have been stated, He hasnt bitten anyone yet. All dogs deserve cautious respect; the problem breeds even more so. IMHO people own the problem dogs for the same reason people own bass thumping vehicular audio, to say LOOK AT ME. Not for the love of dogs or the love of music.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/8/2005 10:02:08 AM Klewless wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I love my SACDs ---------------- I confess Ive not yet experienced SACD. Ive avoided it because, Im afraid Ill like it.

DrWho-<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I think youre onto something. I now prefer the sound emanating from my Cornwalls via relatively low powered tube equipment. I have no doubt that distortion (i.e. less than high fidelity) might be, in part, responsible for the observed preference. Your guitar amp analogy and LP to CD vs. CD to LP analogy are very interesting.

I ran across this "Silicon Sound System" bass test somewhere and find it interesting. It goes from 360 Hz 10 Hz in several steps. Its an MP3 file, 1.8 MB in size and just under two minutes long <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The file is too large to work as an attachment in the Forum. If youre interested, send a PM and Ill attempt to send the file to you via e-mail.

Analog versus Digital; why isnt digital potentially superior?<1> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Is it possible to plumb the collective expertise of Forum members regarding the differences between the analog and digital recording processes to see which has the most ultimate potential? And, to do so without debating which presently sounds better or worse to individuals? This post is not: Arguing that vinyl sounds better or worse than digital; To convince vinyl lovers that theyre mistaken to always or frequently prefer vinyl over digital; or Suggesting that subjective opinions regarding the relative merits of analog versus digital are right or wrong. I understand that many here believe that certain vinyl records sound better than their digital counterparts; I have experienced the phenomenon myself. I also understand that many here believe that digital recordings generally sound better. So please dont spend too much time with anecdotal comparisons of specific subjective comparisons of vinyl to digital. What I would like to shed some light on is why digital is not inherently superior to analog? If, in theory it is superior, why isnt it superior in application? IMHO the ultimate object of the recording and playback of music is convert the mechanical energy (sound wave vibrations) of the music into electrical energy (via microphones and/or pickups) and then covert the electrical energy back to mechanical energy using a transducer (speaker) that vibrates the air to reproduce as faithfully as possible (i.e., high fidelity) the original sound. How can dragging a stylus through a modulated groove more accurately accomplish that goal than digitally converting the signal into a theoretically infinite number of ones and zeros to capture each subtle nuance? It seems to me that, done properly, digital should surpass analog for the purposes of high fidelity. Never mind the associated problems of dust, scratches, record wear, etc. that are attendant with the vinyl medium. With each at their best, why isnt digital superior to analog? Part of the problem seems to be that the audio hobby is not conducted in a scientific manner. Good scientific experimentation requires that only a single variable be changed at a time. This is not how we form subjective opinions regarding things audio. I believe almost everyone would agree that some vinyl recordings are excellent and some digital recordings are abysmal, and vice versa. But is this a valid comparison of the inherent potential of the two media, or a comparison of good recordings by the artists and producers versus bad recordings? In a perfect world, it seems that we should be able to preserve the best recordings (whether analog or digital) as a stream of ones and zeros to be later transformed back into mechanical energy in true high fidelity. We seem to be far from that point. Am I all wet, or is this a matter of the market not demanding that mass produced recordings on digital media be produced with the same attention to detail and quality that were evident in the past, when vinyl was the only source of high fidelity? <1> As background, after years of using SS amps to power inefficient LS3/5a speakers, I now prefer tube (analog) power and efficient Cornwalls for listening to music. Nevertheless, I have heard some digital amps that sound quite good. Before I returned to Klipsch, I sold my modified AR turntable with SME III tonearm and most of my vinyl, which I now feel was a mistake. My current music sources are FM (NPR and CBC) and CD.

---------------- On 5/2/2005 7:24:25 PM dodger wrote: If I may ask a favor, I do not know how to adjust / change the size of the text as you do. At your comfort would you send instructions to me? -------------- Dodger, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Ill explain how to manipulate fonts and more over the weekend via PM.

They look like vintage Heresy, not the newer IIs, to me.

Vinyl? Whats wrong with wax or that new stuff, shellac?

Please, lets all try to avoid personal attacks, such as comments regarding spelling, hygiene or prostheses. Instead, please freely share your opinions about the pros and cons of SET versus PP, other topologies or other topics. Dont forget, some people actually mix SET and/or PP with SS and the Earth keeps spinning. Granted, it would be easier to read and understand some posts if Forum members consistently demonstrated an understanding of the differences between: are (verb) our (plural possessive pronoun); to (as in, to the store) too (a synonym for also); accept (to receive something) except (with the exclusion of); there (preposition) -- their (plural possessive pronoun); your (possessive pronoun) youre (contraction of you are); and infer (to conclude from evidence or premises*) imply (to express or indicate directly*)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Notwithstanding the above frequent deviations from Standard English, its generally possible to decipher the meanings, irrespective of the creative misspelling, unconventional grammar and fractured syntax too often employed. While the ability to write and spell well makes it easier to express ones opinions, it in no way makes those opinions about audio, music or anything else more valuable than those held and expressed by others who couldnt spell correctly at gunpoint. There is absolutely no correlation between the ability to spell and/or write and intelligence generally or expertise in electronics or audio specifically. If I need expert advice or service on audio gear, Ill choose a source based on criteria that do not include the ability to spell or write well. Civility and courtesy, on the other hand, should always be important. Its my preference to surround myself, and do business with, people who do not feel threatened by differing opinions, and, therefore, are not compelled to personally attack the perceived threats. Its perfectly fine to hold the opinion that the other person is an idiot, a liar, unethical or bothers sheep, but the purposes of this Forum are not advanced by sharing such opinions publicly; send a PM if you must. The free exchange of opinions should provoke spirited discussions without rancor. Criticize the music, the circuit topology, the speaker (as in transducer), etc. without criticizing the proponent of what you dislike. For example, in another thread I jokingly implied a dislike for rap music when I said: I confess. Ive been listening to a lot of rap music lately.mostly at intersections. From that line (stolen from an unrecalled comedian), it could be reasonably and correctly inferred that I am not a fan of rap music. It was not a personal attack upon rap musicians or fans. It did prompt a response about old farts who listen to only jazz or classical. While not a particularly clever retort, it was at least civil; it was not taken by me as a personal attack on me or everyone else that dislikes rap music. Its merely my opinion, but I cant help but think less of individuals who publicly and repeatedly personally attack other Forum members, even if I agree with them that the object of their vitriolic tirades is an idiot, unethical or worse. NOTHING that we might hope to accomplish here is advanced by such sniping, no matter how accurate or obvious. If I occasionally fail to live up to the standards expressed abovewhich is not beyond beliefplease feel free to call me to task. I will try to accept disagreement and criticism with grace and without expressing my opinions about any correlation between your IQ and your tooth count, or to suggest that you slithered from the shallow end of the gene pool. While such comments can be humorous in the abstract, they can offend when individuals feel that they are directed at them. Which reminds me, DONT BE SO THIN SKINNED. Dont be so egotistical as to assume that every insult is directed at you. Try to ignore attempted insults. Try to avoid retaliating with similarly low behavior. Perhaps we should take a cue from A. Lincoln. It was his practice to write extremely critical letters to his generals, in which he strongly pointed out their failures (of which there were many). But, he did not post them immediately, if ever. He would wait a day or two and not mail the letter at all or temper the criticism before posting it. We could vent our spleens in a Word document and save it for at least 24 hours. Then, upon further reflection, it could be self-edited to remove any personal criticisms while retaining the substance of our valid opinions. This would also give us an opportunity to check the spelling and grammar. I think Mark Twain said something like, Better to remain silent and risk being thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Too many here have removed all doubt about their incivility and lack of common courtesy, through their foolish behavior. And yes, this was roughed out yesterday in a Word document, and edited today before being pasted into the Forum *American Heritage Dictionary

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You Canadians always stick together. Eh? Next it'll be Anne Murray that we should like. Ok, I'll risk Dean's wrath. I agree with you about the Live in Paris CD.

Got to run. I think I hear my mom calling me. I say think because I can barely hear her. She must be using that SET bull horn again.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> But, before I leave, let it be known that I use and appreciate both SET and PP. I use the SET to appreciate hi-fi and the PP to heat my house.* * None of the foregoing is true, for a moment I mistakenly assumed that I was Mitch Albom and that the truth didnt matter.

---------------- On 5/1/2005 5:26:43 PM TBrennan wrote: " ... he is not a disinterested party.---------------- Disinterested parties can be boring, but interested parties should try to remain civil and open-minded.

Kev ---------------- On 5/1/2005 5:21:14 PM kev313 wrote: I really can't be any more clear. ---------------- No use trying, again no appropriate face.

If this is the symbol to denote sarcasm ,what's the symbol for understatement?

Kev313 well put, until you had to go and disrespect AC/DC.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/1/2005 4:38:52 PM kev313 wrote: ACDC . I think they suck at ANY level. My opinion, of course. ---------------- Some who have at any time expressed a fondness for AC/DC (I take the Fifth) will feel that you have slandered their very DNA by having the temerity to share your candid opinion about that band.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/1/2005 2:41:41 PM TBrennan wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Hmmmm, a new player and an erudite and well spoken one at that. ---------------- Agreed. Nevertheless, whether polysyllabic and well spoken or barely literate, it doesnt bode well around here to be arrogant or thin skinned. Some here seem to feel that every comment is meant as a personal attack. Civility and open-mindedness, tempered with a bit of humor, facilitate the discourse and exchange of opinions, which after all is what they are, merely opinions. Everyone is free to embrace or reject the opinions of others.

I'll wager that the voice coil is now improperly aligned; perhaps to the point of contacting the pole piece. In any case, I too would replace that driver.

Yo Ian- Those who live in a glass should not throw stones in this manner.

---------------- On <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />5/1/2005 10:37:04 AM khornn wrote: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I should start off on the proper foot ---------------- Apparently, you decided against that. ---------------- On 5/1/2005 10:37:04 AM khornn also wrote: "You may now resume your chortling and back slapping. ---------------- At least were slapping each others backs, and not breaking our arms patting ourselves on the back. ---------------- On 5/1/2005 10:37:04 AM khornn also wrote: I hope my use of punctuation has not offended the more unstable amongst you. If your neighbors dog starts giving off about hunting me down, please seek professional help. -Ian ---------------- Were not offended by improper punctuation. We don't mind that you improperly punctuated the second sentence above. Were more interested in the substance of the comment than the style.